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Baghdad provincial governor shot dead
Truck bomb kills 10 in separate attack in Iraq capitol
MSNBC News Services
Updated: 5:07 a.m. ET Jan. 4, 2005
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Gunmen on Tuesday assassinated the governor of the Iraqi province that includes Baghdad and six of his bodyguards, security officials said, while a suicide truck bomb exploded in central Baghdad, killing 10 people and wounding dozens more.
Ali Al-Haidari’s three-vehicle convoy was passing through Baghdad’s northern neighborhood of Hurriyah when gunmen opened fire, said the chief of his security detail, who asked only to be identified as Maj. Mazen.
“The governor was in his armored BMW and we were in two other cars,” said Maj. Mazen, reached on al-Haidari’s cell phone. “Our convoy was moving in Hurriyah and they came from different directions and opened fire at us.”
Iraq’s insurgents have repeatedly targeted government officials around the country, saying they are allies of the U.S.-led coalition. Al-Haidari was the highest-ranking official killed since the former president of the now defunct Governing Council, Abdel-Zahraa Othman, better known as Izzadine Saleem, was assassinated in May.
Al-Haidari was the target of another assassination attempt last year that killed two of his bodyguards.
Truck bomb blast kills 10
Also on Tuesday, a tanker truck packed with explosives detonated near an Interior Ministry headquarters in western Baghdad Tuesday, killing 10 people and wounding about 60, the Interior Ministry said.
A suicide driver rammed the truck at an Iraqi police checkpoint near the headquarters, which is also near an entrance of the Green Zone, the fortified home of the U.S. Embassy and the interim Iraqi government.
Eight Iraqi commandos and two civilians were killed, the Interior Ministry said in a statement.
The explosion occurred not far from the site of Monday’s explosion in front of Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi’s party headquarters that killed 2 police officers, one civilian and injured 25 other Iraqis.
Thick smoke billowed from the area of Tuesday’s blast, which echoed throughout the capital.
Elsewhere, a U.S. Marine was killed in action in al-Anbar province west of Baghdad on Tuesday, the U.S. military said.
The military statement gave no further details. Anbar province includes the restive cities of Fallujah, where U.S. forces launched a major assault in November to drive out insurgents, and Ramadi.
Bloody day in Baghdad
Tuesday's violence came a day after a series of deadly attacks in Baghdad. A roadside explosion and four car bombs — one near Allawi's party headquarters in Baghdad — killed at least 16 people on Monday as insurgents pressed their deadly campaign to disrupt national elections.
In a signal that the violence may be shaking the resolve of the interim Iraqi government, one senior Iraqi official said the planned Jan. 30 vote could be postponed.
A car bomb exploded late Monday at a U.S.-manned checkpoint to the Green Zone, the heavily fortified area that houses the U.S. Embassy and Iraqi government offices, U.S. Embassy spokesman Bob Callahan said. U.S. troops surrounded a burning SUV at the scene.
Three bodies were seen burning inside the destroyed vehicle. The nationalities of the victims were not immediately known.
Iraqi police Lt. Khalid Mohammed said the bomb targeted a U.S. nonmilitary convoy and there were casualties at the checkpoint, which is the main Green Zone exit for trips to Baghdad International Airport west of the city. American contractors and diplomats commonly make the journey along the dangerous airport road in SUVs.
Four other bombings occurred earlier Monday, targeting Iraqi security forces.
The deadliest attack happened in Balad, a city 50 miles north of Baghdad, where four guardsmen were killed and 14 were wounded, U.S. military spokesman Neal E. O’Brien said. The driver of the car also died.
“Anti-Iraqi forces continue to target the Iraqi National Guard” because the ING is creating conditions for “successful elections,” O’Brien said.
Balad also was the scene of a car bombing on Sunday that killed 22 Iraqi National Guards and their driver.
Allawi not present during attack
Elsewhere, an explosives-laden car driven by a suicide bomber exploded outside the offices of the Iraqi National Accord, the party of interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, after ramming a police checkpoint. Two police officers and one civilian were killed and 25 Iraqis were wounded. Aides to Allawi said he was not in the building, which is in a western district of Baghdad.
Two car bombs also were detonated Monday in Tikrit, Saddam Hussein’s hometown, killing six Iraqi National Guard members and wounding four others, Iraqi security forces said.
Meanwhile, Iraqi Defense Minister Hazem Shaalan raised the possibility Monday that Iraqi elections could be postponed to try to persuade minority Sunni Muslims to participate in the vote. It was not immediately clear whether Shaalan was speaking for the Iraqi government, which has indicated firm backing for U.S. plans to hold the election as scheduled despite the increasing violence.
U.S. officials have warned that attacks would escalate ahead of the elections for a national assembly, and the guerrillas have made good on those fears with tragic ease. Iraq’s poorly equipped security forces usually have far less training than American troops, and attacks on them usually result in more casualties.
Sunday's attack in Balad occurred when a car blew up alongside a bus carrying Iraqi National Guard troops as it was passing a U.S. base. Police Lt. Haidar Karar said 22 guardsmen were killed along with their driver.
It was the deadliest assault on Iraqi security forces since October, when insurgents gunned down about 50 Guardsmen at a fake checkpoint.
Balad is in the so-called Sunni Triangle, the scene of frequent assaults on U.S. and Iraqi security forces.
The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
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Things are going great! We're workin' hard, ya know, spreadin' freedom. Don't believe all this left-wing media spin, because things really are going great! I mean, governors don't do much anyway.
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I've been saying this from the start of this January 30th election nonsense that bush won't leave alone....the 30th may be the bloodiest day of this bullsh$t war just yet. Now members of the "government" there are being killed...why the hell did this fool get re-elected??? This election is a JOKE!
On another note...see how much they are spending on the "festivities" surrounding bush being re-elected...40 million!!! The most ever!!!! Ok, I'm getting sick again....
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InHiding23 wrote:
I've been saying this from the start of this January 30th election nonsense that bush won't leave alone....the 30th may be the bloodiest day of this bullsh$t war just yet. Now members of the "government" there are being killed...why the hell did this fool get re-elected??? This election is a JOKE!
On another note...see how much they are spending on the "festivities" surrounding bush being re-elected...40 million!!! The most ever!!!! Ok, I'm getting sick again....
$40 million is small potatoes. The guy's got a mandate, after all.
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The vast, vast majority of the money being spent on the inauguration is from donations, not your taxes. There was a recent article in Yahoo! News about it, but I'm too lazy to find it for you. Don't be so wound up about that, unless you're concerned about the corporate influence on the administration :where's that puke icon?:
I've been saying this from the start of this January 30th election nonsense that bush won't leave alone....the 30th may be the bloodiest day of this bullsh$t war just yet. Now members of the "government" there are being killed...why the hell did this fool get re-elected??? This election is a JOKE!
On another note...see how much they are spending on the "festivities" surrounding bush being re-elected...40 million!!! The most ever!!!! Ok, I'm getting sick again....
$40 million is small potatoes. The guy's got a mandate, after all.
Good point...I always forget about that damn mandate!!
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Athletic Supporter wrote:
The vast, vast majority of the money being spent on the inauguration is from donations, not your taxes. There was a recent article in Yahoo! News about it, but I'm too lazy to find it for you. Don't be so wound up about that, unless you're concerned about the corporate influence on the administration :where's that puke icon?:
You shutup. Buzzkill.
_________________ Deep below the dunes I roved Past the rows, past the rows Beside the acacias freshly in bloom I sent men to their doom
The vast, vast majority of the money being spent on the inauguration is from donations, not your taxes. There was a recent article in Yahoo! News about it, but I'm too lazy to find it for you. Don't be so wound up about that, unless you're concerned about the corporate influence on the administration :where's that puke icon?:
Even if the money is coming from donations from small minded, uneducated and uncaring people...this money should be used for better things. Our country could make use of it in so many better ways...not to mention a relief fund for the Tsunami victims....Having this big a party for ANY elected official does not sit well with me.
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InHiding23 wrote:
Even if the money is coming from donations from small minded, uneducated and uncaring people...this money should be used for better things. Our country could make use of it in so many better ways...not to mention a relief fund for the Tsunami victims....Having this big a party for ANY elected official does not sit well with me.
Telling other people how to spend their money kinda rubs me, since you mentioned it.
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Big donations pouring in for 2nd Bush inauguration
BY MARK SILVA
Chicago Tribune
WASHINGTON - (KRT) - Soldiers will dance free of charge at President Bush's second inauguration, a record $40 million-plus celebration for "a nation at war" financed by some of the same big donors who bankrolled Bush's re-election campaign.
The president's private inaugural committee, calling on corporate and individual donors to contribute as much as $250,000 apiece, has struck a military-minded theme for a three-day series of events leading to Bush's second-term swearing-in on Jan. 20.
"Celebrating Freedom, Honoring Service" is the slogan for a festival that will start with a ceremony at an indoor Washington arena "saluting those who serve," and close with a collection of nine formal balls. The dances will include a Commander-in-Chief Ball open, admission free, to invited members of the military.
"We recognize this time that we are a nation at war," explained Jeanne Phillips, a Texas businesswoman serving as chairman of the 55th Presidential Inaugural Committee. She is staging a celebration of "our freedom as Americans here at home" and "freedom everywhere."
The Pentagon is inviting active-duty troops and families to the ball - particularly those who have recently returned from Iraq or Afghanistan or soon will be deployed there.
The theme will enable the president to draw on his strongest image, of a determined commander in an unsettling era of war against terror. Bush will need to marshal more of the public support that helped him win re-election, as he tackles a tough second-term agenda that will include attempts to overhaul Social Security and the federal tax code as well as curtail the cost of lawsuits alleging medical malpractice.
"He's recognizing the important role that his position as commander in chief played in his re-election, and trying to heighten the identification of his second term with the troops is probably designed to strengthen his popularity as he approaches some very important domestic issues," says John McGlennon, professor of government at the College of William and Mary. "He is going to need some help with rallying the public around some ideas that they have a lot of skepticism about."
At the same time, McGlennon suggested that a costly, military-theme celebration may sound jarring at a juncture when the Bush administration is predicting rising violence in Iraq as that nation nears elections scheduled 10 days after Bush's inauguration.
"Holding a military ball in conjunction with the inauguration at the same time that there are troops in harm's way is inevitably going to raise some questions about spending money on an elaborate event when we've just gone through some discussion about adequately equipping the troops in Iraq," McGlennon says. "The decision to highlight the president's attachment to Iraq is going to depend on things getting better there."
Most of the money for ceremonies such as the elaborate balls and the parade through Washington after Bush's swearing-in at the west front of the Capitol will come from a private committee with a stated budget of $30 million to $40 million. However, it's likely that Bush, who raised a record $270 million for his re-election, will surpass the $40 million he spent on his first inauguration in 2001.
By comparison, President Bill Clinton raised and spent $33 million for his inauguration in January 1993 and $23.7 million for his second term swearing-in in 1997.
A crew of campaign-honed fund-raisers, including Bush "Rangers" who were responsible for raising $200,000 apiece for his re-election, is raising the money for the inauguration.
These include Bill DeWitt, co-chairman of a Cincinnati-based investment firm who helped Bush arrange the financing for the purchase of baseball's Texas Rangers, which Bush headed as managing partner before his election as governor of Texas in 1994.
The fund-raisers are asking corporate donors to purchase a $250,000 "underwriter package" that includes tickets to all inaugural events, 20 tickets for one of three candlelight dinners that the president will attend on the eve of the inauguration and two tickets for a more intimate lunch with Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney.
They are courting individual donors with a $100,000 "sponsor package" that includes fewer tickets to one of the candlelight dinners.
Twenty-one companies and individuals already have donated the maximum $250,000. They include companies with an interest in the outcome of the Bush administration's agenda on such matters as oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
Among the top donors: Exxon Mobil Corp., Occidental Petroleum Corp., Chevron Texaco and Texas oilman T. Boone Pickens, according to the committee's accounting of about $8 million raised through Dec. 23.
The $250,000 donors also include former Enron president Richard Kinder of Houston; Dell Computer founder Michael Dell of Austin, Texas; United Technologies Corp.; the Little Rock, Ark.-based investments firm, Stephens Group Inc., and Sallie Mae Inc., the Reston, Va.-based organization that makes student loans.
Another 24 companies and individuals have given $100,000 apiece. These include Northrop Grumman Corp., a leading defense contractor; International Paper Co.; financial services company GMAC; and Al Hoffman, Florida-based finance chairman for the Republican National Committee.
The heavy lifting of Bush's biggest donors will make tickets for others attending the balls more affordable, the inaugural committee says - although prices have not yet been set.
"It's really the generosity of the underwriters and the sponsors who enable the general public to attend events by lowering ticket costs," says Tracey Schmitt, the committee's press secretary.
That generosity also may secure the sort of "access" to decision-makers in the administration that fund-raisers often cite as the fruit of contributions during campaigns.
Mike Hightower, a vice president and lobbyist for Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Florida, is among those fund-raisers. His company donated $100,000 for Bush's first inauguration. And Hightower, involved in more than $3 million of fund raising for Bush's re-election campaign, is asking his company to help sponsor the 2005 inauguration.
"Blue Cross has been a huge supporter of the president and the administration," Hightower says. "My guess is we'll do something."
What, beyond dinner and dancing, does a company get for its inaugural money?
"The most any company is going to get is access to work an issue," Hightower says. "When you look at where we're going on health care, the president, his father and Jeb (Bush, Florida's governor) have been aligned on what we want, which is access to quality health care. We have been able to sit down with people in the administration and give them our perspective. They have been most generous."
Although the inaugural committee has imposed its own limits on top donors, there is no legal limit. This makes an inauguration a unique opportunity for political donors in an era when "soft-money" donations to political parties have been strictly curtailed by law and no individual or corporation can give more than $2,000 to a presidential campaign.
"This is one of the few places left where corporations, wealthy individuals and others can provide a huge sum of money to directly help a president, and gain access and influence as a result," said Fred Wertheimer, president of Democracy 21, a Washington-based public interest group. "It just should not be going on. There is no need to take a pivotal moment in our democracy and turn it into an old fashioned big-money Washington operation that benefits the relatively few.
"The alternative is public funding or alternative funding - or not having the need to have nine different inaugural balls," Wertheimer says. "Much of funding goes into partying. If we as a country can't find a way to fund the inauguration with either small funds or public contributions, then we ought to cut back on the costs."
One reason for so many balls, the committee maintains, is that people from all 50 states are expected. Residents of each state are assigned to one of eight, such as the Constitution Ball, Freedom Ball and Liberty Ball. Troops get the Commander-in-Chief Ball.
"The inaugural is one of our greatest traditions," Schmitt says. "It's an opportunity for Americans to celebrate the cherished ideals that make our country so great."
Tickets to the swearing-in are free. But they are limited. A congressional committee handling Capitol arrangements has distributed 250,000 tickets to members of Congress, who in turn dispense them to constituents.
The government's expense will be limited to about $3 million, supporting the swearing-in and then departure of the president from the Capitol. Bush will be escorted by a bigger-than-normal military honor guard, and review troops as he departs.
But the mix of public or private money makes little difference to the public, William and Mary's McGlennon suggests.
"They generally see the money involved in this as all being politics," he said. "There is an enormous amount of people willing to spend money on politics. And there is no question that this money is not being spent on a party, but being spent on politics."
Even if the money is coming from donations from small minded, uneducated and uncaring people...this money should be used for better things. Our country could make use of it in so many better ways...not to mention a relief fund for the Tsunami victims....Having this big a party for ANY elected official does not sit well with me.
Telling other people how to spend their money kinda rubs me, since you mentioned it.
Quote:
Big donations pouring in for 2nd Bush inauguration
BY MARK SILVA
Chicago Tribune
WASHINGTON - (KRT) - Soldiers will dance free of charge at President Bush's second inauguration, a record $40 million-plus celebration for "a nation at war" financed by some of the same big donors who bankrolled Bush's re-election campaign.
The president's private inaugural committee, calling on corporate and individual donors to contribute as much as $250,000 apiece, has struck a military-minded theme for a three-day series of events leading to Bush's second-term swearing-in on Jan. 20.
"Celebrating Freedom, Honoring Service" is the slogan for a festival that will start with a ceremony at an indoor Washington arena "saluting those who serve," and close with a collection of nine formal balls. The dances will include a Commander-in-Chief Ball open, admission free, to invited members of the military.
"We recognize this time that we are a nation at war," explained Jeanne Phillips, a Texas businesswoman serving as chairman of the 55th Presidential Inaugural Committee. She is staging a celebration of "our freedom as Americans here at home" and "freedom everywhere."
The Pentagon is inviting active-duty troops and families to the ball - particularly those who have recently returned from Iraq or Afghanistan or soon will be deployed there.
The theme will enable the president to draw on his strongest image, of a determined commander in an unsettling era of war against terror. Bush will need to marshal more of the public support that helped him win re-election, as he tackles a tough second-term agenda that will include attempts to overhaul Social Security and the federal tax code as well as curtail the cost of lawsuits alleging medical malpractice.
"He's recognizing the important role that his position as commander in chief played in his re-election, and trying to heighten the identification of his second term with the troops is probably designed to strengthen his popularity as he approaches some very important domestic issues," says John McGlennon, professor of government at the College of William and Mary. "He is going to need some help with rallying the public around some ideas that they have a lot of skepticism about."
At the same time, McGlennon suggested that a costly, military-theme celebration may sound jarring at a juncture when the Bush administration is predicting rising violence in Iraq as that nation nears elections scheduled 10 days after Bush's inauguration.
"Holding a military ball in conjunction with the inauguration at the same time that there are troops in harm's way is inevitably going to raise some questions about spending money on an elaborate event when we've just gone through some discussion about adequately equipping the troops in Iraq," McGlennon says. "The decision to highlight the president's attachment to Iraq is going to depend on things getting better there."
Most of the money for ceremonies such as the elaborate balls and the parade through Washington after Bush's swearing-in at the west front of the Capitol will come from a private committee with a stated budget of $30 million to $40 million. However, it's likely that Bush, who raised a record $270 million for his re-election, will surpass the $40 million he spent on his first inauguration in 2001.
By comparison, President Bill Clinton raised and spent $33 million for his inauguration in January 1993 and $23.7 million for his second term swearing-in in 1997.
A crew of campaign-honed fund-raisers, including Bush "Rangers" who were responsible for raising $200,000 apiece for his re-election, is raising the money for the inauguration.
These include Bill DeWitt, co-chairman of a Cincinnati-based investment firm who helped Bush arrange the financing for the purchase of baseball's Texas Rangers, which Bush headed as managing partner before his election as governor of Texas in 1994.
The fund-raisers are asking corporate donors to purchase a $250,000 "underwriter package" that includes tickets to all inaugural events, 20 tickets for one of three candlelight dinners that the president will attend on the eve of the inauguration and two tickets for a more intimate lunch with Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney.
They are courting individual donors with a $100,000 "sponsor package" that includes fewer tickets to one of the candlelight dinners.
Twenty-one companies and individuals already have donated the maximum $250,000. They include companies with an interest in the outcome of the Bush administration's agenda on such matters as oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
Among the top donors: Exxon Mobil Corp., Occidental Petroleum Corp., Chevron Texaco and Texas oilman T. Boone Pickens, according to the committee's accounting of about $8 million raised through Dec. 23.
The $250,000 donors also include former Enron president Richard Kinder of Houston; Dell Computer founder Michael Dell of Austin, Texas; United Technologies Corp.; the Little Rock, Ark.-based investments firm, Stephens Group Inc., and Sallie Mae Inc., the Reston, Va.-based organization that makes student loans.
Another 24 companies and individuals have given $100,000 apiece. These include Northrop Grumman Corp., a leading defense contractor; International Paper Co.; financial services company GMAC; and Al Hoffman, Florida-based finance chairman for the Republican National Committee.
The heavy lifting of Bush's biggest donors will make tickets for others attending the balls more affordable, the inaugural committee says - although prices have not yet been set.
"It's really the generosity of the underwriters and the sponsors who enable the general public to attend events by lowering ticket costs," says Tracey Schmitt, the committee's press secretary.
That generosity also may secure the sort of "access" to decision-makers in the administration that fund-raisers often cite as the fruit of contributions during campaigns.
Mike Hightower, a vice president and lobbyist for Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Florida, is among those fund-raisers. His company donated $100,000 for Bush's first inauguration. And Hightower, involved in more than $3 million of fund raising for Bush's re-election campaign, is asking his company to help sponsor the 2005 inauguration.
"Blue Cross has been a huge supporter of the president and the administration," Hightower says. "My guess is we'll do something."
What, beyond dinner and dancing, does a company get for its inaugural money?
"The most any company is going to get is access to work an issue," Hightower says. "When you look at where we're going on health care, the president, his father and Jeb (Bush, Florida's governor) have been aligned on what we want, which is access to quality health care. We have been able to sit down with people in the administration and give them our perspective. They have been most generous."
Although the inaugural committee has imposed its own limits on top donors, there is no legal limit. This makes an inauguration a unique opportunity for political donors in an era when "soft-money" donations to political parties have been strictly curtailed by law and no individual or corporation can give more than $2,000 to a presidential campaign.
"This is one of the few places left where corporations, wealthy individuals and others can provide a huge sum of money to directly help a president, and gain access and influence as a result," said Fred Wertheimer, president of Democracy 21, a Washington-based public interest group. "It just should not be going on. There is no need to take a pivotal moment in our democracy and turn it into an old fashioned big-money Washington operation that benefits the relatively few.
"The alternative is public funding or alternative funding - or not having the need to have nine different inaugural balls," Wertheimer says. "Much of funding goes into partying. If we as a country can't find a way to fund the inauguration with either small funds or public contributions, then we ought to cut back on the costs."
One reason for so many balls, the committee maintains, is that people from all 50 states are expected. Residents of each state are assigned to one of eight, such as the Constitution Ball, Freedom Ball and Liberty Ball. Troops get the Commander-in-Chief Ball.
"The inaugural is one of our greatest traditions," Schmitt says. "It's an opportunity for Americans to celebrate the cherished ideals that make our country so great."
Tickets to the swearing-in are free. But they are limited. A congressional committee handling Capitol arrangements has distributed 250,000 tickets to members of Congress, who in turn dispense them to constituents.
The government's expense will be limited to about $3 million, supporting the swearing-in and then departure of the president from the Capitol. Bush will be escorted by a bigger-than-normal military honor guard, and review troops as he departs.
But the mix of public or private money makes little difference to the public, William and Mary's McGlennon suggests.
"They generally see the money involved in this as all being politics," he said. "There is an enormous amount of people willing to spend money on politics. And there is no question that this money is not being spent on a party, but being spent on politics."
Uneducated people? I thinks not. If anything, they're feeding the mouth that helps them.
All this is, is another example of how we are so seperated in this country. The rich flaunting their victory and the middle class and poor get to sit back, watch and comment. People like bush and those who support him are about "the show"...how does all of this look? Look how important we are!! We know they are not interested in the truth, so it must be about the presentation! Either way...elected PUBLIC SERVANTS should not act like this...showboating is not an attractive quality. A bigger person, or group of people would say thanks...but no thanks.
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InHiding23 wrote:
All this is, is another example of how we are so seperated in this country. The rich flaunting their victory and the middle class and poor get to sit back, watch and comment.
If you're talking about the 1% vs. 99% gap, then ok.
InHiding23 wrote:
People like bush and those who support him are about "the show"...how does all of this look?
Well, Clinton also had $27 million dollar extravaganzas, so I at least hope you're upset about that also.
InHiding23 wrote:
Look how important we are!!
To his campaign, they are. All campaigns have parties at the end to celebrate.
InHiding23 wrote:
We know they are not interested in the truth, so it must be about the presentation!
What truth?
InHiding23 wrote:
Either way...elected PUBLIC SERVANTS should not act like this...showboating is not an attractive quality. A bigger person, or group of people would say thanks...but no thanks.
Sorry man, but this just doesn't bother me in the slightest. It's a party paid for with private funds that, among other things, is for members of the military that served in the Middle East recently.
It IS a good ol' boy network, but it's not like Kerry or any other candidate wouldn't have done the same exact thing.
All this is, is another example of how we are so seperated in this country. The rich flaunting their victory and the middle class and poor get to sit back, watch and comment.
If you're talking about the 1% vs. 99% gap, then ok.
InHiding23 wrote:
People like bush and those who support him are about "the show"...how does all of this look?
Well, Clinton also had $27 million dollar extravaganzas, so I at least hope you're upset about that also.
InHiding23 wrote:
Look how important we are!!
To his campaign, they are. All campaigns have parties at the end to celebrate.
InHiding23 wrote:
We know they are not interested in the truth, so it must be about the presentation!
What truth?
InHiding23 wrote:
Either way...elected PUBLIC SERVANTS should not act like this...showboating is not an attractive quality. A bigger person, or group of people would say thanks...but no thanks.
Sorry man, but this just doesn't bother me in the slightest. It's a party paid for with private funds that, among other things, is for members of the military that served in the Middle East recently. It IS a good ol' boy network, but it's not like Kerry or any other candidate wouldn't have done the same exact thing.
Look, we can go back and forth about all of this and probably have some strong points on both sides...well, maybe. But it just bothers me when we have such a split among our own people and instead of trying to maybe "win over" a few of them (not me) they just rub it in their faces. And I'm sure you're right about Kerry taking advantage of this money as well and throwing huge parties...but it's not about him because he's not there. I just wish that ONE TIME someone would step up and set a good example and be a bit more aware of the message this behavior sends.
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InHiding23 wrote:
Look, we can go back and forth about all of this and probably have some strong points on both sides...well, maybe. But it just bothers me when we have such a split among our own people and instead of trying to maybe "win over" a few of them (not me) they just rub it in their faces. And I'm sure you're right about Kerry taking advantage of this money as well and throwing huge parties...but it's not about him because he's not there. I just wish that ONE TIME someone would step up and set a good example and be a bit more aware of the message this behavior sends.
Is this split between the 1% and 99% what bugs you? Or the red vs. blue split? Cause only the 1% and certain members of the military are going to the ball, not my neighbor who voted Bush.
Rich people have parties?
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