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this is a really long article in rolling stone that i thoroughly enjoyed and haven't seen anywhere else here.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/st ... gress_ever

it aggravated me like nothing else has of late. if discussion on this stalls i will probably post a few choice excerpts from it.

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I didn't read it. I've lost all respect for Rolling Stone. They are a liberal propaganda machine masquerading as a music magazine. Their list of 10 worst congresspeople shows their bias. 9 are Republicans and 1 is a Democrat.

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So they should balance things by giving dems and reps equal time in the worst list?

RS is insanely liberal, but I enjoy listening to and reading both side's mags/stations.


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9 are Republicans and 1 is a Democrat.


So what. All those assholes were deserving of being on that list.

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I didn't read it. I've lost all respect for Rolling Stone. They are a liberal propaganda machine masquerading as a music magazine. Their list of 10 worst congresspeople shows their bias. 9 are Republicans and 1 is a Democrat.


i did mean to include a "take with a grain of salt" comment in my original posting, but i forgot. anways, there are enough facts in the article to make anyone pause.

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In the Sixties and Seventies, Congress met an average of 162 days a year. In the Eighties and Nineties, the average went down to 139 days. This year, the second session of the 109th Congress will set the all-time record for fewest days worked by a U.S. Congress: ninety-three. That means that House members will collect their $165,000 paychecks for only three months of actual work.

What this means is that the current Congress will not only beat but shatter the record for laziness set by the notorious "Do-Nothing" Congress of 1948, which met for a combined 252 days between the House and the Senate. This Congress -- the Do-Even-Less Congress -- met for 218 days, just over half a year, between the House and the Senate combined.


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Not to say, of course, that this Congress hasn't made an effort to reform itself. In the wake of the Jack Abramoff scandal, and following a public uproar over the widespread abuse of earmarks, both the House and the Senate passed their own versions of an earmark reform bill this year. But when the two chambers couldn't agree on a final version, the House was left to pass its own watered-down measure in the waning days of the most recent session. This pathetically, almost historically half-assed attempt at reforming corruption should tell you all you need to know about the current Congress.

The House rule will force legislators to attach their names to all earmarks. Well, not all earmarks. Actually, the new rule applies only to nonfederal funding -- money for local governments, nonprofits and universities. And the rule will remain in effect only for the remainder of this congressional year -- in other words, for the few remaining days of business after lawmakers return to Washington following the election season. After that, it's back to business as usual next year.


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For similarly petulant moves by a committee chair, one need look no further than the Ways and Means Committee, where Rep. Bill Thomas -- a pugnacious Californian with an enviable ego who was caught having an affair with a pharmaceutical lobbyist -- enjoys a reputation rivaling that of the rotund Sensenbrenner. The lowlight of his reign took place just before midnight on July 17th, 2003, when Thomas dumped a "substitute" pension bill on Democrats -- one that they had never read -- and informed them they would be voting on it the next morning. Infuriated, Democrats stalled by demanding that the bill be read out line by line while they recessed to a side room to confer. But Thomas wanted to move forward -- so he called the Capitol police to evict the Democrats.


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As has often been the case in the past six years, the vote was held late at night, away from the prying eyes of the public, who might be horrified by what they see. Thanks to such tactics, the 109th is known as the "Dracula" Congress: Twenty bills have been brought to a vote between midnight and 7 a.m.



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I didn't read it. I've lost all respect for Rolling Stone. They are a liberal propaganda machine masquerading as a music magazine. Their list of 10 worst congresspeople shows their bias. 9 are Republicans and 1 is a Democrat.


i did mean to include a "take with a grain of salt" comment in my original posting, but i forgot. anways, there are enough facts in the article to make anyone pause.

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In the Sixties and Seventies, Congress met an average of 162 days a year. In the Eighties and Nineties, the average went down to 139 days. This year, the second session of the 109th Congress will set the all-time record for fewest days worked by a U.S. Congress: ninety-three. That means that House members will collect their $165,000 paychecks for only three months of actual work.

What this means is that the current Congress will not only beat but shatter the record for laziness set by the notorious "Do-Nothing" Congress of 1948, which met for a combined 252 days between the House and the Senate. This Congress -- the Do-Even-Less Congress -- met for 218 days, just over half a year, between the House and the Senate combined.


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Not to say, of course, that this Congress hasn't made an effort to reform itself. In the wake of the Jack Abramoff scandal, and following a public uproar over the widespread abuse of earmarks, both the House and the Senate passed their own versions of an earmark reform bill this year. But when the two chambers couldn't agree on a final version, the House was left to pass its own watered-down measure in the waning days of the most recent session. This pathetically, almost historically half-assed attempt at reforming corruption should tell you all you need to know about the current Congress.

The House rule will force legislators to attach their names to all earmarks. Well, not all earmarks. Actually, the new rule applies only to nonfederal funding -- money for local governments, nonprofits and universities. And the rule will remain in effect only for the remainder of this congressional year -- in other words, for the few remaining days of business after lawmakers return to Washington following the election season. After that, it's back to business as usual next year.


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For similarly petulant moves by a committee chair, one need look no further than the Ways and Means Committee, where Rep. Bill Thomas -- a pugnacious Californian with an enviable ego who was caught having an affair with a pharmaceutical lobbyist -- enjoys a reputation rivaling that of the rotund Sensenbrenner. The lowlight of his reign took place just before midnight on July 17th, 2003, when Thomas dumped a "substitute" pension bill on Democrats -- one that they had never read -- and informed them they would be voting on it the next morning. Infuriated, Democrats stalled by demanding that the bill be read out line by line while they recessed to a side room to confer. But Thomas wanted to move forward -- so he called the Capitol police to evict the Democrats.


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As has often been the case in the past six years, the vote was held late at night, away from the prying eyes of the public, who might be horrified by what they see. Thanks to such tactics, the 109th is known as the "Dracula" Congress: Twenty bills have been brought to a vote between midnight and 7 a.m.



I read this article a couple weeks ago, and I've been screaming about these points ever since...

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One could go on and on about the scandals and failures of the past six years; to document them all would take . . . well, it would take more than ninety-three fucking days, that's for sure. But you can boil the whole sordid mess down to a few basic concepts. Sloth. Greed. Abuse of power. Hatred of democracy. Government as a cheap backroom deal, finished in time for thirty-six holes of the world's best golf. And brains too stupid to be ashamed of any of it. If we have learned nothing else in the Bush years, it's that this Congress cannot be reformed. The only way to change it is to get rid of it.


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I remember reading this article before also. It's probably posted around here somewhere.

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barefeet222 wrote:
I've lost all respect for Rolling Stone. They are a liberal propaganda machine masquerading as a music magazine.


I have not read it either. Nor do I read Rolling Stone. However, I think you fail to see the obvious and direct connections to rock music and liberal viewpoints. Rock music is inherently and almost by definition anti establishment and liberal. I think it's ridiculous to portray it as a "propaganda machine masquerading as a music magazine". That's just naive. It's a rock & roll magazine that is what it is. There is no masquerade to be had.

That being said. I still think RS sucks and suffers from poor writing and/or interesting articles.


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barefeet222 wrote:
I didn't read it. I've lost all respect for Rolling Stone. They are a liberal propaganda machine masquerading as a music magazine. Their list of 10 worst congresspeople shows their bias. 9 are Republicans and 1 is a Democrat.


so now you DO support affirmative action all of the sudden?


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Pretty sure we have all said by now that RS is utter and complete crap.

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punkdavid wrote:
I remember reading this article before also. It's probably posted around here somewhere.


Thats some lazy modding PD.


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punkdavid wrote:
I remember reading this article before also. It's probably posted around here somewhere.


Thats some lazy modding PD.
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punkdavid wrote:
I remember reading this article before also. It's probably posted around here somewhere.


Thats some lazy modding PD.
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come on, i was sure this had to be posted somewhere around here but was counting on you to lock this up and redirect me to page xx of thread xyz where somebody else posted it.

i like how a significant percentage of the posters in this thread simply comment on rolling stone (a magazine i don't like either, at least for music-related stuff) and how they won't read it because of that.

it would be like me refusing to watch a thought-provoking show about pearl jam (a topic i'm interested in) because it is on a tv channel i don't like.

this isn't simply a republican-bashing article, it makes mention of the fact that a lot of this can be attributed to precedents the democrats set in the early 90s.

if nothing else, this congress has worked significantly fewer days than any other congress EVER. wouldn't everyone agree that this isn't a good time (iraq, terrorism, etc.) for this to happen?

or how congress spent 12 HOURS investigating the abu ghraib(sp??) scandal, but spent a week and a half debating the terri schiavo case?


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barefeet222 wrote:
I didn't read it. I've lost all respect for Rolling Stone. They are a liberal propaganda machine masquerading as a music magazine. Their list of 10 worst congresspeople shows their bias. 9 are Republicans and 1 is a Democrat.


the truth sucks, eh?

it makes me laugh when republicans bellyache that they're being picked on, when it's really just the truth that pisses them off. life's a bitch.

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1947 congress....forget which #, and I dont really feel like looking it up....that is the correct answer to "worst congress ever."

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1947 congress....forget which #, and I dont really feel like looking it up....that is the correct answer to "worst congress ever."


nope:

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What this means is that the current Congress will not only beat but shatter the record for laziness set by the notorious "Do-Nothing" Congress of 1948, which met for a combined 252 days between the House and the Senate. This Congress -- the Do-Even-Less Congress -- met for 218 days, just over half a year, between the House and the Senate combined.

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ledbutter wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
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punkdavid wrote:
I remember reading this article before also. It's probably posted around here somewhere.


Thats some lazy modding PD.
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come on, i was sure this had to be posted somewhere around here but was counting on you to lock this up and redirect me to page xx of thread xyz where somebody else posted it.

i like how a significant percentage of the posters in this thread simply comment on rolling stone (a magazine i don't like either, at least for music-related stuff) and how they won't read it because of that.

it would be like me refusing to watch a thought-provoking show about pearl jam (a topic i'm interested in) because it is on a tv channel i don't like.

this isn't simply a republican-bashing article, it makes mention of the fact that a lot of this can be attributed to precedents the democrats set in the early 90s.

if nothing else, this congress has worked significantly fewer days than any other congress EVER. wouldn't everyone agree that this isn't a good time (iraq, terrorism, etc.) for this to happen?

or how congress spent 12 HOURS investigating the abu ghraib(sp??) scandal, but spent a week and a half debating the terri schiavo case?


Because someone doesn't like Rolling Stone (and let's face it, who does except old farts, teeny boppers, and culturally-out-of-touch people in their 20s) doesn't mean that this Congress still SUCKS. It was a significantly fact-based article, so tough shit. Tomorrow, hopefully I will say good-riddance.

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ledbutter wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
edzeppe wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
I remember reading this article before also. It's probably posted around here somewhere.


Thats some lazy modding PD.
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come on, i was sure this had to be posted somewhere around here but was counting on you to lock this up and redirect me to page xx of thread xyz where somebody else posted it.

i like how a significant percentage of the posters in this thread simply comment on rolling stone (a magazine i don't like either, at least for music-related stuff) and how they won't read it because of that.

it would be like me refusing to watch a thought-provoking show about pearl jam (a topic i'm interested in) because it is on a tv channel i don't like.

this isn't simply a republican-bashing article, it makes mention of the fact that a lot of this can be attributed to precedents the democrats set in the early 90s.

if nothing else, this congress has worked significantly fewer days than any other congress EVER. wouldn't everyone agree that this isn't a good time (iraq, terrorism, etc.) for this to happen?

or how congress spent 12 HOURS investigating the abu ghraib(sp??) scandal, but spent a week and a half debating the terri schiavo case?


holy crap, was that only a week and a half? i'll bet it felt alot longer to terry. that is, if she hadn't been a vegetable with eyes at the time.

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I didn't read it. I've lost all respect for Rolling Stone. They are a liberal propaganda machine masquerading as a music magazine. Their list of 10 worst congresspeople shows their bias. 9 are Republicans and 1 is a Democrat.


the truth sucks, eh?

it makes me laugh when republicans bellyache that they're being picked on, when it's really just the truth that pisses them off. life's a bitch.


I'm not bellyaching. I'm just pointing out the fact that Rolling Stone is so liberal that you can't give it any legitamacy as an unbiased source when it comes to politics.

I'm not a Republican either. I'm not Democrat either. I vote for who I think the best candidate is. In today's elections I voted for a Democratic governor, a Democratic US senator, a Republican US House Representative, and a Democratic State Senate member. I also voted no to Wisconsin's proposed ammendment to limit marriage to a man and a woman. Based on my voting today most would consider me a Democrat, but I don't see it that way. I voted for Bush in the last Presidential election. I don't think that makes me a Republican either. I'm all over the board.

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