Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:19 pm Posts: 39068 Location: Chapel Hill, NC, USA Gender: Male
Y'know, I support public health initiatives. I'm even a big supporter taxes on junk foods. But you can't outright ban something as delicious as trans fat.
NYC trans fat ban is latest volley in fight over food safety By Associated Press Monday, October 2, 2006 - Updated: 04:55 AM EST
NEW YORK - A city plan to ban restaurants from selling meals containing an unhealthy artificial fat could open a new front in a national fight over the safety of America’s food supply, legal experts said.
In recent years, states and a few cities interested in ridding kitchens of suspected toxins have become increasingly bold about mandating warning labels about potential hazards like lead in candy, mercury in fish or pesticides in vegetables.
Some of those measures have prompted fierce opposition from the food industry and members of Congress who say the states are exceeding their authority.
Experts said New York City would take the boldest step yet if its Board of Health approves a proposal to ban restaurants from preparing foods containing more than trace amounts of artificial trans fatty acids.
Announced Tuesday, the ban on trans fats would bar chefs at thousands of restaurants from using partially hydrogenated vegetable oil, an indisputably unhealthy ingredient, but one that has been in some types of shortening and frying oil for decades.
Doctors don’t like trans fat because of the havoc it wreaks with human cholesterol levels and some studies have blamed it for an epidemic of heart disease deaths.
Yet, federal regulation has been light and public health law experts said they were stunned that New York would ban a substance the Food and Drug Administration only began listing on food labels this year.
Lawrence O. Gostin, an associate dean at Georgetown University’s law school and director of the Center for Law and the Public’s Health, called the city’s action "breathtaking.
He said it is sure to prompt a lawsuit challenging the city’s authority to enact such a measure. Big fast food companies that use artificial trans fats to prepare french fries, muffins and doughnuts might also sue over the potential impact of the rules on interstate commerce, he said.
"Certainly if there is a local deli in New York that is regulated by the local health department, it is clearly for the city to decide what is safe and what isn’t," Gostin said, "But if you’re talking about large chains like McDonald’s or Burger King ... then there are powerful questions of federalism at stake."
"On the other hand," he added. "When the federal government refuses to act or neglects to act in the face of a major health crisis, then sometimes you need cities and states to step in to the vacuum and protect the public. And this might be one of those cases."
Anthony M. DiLeo, a professor of health care law at Tulane Law School who also teaches at Tulane Medical School, said public health agencies have a well-established right to ban items that are inherently dangerous, like spoiled food or lead in paint.
But the limits of a city’s authority when it comes to something like trans fat are less clear, he said.
"You get to something here that is not a bacteria, it is not a virus, it is not an immediate danger ... One meal containing a trans-fat is not dangerous, per se," DiLeo said. "If you have the authority to ban that, you would have to assume you have the authority to ban all sorts of things that, in small amounts, can’t be harmful, but in large amounts could be."
The commissioner of New York City’s Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, Thomas Frieden, said he is confident the ban could survive any legal challenge.
The Supreme Court has held that health departments have the authority to prohibit the sale of foods that are impure, unfit for use or which spread disease _ and Frieden said there is ample evidence indicating that artificial trans fats cause heart disease.
The substance, invented as a substitute for natural animal fats like butter or lard, has more in common with cancer-causing agents, Frieden said, than with other foodstuffs that can be unhealthy if consumed in gluttonous amounts, like saturated fats or salt.
"If these were cancer deaths, people would react very differently," Frieden said.
Members of the public may weigh in on the proposed ban over the next few months. It is not expected to come before the Board of Health for a vote until at least December.
Yet to be seen is whether the proposal will attract the attention of Congress, which has frowned lately on attempts by the states to aggressively regulate food safety.
One bill, passed in the House and now under consideration in the Senate, would prevent states from requiring food labels tougher than those already approved by the federal government.
The National Uniformity of Food Act has been most strongly opposed in California, which has moved to require warning labels on a list of commonly consumed foods, but Frieden has also been an outspoken critic.
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I only wish this were a joke. Banning the public consumption but not the private consumption makes no sense. With smoking you can at least make the case that 2nd hand smoke poses health hazards.
I've never heard of 2nd trans fat issues. There is no health impact on those choosing not to intake trans fats, so why outlaw it only in public?
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 2:47 pm Posts: 13660 Location: Long Island Gender: Male
This is bullshit. These fat fucks ruin it for everybody else. Put the fork down and exercise you fat assholes. Us normal sized humans are sick of all this "non-fat" shit. I can't even find regular milk anymore! Fat FUCKS! I HATE YOU!
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Clubber wrote:
This is bullshit. These fat fucks ruin it for everybody else. Put the fork down and exercise you fat assholes. Us normal sized humans are sick of all this "non-fat" shit. I can't even find regular milk anymore! Fat FUCKS! I HATE YOU!
One note: trans fat is more damaging to your arteries than it is to your weight. It's bad for people of any weight.
This is bullshit. These fat fucks ruin it for everybody else. Put the fork down and exercise you fat assholes. Us normal sized humans are sick of all this "non-fat" shit. I can't even find regular milk anymore! Fat FUCKS! I HATE YOU!
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Green Habit wrote:
Clubber wrote:
This is bullshit. These fat fucks ruin it for everybody else. Put the fork down and exercise you fat assholes. Us normal sized humans are sick of all this "non-fat" shit. I can't even find regular milk anymore! Fat FUCKS! I HATE YOU!
One note: trans fat is more damaging to your arteries than it is to your weight. It's bad for people of any weight.
Oh yes, and this law is utterly stupid.
ok, but my rant would have relevence is some other thread
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Clubber wrote:
This is bullshit. These fat fucks ruin it for everybody else. Put the fork down and exercise you fat assholes. Us normal sized humans are sick of all this "non-fat" shit. I can't even find regular milk anymore! Fat FUCKS! I HATE YOU!
Word.
And that goes for anyone in this country who can't speak English, too.
Joined: Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:09 pm Posts: 10839 Location: metro west, mass Gender: Male
I agree with Clubber. If people want to consume transfat, fuckin let them. It's not going to affect the person sitting next to you.
Billions and billions of dollars are being spent marketing a healthier America when most of the shit is just plain common fucking sense. Food pyramid? Yeah nobody talks of that anymore.
Weigh loss pills? Yeah people buy that shit, and it only contributes to a stupider America.
Next thing you know, sodas will be banned...
fuck it man. EVERY FUCKING ITEM IN THE SUPERMARKET WILL SOON BE LABELED NONFAT, LOW CARB, ONLY 100 CALORIES PER SERVING, BULLSHIT BULLSHIT. These serving sizes are tiny, and people will just consume 10x the amount to even it out. Meanwhile, the cover of People magazine shows disgustingly anorexic celebs and their eating habits.
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Bammer wrote:
Clubber wrote:
This is bullshit. These fat fucks ruin it for everybody else. Put the fork down and exercise you fat assholes. Us normal sized humans are sick of all this "non-fat" shit. I can't even find regular milk anymore! Fat FUCKS! I HATE YOU!
Word.
And that goes for anyone in this country who can't speak English, too.
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:19 pm Posts: 39068 Location: Chapel Hill, NC, USA Gender: Male
Sunny wrote:
It's not going to affect the person sitting next to you.
Except for the public health cost as the population starts dropping dead at 30 from heart attacks.
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It's not going to affect the person sitting next to you.
Except for the public health cost as the population starts dropping dead at 30 from heart attacks.
Then let's ban homosexuality. That aids disease is a bummer on the bottom of public health care costs. I'd also say let's ban prostitution and street drugs taken by needle but those are already illegal.
If we expect the government to stay out of our bedrooms, surely asking themto stay out of the kitchen isn't too much to ask for.
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tyler wrote:
B wrote:
Sunny wrote:
It's not going to affect the person sitting next to you.
Except for the public health cost as the population starts dropping dead at 30 from heart attacks.
Then let's ban homosexuality. That aids disease is a bummer on the bottom of public health care costs. I'd also say let's ban prostitution and street drugs taken by needle but those are already illegal.
If we expect the government to stay out of our bedrooms, surely asking themto stay out of the kitchen isn't too much to ask for.
I already stated that I didn't think banning was the correct way to address it, but one shouldn't dismiss it as a harmless issue.
And for the record, the homosexual population did an excellent job of addressing AIDS, that's why transmission is decreasing among gays and increasing among straights. So, you should probably advocate banning heterosexual sex.
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Joined: Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:15 am Posts: 515 Location: San Jose, CA
i agree with everyone that this is a stupid idea, but i think the focus of the problem is with information. it's only until recently that i'm seeing trans fats labeled on some packages of foods, and i don't know anyone who goes to a restaurant and asks how much trans fat there are in particular dishes.
Trans fat is definitely a problem, but simply banning it is no answer
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Joined: Thu Sep 08, 2005 12:10 am Posts: 662 Location: Arvada, CO Gender: Male
What about looking at this law from the position of the fat merchants? New York is saying, "Hey, you can't just make and sell strange chemicals in food anymore." I really don't see why someone would lament the loss of trans fat. Honestly--why would anybody?
I know, we're talking about precedents--like what if high-fructose corn syrup is next on the chopping block. It's a slippery slope...
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Joined: Mon Oct 18, 2004 1:03 am Posts: 24177 Location: Australia
pjam81373 wrote:
B wrote:
Sunny wrote:
It's not going to affect the person sitting next to you.
Except for the public health cost as the population starts dropping dead at 30 from heart attacks.
If I die tomorrow regardless of the cause what would be the public health cost? The only thing I can think of is lost tax revenue. What else is there?
the burden on the health care system/welfare for when you get too ill to work and need to be supported?
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Peeps wrote:
vacatetheword wrote:
pjam81373 wrote:
B wrote:
Sunny wrote:
It's not going to affect the person sitting next to you.
Except for the public health cost as the population starts dropping dead at 30 from heart attacks.
If I die tomorrow regardless of the cause what would be the public health cost? The only thing I can think of is lost tax revenue. What else is there?
the burden on the health care system/welfare for when you get too ill to work and need to be supported?
if he dies, whats he going to need to be supported for?
and i have news for you, alot of us fatties pay for health insurance, so its not like we get free rides you fucking tards
jumbo sized coffin?
seriously, that's exactly why i said "for when you get too ill" and not for "for when you die".
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