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Funny stuff. I used to go to Old Bethpage atleast once a year for field trips in grade school and stuff, and even went a few times on my own accord. It's pretty fun. I actually smoked pot in one of the houses they have there, but that wouldn't really be funny to anyone who has never been there.
About Conan hosting the tonight show... I'm a big fan of his, but I really don't think it's going to work out too well. The older folks who watch the leno show, and who will still be around in 3 years are not going to be in to his brand of humor. He's going to have to drastically tone down the zaniness of his show... become more professional about it. And a toned down Conan isn't far from Letterman imo, and the larger amount of people who watch Leno aren't going to be into that. I predict he'll do well in the first few months, than not so much for a year or two, and eventually find his niche as the host of the most important late night show ever.
Though, it's hardly time to be making predictions on how he'll do, considering how far off it is.
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washmykev wrote:
Funny stuff. I used to go to Old Bethpage atleast once a year for field trips in grade school and stuff, and even went a few times on my own accord. It's pretty fun. I actually smoked pot in one of the houses they have there, but that wouldn't really be funny to anyone who has never been there.
About Conan hosting the tonight show... I'm a big fan of his, but I really don't think it's going to work out too well. The older folks who watch the leno show, and who will still be around in 3 years are not going to be in to his brand of humor. He's going to have to drastically tone down the zaniness of his show... become more professional about it. And a toned down Conan isn't far from Letterman imo, and the larger amount of people who watch Leno aren't going to be into that. I predict he'll do well in the first few months, than not so much for a year or two, and eventually find his niche as the host of the most important late night show ever.
Though, it's hardly time to be making predictions on how he'll do, considering how far off it is.
I'm afraid you might be right about that, but I honestly hope he doesn't change a thing. I would rather him stay where he is than see NBC try to make him be just like Jay. I also agree that if he and NBC can get over the initial backlash from the older crowd and let it ride then they will be very successful.
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conoalias wrote:
they should just cancel the tonight show put conan in tonight show slot and then have conan do an encore in his old slot.
He may be beyond shitty now, but I respect Leno. He's paid his dues, and he's still funnier than SNL these days. Which means he gets a laugh out of me about once a year.
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washmykev wrote:
About Conan hosting the tonight show... I'm a big fan of his, but I really don't think it's going to work out too well. The older folks who watch the leno show, and who will still be around in 3 years are not going to be in to his brand of humor. He's going to have to drastically tone down the zaniness of his show... become more professional about it. And a toned down Conan isn't far from Letterman imo, and the larger amount of people who watch Leno aren't going to be into that. I predict he'll do well in the first few months, than not so much for a year or two, and eventually find his niche as the host of the most important late night show ever.
Though, it's hardly time to be making predictions on how he'll do, considering how far off it is.
AVC: Do you think you'll be able to do the same show an hour earlier?
COB: I don't know. I look at our show sometimes, and I don't know what the appropriate time for it is. I don't necessarily think it's 12:30. Sometimes I think it's a children's show. You can run huge portions of my show on Nickelodeon. We have everything but green slime coming down on the guests. So I don't know. I honestly think yes. I've done my share of things in prime time, I've done my share of things earlier in the evening, and you still find the way to do your sense of humor or execute your sensibility in front of a slightly different audience. You're always adjusting to what that specific situation is. If you're hosting the Emmys, you adjust a little. If you're doing a week of shows in a 4,000-seat theatre in Chicago, you make certain adjustments, but still, it's basically you. I have to feel it's the same thing at 11:30. Will the Masturbating Bear still be there? Who can say?
AVC: The best parts of your show tend to be the weird bits.
COB: There's no way my show is going to stop being weird. There will always be an inherent weirdness to anything I'm a part of. Any party I attend, or any family function, I bring a certain weirdness with me that's in my DNA.
AVC: Do you wonder how the archetypal Tonight Show viewer—who's probably a 55-year-old woman in Dubuque, Iowa—will respond to the Walker: Texas Ranger clips, or the screaming raccoon in the jetpack? Are you worried it'll be like The Dana Carvey Show, where you'll be in this very mainstream context, doing this off-the-wall bizarre stuff?
COB: One hope would be that the people who've been watching me for 13 years might come along for that 11:30 ride. It's not like I'm saying goodbye to fans of Late Night. We have a lot of people who have literally grown up with my show. And they tell me it's hard for them to see it now unless they buy TiVo. They started watching it in high school or college, but now they have jobs or a kid, and they aren't up at 12:30. But they have fond memories of the show, and they really want to see it. So I think maybe that's a good time for me to move. There's some hope, clearly, that some of the Conan people will come with me. It won't be a complete introduction to a swath of the country that has me confused with Donny Most from Happy Days.
AVC: Do you see your audience as similar to Jay Leno's?
COB: There's a temptation to overthink the whole thing. I've had a Field Of Dreams philosophy to this: If you build it, they will come. I still have no idea. I don't look at research. I don't look at who's watching, or when they're watching. I've never been interested in any of that. I'm interested in doing what I think is funny. For the last 13 years, that seems to have worked for me. If I go to 11:30 and do what I think is funny, and someone comes and tells me it isn't getting enough people in the tent, I'd say, "Well, that's all I can do." If I'm looking at spreadsheets and time-lapse studies of viewing patterns, I think I'm wasting my time. What I should be worried about the first night I host The Tonight Show is, "How can I make this a funny show?" The second night, "All right, let's make another funny show doing some different stuff." You do it one show at a time. And if you're lucky, eight years later, you've alienated a nation.
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About Conan hosting the tonight show... I'm a big fan of his, but I really don't think it's going to work out too well. The older folks who watch the leno show, and who will still be around in 3 years are not going to be in to his brand of humor. He's going to have to drastically tone down the zaniness of his show... become more professional about it. And a toned down Conan isn't far from Letterman imo, and the larger amount of people who watch Leno aren't going to be into that. I predict he'll do well in the first few months, than not so much for a year or two, and eventually find his niche as the host of the most important late night show ever.
Though, it's hardly time to be making predictions on how he'll do, considering how far off it is.
AVC: Do you think you'll be able to do the same show an hour earlier?
COB: I don't know. I look at our show sometimes, and I don't know what the appropriate time for it is. I don't necessarily think it's 12:30. Sometimes I think it's a children's show. You can run huge portions of my show on Nickelodeon. We have everything but green slime coming down on the guests. So I don't know. I honestly think yes. I've done my share of things in prime time, I've done my share of things earlier in the evening, and you still find the way to do your sense of humor or execute your sensibility in front of a slightly different audience. You're always adjusting to what that specific situation is. If you're hosting the Emmys, you adjust a little. If you're doing a week of shows in a 4,000-seat theatre in Chicago, you make certain adjustments, but still, it's basically you. I have to feel it's the same thing at 11:30. Will the Masturbating Bear still be there? Who can say?
AVC: The best parts of your show tend to be the weird bits.
COB: There's no way my show is going to stop being weird. There will always be an inherent weirdness to anything I'm a part of. Any party I attend, or any family function, I bring a certain weirdness with me that's in my DNA.
AVC: Do you wonder how the archetypal Tonight Show viewer—who's probably a 55-year-old woman in Dubuque, Iowa—will respond to the Walker: Texas Ranger clips, or the screaming raccoon in the jetpack? Are you worried it'll be like The Dana Carvey Show, where you'll be in this very mainstream context, doing this off-the-wall bizarre stuff?
COB: One hope would be that the people who've been watching me for 13 years might come along for that 11:30 ride. It's not like I'm saying goodbye to fans of Late Night. We have a lot of people who have literally grown up with my show. And they tell me it's hard for them to see it now unless they buy TiVo. They started watching it in high school or college, but now they have jobs or a kid, and they aren't up at 12:30. But they have fond memories of the show, and they really want to see it. So I think maybe that's a good time for me to move. There's some hope, clearly, that some of the Conan people will come with me. It won't be a complete introduction to a swath of the country that has me confused with Donny Most from Happy Days.
AVC: Do you see your audience as similar to Jay Leno's?
COB: There's a temptation to overthink the whole thing. I've had a Field Of Dreams philosophy to this: If you build it, they will come. I still have no idea. I don't look at research. I don't look at who's watching, or when they're watching. I've never been interested in any of that. I'm interested in doing what I think is funny. For the last 13 years, that seems to have worked for me. If I go to 11:30 and do what I think is funny, and someone comes and tells me it isn't getting enough people in the tent, I'd say, "Well, that's all I can do." If I'm looking at spreadsheets and time-lapse studies of viewing patterns, I think I'm wasting my time. What I should be worried about the first night I host The Tonight Show is, "How can I make this a funny show?" The second night, "All right, let's make another funny show doing some different stuff." You do it one show at a time. And if you're lucky, eight years later, you've alienated a nation.
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For the last 13 years, that seems to have worked for me. If I go to 11:30 and do what I think is funny, and someone comes and tells me it isn't getting enough people in the tent, I'd say, "Well, that's all I can do." If I'm looking at spreadsheets and time-lapse studies of viewing patterns, I think I'm wasting my time. What I should be worried about the first night I host The Tonight Show is, "How can I make this a funny show?" The second night, "All right, let's make another funny show doing some different stuff." You do it one show at a time. And if you're lucky, eight years later, you've alienated a nation.
That was exactly what I wanted to hear.
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Conan has to be the funniest person on TV these days. Although I agree that the older Leno/Letterman audience will not get his humour as much as the 18-30 yearl old target audience Conan has I don't think he should change his act. He's funny for a reason, because he's zany and weird, you can't take that away.
Humour evolves, do you think our grandparents got Letterman humour when he first came out? They probably thought he was a jackass! I've been a huge Conan fan for years and the only thing that has made me laugh out loud when I'm by myself is his show. I can't wait till 2009 so that more people will get to know this lovable man.
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washmykev wrote:
conoalias wrote:
they should just cancel the tonight show put conan in tonight show slot and then have conan do an encore in his old slot.
He may be beyond shitty now, but I respect Leno. He's paid his dues, and he's still funnier than SNL these days. Which means he gets a laugh out of me about once a year.
Respect for Leno? I guess you didn't read about how ole Leno fucked over Letterman in his pursuit of the Tonight Show.
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jwfocker wrote:
washmykev wrote:
conoalias wrote:
they should just cancel the tonight show put conan in tonight show slot and then have conan do an encore in his old slot.
He may be beyond shitty now, but I respect Leno. He's paid his dues, and he's still funnier than SNL these days. Which means he gets a laugh out of me about once a year.
Respect for Leno? I guess you didn't read about how ole Leno fucked over Letterman in his pursuit of the Tonight Show.
I know all about it. But it's a cutthroat business, and Letterman won out in the end. He is much more respected, I think, than Leno... even if he doesn't have the Tonight show.
NBC entertainment co-chair Marc Graboff says Conan O’Brien is still set to replace Jay Leno as “Tonight Show” host in two years. Jimmy Fallon, I know from listening to the Howard Stern Show, is contracted to replace O’Brien on "Late Night" at that point. NBC hopes to keep Leno from defecting to ABC or Fox with a role in primetime maybe.
Between Conan's steadily-decreasing funniness, and Jimmy Fallon being an assface, I'll be sure to continue avoiding NBC.
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