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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:13 am 
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He doesn't seem the type to me to just fade away and let history decide his fate. I think he'll be combative in policy even if he shows more rhetorical restraint. And I think he'll continue to be a liability to whomever his party nominates in 2008. Republicans are in deep, deep shit if he continues along the path of the so-called "unitary executive."

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He's holding a press conference tomorrow, should be interesting or totally hysterical if he thinks it is still 2005.

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Bush actually had a fairly good record while Governor of Texas of working with both parties. Of course, Washington is an entirely different ballgame, as has been seen for the last 6 years. And your average Congressional Democrat is a much different animal than a Texas Dem.

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I think he will continue to do what the more intelligent people he has surrounded himself with in his administration tell him to do.


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Ampson11 wrote:
I think he will continue to do what the more intelligent people he has surrounded himself with in his administration tell him to do.


Laser guided democracy?

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glorified_version wrote:
He's holding a press conference tomorrow, should be interesting or totally hysterical if he thinks it is still 2005.

"I've built up some political capital, and now I'm gonna spend it. Hehe."

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broken iris wrote:
Ampson11 wrote:
I think he will continue to do what the more intelligent people he has surrounded himself with in his administration tell him to do.


Laser guided democracy?


I don't get the reference. Explain por favor.


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likeatab wrote:
Bush actually had a fairly good record while Governor of Texas of working with both parties. Of course, Washington is an entirely different ballgame, as has been seen for the last 6 years. And your average Congressional Democrat is a much different animal than a Texas Dem.

and the Texas governor might as well be a secretary.

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Peter Van Wieren wrote:
likeatab wrote:
Bush actually had a fairly good record while Governor of Texas of working with both parties. Of course, Washington is an entirely different ballgame, as has been seen for the last 6 years. And your average Congressional Democrat is a much different animal than a Texas Dem.

and the Texas governor might as well be a secretary.

true.

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Your country's politcal situation is bringing so many lulz right now. I'm so looking forward to The Radio Factor tonight. Laughfest 2006.


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Your country's politcal situation is bringing so many lulz right now. I'm so looking forward to The Radio Factor tonight. Laughfest 2006.


Careful, or we will flatten North Bay.


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Osiris wrote:
godeatgod wrote:
Your country's politcal situation is bringing so many lulz right now. I'm so looking forward to The Radio Factor tonight. Laughfest 2006.


Careful, or we will flatten North Bay.

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President Bush will certainly try to work with the Democrats. For example, his Comprehensive Immigration Reform will probably come to fruition now that the Democrats control the House.
On the other hand, there are things that he believes in principle that I doubt he will bend on. One is the issue with tax cuts. There will have to be a compromise there.
On National Security, I really don't see President Bush giving into Democrat demands of dismantling the NSA wiretap program or giving full Constitutional Rights to Terrorists. That will not happen on his watch. There will not, under any circumstances, be any cutting and running from Iraq or Afghanistan either.


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Shit, LF. Thanks for posting that, I'll just stop watching the news to see what happens now. Where can I get me one of them thar crystal balls you work with?


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LeninFlux wrote:
President Bush will certainly try to work with the Democrats. For example, his Comprehensive Immigration Reform will probably come to fruition now that the Democrats control the House.
On the other hand, there are things that he believes in principle that I doubt he will bend on. One is the issue with tax cuts. There will have to be a compromise there.
On National Security, I really don't see President Bush giving into Democrat demands of dismantling the NSA wiretap program or giving full Constitutional Rights to Terrorists. That will not happen on his watch. There will not, under any circumstances, be any cutting and running from Iraq or Afghanistan either.



Sorry bro. I agree with some of what you say around here but to call Bush's Guest Worker/Amnesty bill "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" is a bit too much. You are right however, that it will come to frutition because while Bush tries to duck and weave his way around the Illegal Immigration problem, the Democrats have no problem with giving Illegal Immigrants full out rights/amnesty, and Bush will bend to their will because he and the Republican party have become so wussified and scared that they're going to offend Latino voters with any measures that would seek to stem the flow of illegal immigrants from Mexico. Although I will say that I don't think it's entirely their fault because a lot of Democrats and Illegal Immigration advocacy groups race bait nonstop and really distort what's going on and really seek to ingrain in everyones mind that these people are disenfranchised and deserve all out rights because "they're doing it for a better life" or whatever other cliched phrase is thrown out there by state Democrats and officials like LA Mayor Villaraigosa.

You could just see it when Bush held that press conference when he signed the 700 mile Fence bill that he was completely unenthusiastic about it. It seemed more like the rest of the GOP was pressuring him to do a public signing than he was really for it because they probably thought it would energize the base before the election.

As weak as Bush is right now, he needs to start thinking about the future of the GOP and not letting this so called "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" crap go any further. Some things are worth compromising on and it's necessary with many issues, but definitely not this one. He needs to take a stand.


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rohfe100 wrote:
LeninFlux wrote:
President Bush will certainly try to work with the Democrats. For example, his Comprehensive Immigration Reform will probably come to fruition now that the Democrats control the House.
On the other hand, there are things that he believes in principle that I doubt he will bend on. One is the issue with tax cuts. There will have to be a compromise there.
On National Security, I really don't see President Bush giving into Democrat demands of dismantling the NSA wiretap program or giving full Constitutional Rights to Terrorists. That will not happen on his watch. There will not, under any circumstances, be any cutting and running from Iraq or Afghanistan either.



Sorry bro. I agree with some of what you say around here but to call Bush's Guest Worker/Amnesty bill "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" is a bit too much. You are right however, that it will come to frutition because while Bush tries to duck and weave his way around the Illegal Immigration problem, the Democrats have no problem with giving Illegal Immigrants full out rights/amnesty, and Bush will bend to their will because he and the Republican party have become so wussified and scared that they're going to offend Latino voters with any measures that would seek to stem the flow of illegal immigrants from Mexico. Although I will say that I don't think it's entirely their fault because a lot of Democrats and Illegal Immigration advocacy groups race bait nonstop and really distort what's going on and really seek to ingrain in everyones mind that these people are disenfranchised and deserve all out rights because "they're doing it for a better life" or whatever other cliched phrase is thrown out there by state Democrats and officials like LA Mayor Villaraigosa.

You could just see it when Bush held that press conference when he signed the 700 mile Fence bill that he was completely unenthusiastic about it. It seemed more like the rest of the GOP was pressuring him to do a public signing than he was really for it because they probably thought it would energize the base before the election.

As weak as Bush is right now, he needs to start thinking about the future of the GOP and not letting this so called "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" crap go any further. Some things are worth compromising on and it's necessary with many issues, but definitely not this one. He needs to take a stand.


Well, I appreciate your comments and you made some good points. In my opinion, I never saw the logic in the House's legislation...i.e. making illegal immigration a felony. I never bought into the Liberal argument that it would turn the US into a "police state," but I agreed with the premise that it was impossible to literally throw 12-15 million people out of the country. Personally I wouldn't want to, but that's beside the point. I think the President's plan struck the perfect compromise. The idea that his plan was "amnesty" is true insofar that they would be allowed to stay in the country and work. However, they would have to get in the back of the line and wait a very long time for a chance at citizenship. The guest worker program would only go into effect if there was a demand for the work...in other words, make sure that the American workforce isn't being effected negatively by the program.
It's a complicated issue and it needs to be addressed, and it will take years. But I think they can come up with something that is both practical and humane.


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