It's got to be in the back of everyones head at this point.

Will it happen?

No. The Democrats are merely politicians, not revolutionaries.


But it should.

I think they should first focus on bringing the troops home before they do something that dramatic.

It might, but if it does, it won't happen right away. But I'm sure they'll be dishing out some subpoenas and conducting some investigations into the war in Iraq within the first 100 days or so.

I don't really see the point of impeachment if they can't throw him out of office but believe me I hope they do!!

I'm hoping that some hard investigations are started. Maybe that will lead to some serious talks of impeachment.

democrats have already said theyre not going to try to impeach. they want to have a positive outlook and get their agenda passed, not spend months and millions of dollars trying to take bush down and look like the negative party. now is the democrats chance to actually show the country what they stand for and what issues they feel strong about. what they do over the next 2 years can make or break the democratic candidate for president in 2008.

Yes, they did say they wouldn't go after an impeachment. On one side, I want the dems to do exactly what you said and that's to make some progress and put themselves in a good position take the presidency in 08...but on the other hand, if future investigations reveal some serious corruption or other crimes that could possibly be linked to the president (I'm doubting that will happen but it could), wouldn't congress be obligated to attempt an impeachment?

they pretty much already are obligated, he's not upholding the constitution...

I don't think it will happen, but based on what they went after nixon for, they should do it with bush as well.

i do hope they hold hearings on iraq contracts and everything else and there probably will be some people implicated in them if wrongdoing is found. whether it ends up leading to impeachment is anyone's guess.

and malice, which part of the constitution are you referring to?

My take on it is , We all will have impeachment in the back of our minds for all the future presidents. I dont have much faith in politicians of that level.
Someone said getting the troops home should be first priority and i agree with that

Impeaching a president in his last 2 years is stupid. Just hold hearings, get the law involved, shame this administration so they properly end up in the dustbin of history, and do what you can to clean up the mess.

EDIT Or do what Al Franken suggested, which is do a quickie impeachment in November 2008, after the elections.

Whatever is done or not done in the next two years regarding this matter, I would hope that whomever takes the reigns in 2008 would be more honest with the public and increase the transparency of government. Instead of referring to every unflattering report in the media as being part of some grand left-wing conspiracy, the government could usurp the media's role by telling the public what is happening in a timely and forthright manner. I believe LittleWing had said here in the past that one of the things that most disappointed him about the Bush Administration was their inability to tell the American people why certain decisions were made, leading the public and the media to make assumptions however correct or erroneous. Some of us assumed that they did not actually know what they were doing, while others among us believed they did but could not articulate it properly. Whatever the case, it was certainly a failure of communication and did nothing to garner much needed support and discussion on some very important issues, some of which in the case of the war, were matters of life and death. I can always respect a leader who can honestly present his or her reasons for decisions, even if I disagree with them. I made the point a while back that I do not believe Americans are not intelligent enough to be told what is happening and why decisions are made. I have been troubled with the current administration, as well as past administrations regarding this matter. But alas it is a matter of politic, rather than leadership, which has driven the decisions of our representatives in government for many decades. I belive this will not change so long as said positions are viewed as lucrative careers as opposed to public service. So to impeach or not to impeach? To investigate? I am sure something will be done. Unfortunately, I am not sure that it will really matter.

It would be hard not to be.

Not that. I'm more upset that the Bush administration has been unable to sell ANYTHING to ANYBODY. He can't sell anything to American's. And he can't sell anything to foreigner's. In the end, what got him elected, has inevitably led to the downfall.

When he was elected, he was immediately faced with an immense amount of bias against him in the world. And in regards to Iraq, he was faced with even more blind bias, and faced countries that had a vested interest in profiting off of a Saddam led Iraq.

Well, I suppose it's all come full circle now hasn't it?

Bush has been absolutely awful at selling anything.

He can't sell this war.
He couldn't sell his social security plan.
He had a hard time selling tax cuts.
He can't sell any policy either.

I got to thinking about it, and I don't necessarily know that this is a gonna be a bad thing. If the Democrats can uphold some character through this, maybe we can get some definitive, decisive, beneficial good out of this...

But in the back of my head, all I can think is that come...2-6 years from now, the Hannity's and the Limbaugh's are gonna simply going to be saying, "See, I told you so. I told you this is what would happen in the Democrats took office."

What's so shameful about this isn't that the Democrats won, as Tom Delay put it, it's that the Republican's lost. The Democrats didn't win on anything. They won because people are so fucking sick of the Republicans and a lot of the bullshit that has come out over the past few years. It's depressing, and nobody in this forum should be happy. Because so far as I can tell, the Democrats still don't have a unified message and they've brought forth no solid policy sugestions...both foreign and domestic...

The scariest thing to me is still Iraq. With Bush and the Republican's, you pretty much knew you were at least maintain the status quo. But with the Democrats, in my opinion, maintaining the status quo is the absolute BEST you can hope for. Some of ya'll want the troops pulled out... man, do you understand what would happen?

Someone said that the Democrats are politicians and because of that they won't impeach. I strongly disagree. I say they're politicians, they might let this go to their heads, and they may try and impeach. But... they would fall on their faces if they did that.

Pelosi and others positioned themselves and came out and said they wouldn't impeach for a reason. Mainly because they know they have nothing. Even if they began to investigate some of the fraud and bullshit with the contracts, some of these investigations would end up pointing squarely back at them.

The Democrats have some power and some leverage back. Now let's see what they do with it and the course the world takes over the next two years.

True. Let's just hope it's not the DNC pulling the strings. I trust the Dems in congress more than I trust the DNC...I mean, who is Howard Dean really?

For those who support impeachment of President Bush....specifically, what would you base his impeachment proceedings on?

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060130/holtzman

yes, it's six pages long, but worth the read if you want specifics.

If the Dems achieved world peace and cured cancer, they'd still be saying that, because that's what they do, outside realities be damned.


Hard to dispute this. However, unlike you, I think the status quo is the wrost thing that could be at this point, so any change of course is at the very least a potential to improve. Even if the change turns out for the worse, you learn something. It's like driving along and you're lost. You can stay on the road you're on, even though it's quite obvious that it's not taking you where you want to be. So you turn off the road and go left. Maybe it will get you closer to your destination, maybe it will get you farther away, but at least if it takes you farther away, you'll know you should have turned right instead. Staying unwaveringly going straight gives you no new insights.


I can guarantee (you writing this down?) that the President will NOT be impeached unless the investigations turn up something MUCH more monumental than anything that has thusfar come to light. Quote me on that.