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If you're from MA, who ya votin for the gubernator?

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 Post subject: Re: Massachusetts
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If you're from MA, who ya votin for the gubernator?


i think i'm going with chris gabrielli.

he is a business man, like romney, and i think that mass has benefitted from that style of leadership. i also think that mass is used to that style of leadership, and i think gabrielli has the best chance of capturing moderate republican vote and a win in november.

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If you're from MA, who ya votin for the gubernator?


i think i'm going with chris gabrielli.

he is a business man, like romney, and i think that mass has benefitted from that style of leadership. i also think that mass is used to that style of leadership, and i think gabrielli has the best chance of capturing moderate republican vote and a win in november.


I'm also going Gabrielli. A poll I saw in the paper said he was the only one who'd stand a chance against Healey. I also heard he'll compleletely restructure the big dig/mass turnpike authority. Actually hire engineers for this work and not just political appointees.

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If you're from MA, who ya votin for the gubernator?


i think i'm going with chris gabrielli.

he is a business man, like romney, and i think that mass has benefitted from that style of leadership. i also think that mass is used to that style of leadership, and i think gabrielli has the best chance of capturing moderate republican vote and a win in november.


I'm also going Gabrielli. A poll I saw in the paper said he was the only one who'd stand a chance against Healey. I also heard he'll compleletely restructure the big dig/mass turnpike authority. Actually hire engineers for this work and not just political appointees.


my husband is republican and he may vote for gabrielli in nov, too. there is just not a whole lot od substance to healy...and that is romney's fault. he never let her do anything.

i wonder what leninflux thinks? you out there dude?

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 Post subject: Re: Massachusetts
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If you're from MA, who ya votin for the gubernator?


i think i'm going with chris gabrielli.

he is a business man, like romney, and i think that mass has benefitted from that style of leadership. i also think that mass is used to that style of leadership, and i think gabrielli has the best chance of capturing moderate republican vote and a win in november.


I'm also going Gabrielli. A poll I saw in the paper said he was the only one who'd stand a chance against Healey. I also heard he'll compleletely restructure the big dig/mass turnpike authority. Actually hire engineers for this work and not just political appointees.


my husband is republican and he may vote for gabrielli in nov, too. there is just not a whole lot od substance to healy...and that is romney's fault. he never let her do anything.

i wonder what leninflux thinks? you out there dude?


Yup, I'm here.

I'm still undecided. The Democratic primary should be interesting....Gabrieli may have entered the race a bit too late to win, and I don't see a win as an independent if he loses. I would give my vote to him, as I don't think Healey is the best choice. There's a lot that went wrong economically the past four years and even though she was lieutenant governor she still bears responsibility. Not that I fully trust Gabrieli's promises, but I think he would do a better job with his business experience. Also, I don't think I could give my vote to Patrick if he wins today. So I guess it's Gabrieli first and Healey second.


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I guess it's Deval Patrick.

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I guess it's Deval Patrick.


Gabrieli entered the race too late and didn't have enough time to establish himself.


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I think Patrick will do well. Although I didn't vote, he won by a landslide anyway:

Patrick: 50%
Gabby: 27%
Reilly: 23%

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 Post subject: Mass governor's race
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What the hell is with this place? Deval Patrick is WAY in the lead. He's a tool! He won't actually answer one question, I don't think he knows anything about the state except that he wants to be governor. He writes letters to prisons complaining of ridiculous crap like uninflated basketballs AND he defends a pig rapist and tries to get him released saying what a great guy he is.

Do the people of Massachussetts actually think about the people they're voting for or do they just look for the (D) next to the name?

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PD, don't ever merge me. EVER.

Don't ever use the search tool.


Do you know who I am? ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Mass governor's race
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What the hell is with this place? Deval Patrick is WAY in the lead. He's a tool! He won't actually answer one question, I don't think he knows anything about the state except that he wants to be governor. He writes letters to prisons complaining of ridiculous crap like uninflated basketballs AND he defends a pig rapist and tries to get him released saying what a great guy he is.

Do the people of Massachussetts actually think about the people they're voting for or do they just look for the (D) next to the name?


Wow, you've really been following the race :arrow: I'm not going to even talk about the rapist thing, what a waste of everyones time that crock of shit was. I like his ideas for the economy the most. He wants to make Massachusetss a global player in the renewable energy sector, which is a brilliant move. The Mass. economy was crippled when the biotech sector crashed and burned in the early part of this decade. Now it is coming back, adding more jobs then any other sector in our economy. With the instituions we have and the brilliant minds that come here hopefully if we are a major player these people will decide to stay here.

He also wants to improve the permitting process for building. Currently it takes about two years of red tape before a a shovel even touches the ground. And he also advocates for smart growth, which funnels money to projects that are building residential and commerical buildings around public transportation, such as commuter rail stops.

The only thing I don't like about his posistions is his stance on illegal immigrants. He is in favor of giving them drivers licenses and also college tuition assistance. But these will never pass the legislature so I'm not concerned.

Who do you like in the race?


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 Post subject: Re: Mass governor's race
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What the hell is with this place? Deval Patrick is WAY in the lead. He's a tool! He won't actually answer one question, I don't think he knows anything about the state except that he wants to be governor. He writes letters to prisons complaining of ridiculous crap like uninflated basketballs AND he defends a pig rapist and tries to get him released saying what a great guy he is.

Do the people of Massachussetts actually think about the people they're voting for or do they just look for the (D) next to the name?


Wow, you've really been following the race :arrow: I'm not going to even talk about the rapist thing, what a waste of everyones time that crock of shit was. I like his ideas for the economy the most. He wants to make Massachusetss a global player in the renewable energy sector, which is a brilliant move. The Mass. economy was crippled when the biotech sector crashed and burned in the early part of this decade. Now it is coming back, adding more jobs then any other sector in our economy. With the instituions we have and the brilliant minds that come here hopefully if we are a major player these people will decide to stay here.

He also wants to improve the permitting process for building. Currently it takes about two years of red tape before a a shovel even touches the ground. And he also advocates for smart growth, which funnels money to projects that are building residential and commerical buildings around public transportation, such as commuter rail stops.

The only thing I don't like about his posistions is his stance on illegal immigrants. He is in favor of giving them drivers licenses and also college tuition assistance. But these will never pass the legislature so I'm not concerned.

Who do you like in the race?


Biotech crash? Well, it's back and booming as I'm sure you know. In fact, I just heard a couple of days ago that Mass is #1 in that sector, so I don't think the crippling effects are still being felt.

If he would just admit he was wrong on the rape thing I'd be ok with it but he won't. Why is that exactly?

He talks a good game, but if you really look at it, it is all talk. What has he actually said he would do other than give too much to illegals (as you mentioned) and talk about decreasing the property tax which will only help the wealthy land owners. Do you think renters will see any of that decrease?

Who do I like? I most likely would vote Mihos if I had a vote, although I think he may be cracking up judging from his last few appearances.

Deval to me is just a person spreading feel good messages with no substance behind them. I can't believe the voters are picking him. Then again, all the candidates in this (and just about every other election) suck. It's just that this guy along with the democrat government could do some real damage to the economy.

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 Post subject: Re: Mass governor's race
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What the hell is with this place? Deval Patrick is WAY in the lead. He's a tool! He won't actually answer one question, I don't think he knows anything about the state except that he wants to be governor. He writes letters to prisons complaining of ridiculous crap like uninflated basketballs AND he defends a pig rapist and tries to get him released saying what a great guy he is.

Do the people of Massachussetts actually think about the people they're voting for or do they just look for the (D) next to the name?


Wow, you've really been following the race :arrow: I'm not going to even talk about the rapist thing, what a waste of everyones time that crock of shit was. I like his ideas for the economy the most. He wants to make Massachusetss a global player in the renewable energy sector, which is a brilliant move. The Mass. economy was crippled when the biotech sector crashed and burned in the early part of this decade. Now it is coming back, adding more jobs then any other sector in our economy. With the instituions we have and the brilliant minds that come here hopefully if we are a major player these people will decide to stay here.

He also wants to improve the permitting process for building. Currently it takes about two years of red tape before a a shovel even touches the ground. And he also advocates for smart growth, which funnels money to projects that are building residential and commerical buildings around public transportation, such as commuter rail stops.

The only thing I don't like about his posistions is his stance on illegal immigrants. He is in favor of giving them drivers licenses and also college tuition assistance. But these will never pass the legislature so I'm not concerned.

Who do you like in the race?


Biotech crash? Well, it's back and booming as I'm sure you know. In fact, I just heard a couple of days ago that Mass is #1 in that sector, so I don't think the crippling effects are still being felt.

If he would just admit he was wrong on the rape thing I'd be ok with it but he won't. Why is that exactly?

He talks a good game, but if you really look at it, it is all talk. What has he actually said he would do other than give too much to illegals (as you mentioned) and talk about decreasing the property tax which will only help the wealthy land owners. Do you think renters will see any of that decrease?

Who do I like? I most likely would vote Mihos if I had a vote, although I think he may be cracking up judging from his last few appearances.

Deval to me is just a person spreading feel good messages with no substance behind them. I can't believe the voters are picking him. Then again, all the candidates in this (and just about every other election) suck. It's just that this guy along with the democrat government could do some real damage to the economy.


And Romney has done alot for the state? Just saying, I haven't been too impressed with a republican governor the last few yrs. I'm native Bostonian, living elsewhere at the moment (moving back soon though) and from a distance have seen the state go in the shitter. I like Patrick's stand on the environment, the economy and education. So, hope he wins.

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PJDoll wrote:
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What the hell is with this place? Deval Patrick is WAY in the lead. He's a tool! He won't actually answer one question, I don't think he knows anything about the state except that he wants to be governor. He writes letters to prisons complaining of ridiculous crap like uninflated basketballs AND he defends a pig rapist and tries to get him released saying what a great guy he is.

Do the people of Massachussetts actually think about the people they're voting for or do they just look for the (D) next to the name?


Wow, you've really been following the race :arrow: I'm not going to even talk about the rapist thing, what a waste of everyones time that crock of shit was. I like his ideas for the economy the most. He wants to make Massachusetss a global player in the renewable energy sector, which is a brilliant move. The Mass. economy was crippled when the biotech sector crashed and burned in the early part of this decade. Now it is coming back, adding more jobs then any other sector in our economy. With the instituions we have and the brilliant minds that come here hopefully if we are a major player these people will decide to stay here.

He also wants to improve the permitting process for building. Currently it takes about two years of red tape before a a shovel even touches the ground. And he also advocates for smart growth, which funnels money to projects that are building residential and commerical buildings around public transportation, such as commuter rail stops.

The only thing I don't like about his posistions is his stance on illegal immigrants. He is in favor of giving them drivers licenses and also college tuition assistance. But these will never pass the legislature so I'm not concerned.

Who do you like in the race?


Biotech crash? Well, it's back and booming as I'm sure you know. In fact, I just heard a couple of days ago that Mass is #1 in that sector, so I don't think the crippling effects are still being felt.

If he would just admit he was wrong on the rape thing I'd be ok with it but he won't. Why is that exactly?

He talks a good game, but if you really look at it, it is all talk. What has he actually said he would do other than give too much to illegals (as you mentioned) and talk about decreasing the property tax which will only help the wealthy land owners. Do you think renters will see any of that decrease?

Who do I like? I most likely would vote Mihos if I had a vote, although I think he may be cracking up judging from his last few appearances.

Deval to me is just a person spreading feel good messages with no substance behind them. I can't believe the voters are picking him. Then again, all the candidates in this (and just about every other election) suck. It's just that this guy along with the democrat government could do some real damage to the economy.


Did you bother reading my post? I answered almost all of your questions in it. I said the biotech field has come back and also outlined a few ideas for the economy, it's all in my post. He was defending a man who said he was innocent of rape. There was a question of race problems in this case so Patrick wasn't to sure if he did it or not based on the evidence and speaking with him. But when DNA evidence came to light he didn't defend him anymore. Am I missing something here? What does he need to apologize for?


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What the hell is with this place? Deval Patrick is WAY in the lead. He's a tool! He won't actually answer one question, I don't think he knows anything about the state except that he wants to be governor. He writes letters to prisons complaining of ridiculous crap like uninflated basketballs AND he defends a pig rapist and tries to get him released saying what a great guy he is.

Do the people of Massachussetts actually think about the people they're voting for or do they just look for the (D) next to the name?


Wow, you've really been following the race :arrow: I'm not going to even talk about the rapist thing, what a waste of everyones time that crock of shit was. I like his ideas for the economy the most. He wants to make Massachusetss a global player in the renewable energy sector, which is a brilliant move. The Mass. economy was crippled when the biotech sector crashed and burned in the early part of this decade. Now it is coming back, adding more jobs then any other sector in our economy. With the instituions we have and the brilliant minds that come here hopefully if we are a major player these people will decide to stay here.

He also wants to improve the permitting process for building. Currently it takes about two years of red tape before a a shovel even touches the ground. And he also advocates for smart growth, which funnels money to projects that are building residential and commerical buildings around public transportation, such as commuter rail stops.

The only thing I don't like about his posistions is his stance on illegal immigrants. He is in favor of giving them drivers licenses and also college tuition assistance. But these will never pass the legislature so I'm not concerned.

Who do you like in the race?


Biotech crash? Well, it's back and booming as I'm sure you know. In fact, I just heard a couple of days ago that Mass is #1 in that sector, so I don't think the crippling effects are still being felt.

If he would just admit he was wrong on the rape thing I'd be ok with it but he won't. Why is that exactly?

He talks a good game, but if you really look at it, it is all talk. What has he actually said he would do other than give too much to illegals (as you mentioned) and talk about decreasing the property tax which will only help the wealthy land owners. Do you think renters will see any of that decrease?

Who do I like? I most likely would vote Mihos if I had a vote, although I think he may be cracking up judging from his last few appearances.

Deval to me is just a person spreading feel good messages with no substance behind them. I can't believe the voters are picking him. Then again, all the candidates in this (and just about every other election) suck. It's just that this guy along with the democrat government could do some real damage to the economy.


Did you bother reading my post? I answered almost all of your questions in it. I said the biotech field has come back and also outlined a few ideas for the economy, it's all in my post. He was defending a man who said he was innocent of rape. There was a question of race problems in this case so Patrick wasn't to sure if he did it or not based on the evidence and speaking with him. But when DNA evidence came to light he didn't defend him anymore. Am I missing something here? What does he need to apologize for?


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It's just that this guy along with the democrat government could do some real damage to the economy


Please explain.


I did read your post, and yes, you stated much of what Patrick has stated. However, I haven't yet heard how he plans to obtain any of his goals. Again, a lot of feel good statements with not much substance, IMO.

The damage I speak of is Dukakis (sp?) era related. I don't know if it will happen or not and I hope it doesn't, but democrats tend to like to spend money. Lately republicans do too, but generally they don't like to spend it on the same things so having a large dem. majority in congress and a rep. governor helps keep that in check.

I'd be saying the same thing if the rep.'s held the majority in the state senate and a rep. was about to win. It's like letting kids loose in a candy store.

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I did read your post, and yes, you stated much of what Patrick has stated. However, I haven't yet heard how he plans to obtain any of his goals. Again, a lot of feel good statements with not much substance, IMO.


I don't know what you want from him. He has stated what he wants to do with specifics.


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The damage I speak of is Dukakis (sp?) era related. I don't know if it will happen or not and I hope it doesn't, but democrats tend to like to spend money. Lately republicans do too, but generally they don't like to spend it on the same things so having a large dem. majority in congress and a rep. governor helps keep that in check.

I'd be saying the same thing if the rep.'s held the majority in the state senate and a rep. was about to win. It's like letting kids loose in a candy store.



This is the same scare tactic that Healy is using. And I always ask, "What does Dukakis have to do with this race?" There is no logic in this. Can you please poin to a Patrick economic proposal that you think will be bad for the state?


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I did read your post, and yes, you stated much of what Patrick has stated. However, I haven't yet heard how he plans to obtain any of his goals. Again, a lot of feel good statements with not much substance, IMO.


I don't know what you want from him. He has stated what he wants to do with specifics.


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The damage I speak of is Dukakis (sp?) era related. I don't know if it will happen or not and I hope it doesn't, but democrats tend to like to spend money. Lately republicans do too, but generally they don't like to spend it on the same things so having a large dem. majority in congress and a rep. governor helps keep that in check.

I'd be saying the same thing if the rep.'s held the majority in the state senate and a rep. was about to win. It's like letting kids loose in a candy store.



This is the same scare tactic that Healy is using. And I always ask, "What does Dukakis have to do with this race?" There is no logic in this. Can you please poin to a Patrick economic proposal that you think will be bad for the state?


I have yet to here specifics. If they're there, great, but most writers aren't writing them.

Dukakis doesn't have anything to do with this. I was just using that as an example of a one party system, probably because it has been brought up. AND I did say that the same thing could happen regardless of the party.

Bad economic proposals? Reducing property taxes. Not only will it not benefit the poor (since they tend to rent) but it will raise property prices since a factor in the price is property tax. This will make it even more difficult for the poor to purchase a new home. Another would be his stance on illegals (which you mentioned). In-state tuition? That's bad since most illegals work under the table and don't pay taxes. I know, you said it probably won't pass, and it probably won't, but it is his proposal.

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Bad economic proposals? Reducing property taxes. Not only will it not benefit the poor (since they tend to rent) but it will raise property prices since a factor in the price is property tax. This will make it even more difficult for the poor to purchase a new home. Another would be his stance on illegals (which you mentioned). In-state tuition? That's bad since most illegals work under the table and don't pay taxes. I know, you said it probably won't pass, and it probably won't, but it is his proposal



The state doesn't set property taxes, individual cities and towns do. What Patrick plans to do, and what he has said throughout the campaing, is that he will restore local aid to pre-Romney administration levels. In turn city budgets will be more flexible and they can lower property taxes, which have been skyrocketing since Romney took office. I just fail to see how lowering property taxes is a bad thing for anyone, rich or poor.


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