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Democrats bristle at Bush's push to confirm Bolton
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- On the same day President Bush promised a new bipartisan Washington, he began efforts to get two of his most controversial decisions approved before the Democrats take over Congress.
Bush on Thursday submitted the nomination of John Bolton as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, and said he would like to move forward on legislation to authorize the National Security Agency's domestic surveillance program.
Bush said he would like to see action on both issues before year's end. The Democratic-controlled Congress begins its term in January.
Bolton was appointed August 2005 during a Congressional recess. His appointment will expire in January unless the Senate confirms him -- and the probable next chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee says approval is unlikely.
Some Republicans are also against the Bolton nomination. Republican Sen. Lincoln Chafee, who was defeated in this week's election, also said he would block Bolton's nomination.
Last year Democrats launched a heated debate about Bolton.
They complained he gave the Senate false information when he failed to note on a questionnaire that he had been questioned by the department's inspector general as part of a joint inquiry by the State Department and CIA into allegations that Iraq attempted to obtain uranium from Niger in Africa.
The State Department formerly acknowledged the error in Bolton's statement.
Also, Sen. George Voinovich, R-Ohio, took to the floor and read a list of complaints by Bolton's subordinates who said he had a reputation of bullying his colleagues, taking facts out of context and exaggerating intelligence.
Carl Ford, the former chief of the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research, called Bolton "a quintessential kiss-up, kick-down sort of guy" and a "serial abuser" of subordinates.
Democratic Sen. Joe Biden is set to become the Foreign Relations Committee's chairman and control the agenda in January. "I see no point in considering Mr. Bolton's nomination again in the Foreign Relations Committee because regardless of what happens there, he is unlikely to be considered by the full Senate," he said.
It is unclear at the moment whether there will be enough votes for the Bolton nomination to move beyond the committee and to the full Senate.
The president Thursday also outlined some other issues he'd like to see Congress address before year's end, and had lunch with the likely new speaker of the House of Representatives, California Democrat Rep. Nancy Pelosi. (Transcript)
Among those issues are the Terrorist Surveillance Act of 2006, bipartisan energy legislation, trade legislation, a federal spending bill and an agreement with India on civilian nuclear technology.
The Terrorist Surveillance Act is likely to face stiff opposition in the Senate and House, as both parties have previously criticized the measure as unconstitutional.
The legislation would authorize the NSA to eavesdrop on phone calls between people in the United States and suspected terrorists overseas.
Before his lunch date with Pelosi, Bush lined up his Cabinet for a photo op and spoke to reporters about a new era of bipartisanship.
"We'll discuss the way forward for our country, and I'm going to tell them what I just told our Cabinet. It is our responsibility to put the elections behind us and work together on the great issues facing America," Bush said.
"The American people expect us to rise above partisan differences, and my administration will do its part."
I don't think he will be confirmed. Nor should he be. Find someone else, motherfucker! Someone a little less partisan. I think it'll be nice having the legislature tell the president what to do...
_________________ ...and then they made me their chief.
Controversial U.N. ambassador to step down POSTED: 12:16 p.m. EST, December 4, 2006
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Unable to win Senate confirmation, U.N. Ambassador John Bolton will step down when his temporary appointment expires within weeks, the White House said Monday.
Bolton's nomination has languished in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for more than a year, blocked by Democrats and several Republicans. Sen. Lincoln Chafee, a moderate Republican who lost in the midterm elections November 7 that swept Democrats to power in both houses of Congress, was adamantly opposed to Bolton.
Critics have questioned Bolton's brusque style and whether he could be an effective public servant who could help bring reform to the U.N. (Watch U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan access Ambassador Bolton's time at the U.N. )
President Bush, in a statement, said he was "deeply disappointed that a handful of United States senators prevented Ambassador Bolton from receiving the up or down vote he deserved in the Senate."
"They chose to obstruct his confirmation, even though he enjoys majority support in the Senate, and even though their tactics will disrupt our diplomatic work at a sensitive and important time," Bush said. "This stubborn obstructionism ill serves our country, and discourages men and women of talent from serving their nation."
Bush gave Bolton the job temporarily in August 2005, while Congress was in recess. Under that process, the appointment expires when Congress formally adjourns, no later than early January.
The White House resubmitted Bolton's nomination last month. But with Democrats capturing control of the next Congress, his chances of winning confirmation appeared slight. The incoming chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Democratic Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, said he saw "no point in considering Mr. Bolton's nomination again."
Bush stands by nominee despite opposition While Bush could not give Bolton another recess appointment, the White House was believed to be exploring other ways of keeping him in the job, perhaps by giving him a title other than ambassador. But Bolton informed the White House he intended to leave when his current appointment expires, White House deputy press secretary Dana Perino said.
Bush planned to meet with Bolton and his wife later Monday in the Oval Office.
Bush said he accepted Bolton's decision with deep regret.
"He served his country with extraordinary dedication and skill, assembling coalitions that addressed some of the most consequential issues facing the international community," the president said. "During his tenure, he articulately advocated the positions and values of the United States and advanced the expansion of democracy and liberty.
"Ambassador Bolton led the successful negotiations that resulted in unanimous Security Council resolutions regarding North Korea's military and nuclear activities. He built consensus among our allies on the need for Iran to suspend the enrichment and reprocessing of uranium," Bush added. "His efforts to promote the cause of peace in Darfur resulted in a peacekeeping commitment by the United Nations. He made the case for United Nations reform because he cares about the institution, and wants it to become more credible and effective."
Annan: 'Bolton did the job he was expected to do' Bolton, who pushed strongly for U.N. reform, has had strained relations with many in the U.N. Secretariat, led by Secretary-General Kofi Annan, and has repeatedly called for all top U.N. officials to leave when Annan steps down as U.N. chief on December 31 and is replaced by Ban Ki-moon.
"I think Ambassador Bolton did the job he was expected to do," Annan said Monday morning when asked about Bolton's resignation. "He came at a time when we had lots of tough issues from reform to issues on Iran and North Korea. I think as a representative of the U.S, givenment, he pressed ahead with the instructions he had been given and tried to work as effectively as he could."
As late as last month, Bush, through his top aides, said he would not relent in his defense of Bolton, despite unwavering opposition from Democrats who view Bolton as too combative for international diplomacy.
In a letter to Bush, dated last Friday, Bolton offered no reason for his decision. "After careful consideration, I have concluded that my service in your administration should end when the current recess appoint expires," Bolton wrote.
Controversial U.N. ambassador to step down POSTED: 12:16 p.m. EST, December 4, 2006
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Unable to win Senate confirmation, U.N. Ambassador John Bolton will step down when his temporary appointment expires within weeks, the White House said Monday.
Bolton's nomination has languished in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for more than a year, blocked by Democrats and several Republicans. Sen. Lincoln Chafee, a moderate Republican who lost in the midterm elections November 7 that swept Democrats to power in both houses of Congress, was adamantly opposed to Bolton.
Critics have questioned Bolton's brusque style and whether he could be an effective public servant who could help bring reform to the U.N. (Watch U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan access Ambassador Bolton's time at the U.N. )
President Bush, in a statement, said he was "deeply disappointed that a handful of United States senators prevented Ambassador Bolton from receiving the up or down vote he deserved in the Senate."
"They chose to obstruct his confirmation, even though he enjoys majority support in the Senate, and even though their tactics will disrupt our diplomatic work at a sensitive and important time," Bush said. "This stubborn obstructionism ill serves our country, and discourages men and women of talent from serving their nation."
Bush gave Bolton the job temporarily in August 2005, while Congress was in recess. Under that process, the appointment expires when Congress formally adjourns, no later than early January.
The White House resubmitted Bolton's nomination last month. But with Democrats capturing control of the next Congress, his chances of winning confirmation appeared slight. The incoming chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Democratic Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, said he saw "no point in considering Mr. Bolton's nomination again."
Bush stands by nominee despite opposition While Bush could not give Bolton another recess appointment, the White House was believed to be exploring other ways of keeping him in the job, perhaps by giving him a title other than ambassador. But Bolton informed the White House he intended to leave when his current appointment expires, White House deputy press secretary Dana Perino said.
Bush planned to meet with Bolton and his wife later Monday in the Oval Office.
Bush said he accepted Bolton's decision with deep regret.
"He served his country with extraordinary dedication and skill, assembling coalitions that addressed some of the most consequential issues facing the international community," the president said. "During his tenure, he articulately advocated the positions and values of the United States and advanced the expansion of democracy and liberty.
"Ambassador Bolton led the successful negotiations that resulted in unanimous Security Council resolutions regarding North Korea's military and nuclear activities. He built consensus among our allies on the need for Iran to suspend the enrichment and reprocessing of uranium," Bush added. "His efforts to promote the cause of peace in Darfur resulted in a peacekeeping commitment by the United Nations. He made the case for United Nations reform because he cares about the institution, and wants it to become more credible and effective."
Annan: 'Bolton did the job he was expected to do' Bolton, who pushed strongly for U.N. reform, has had strained relations with many in the U.N. Secretariat, led by Secretary-General Kofi Annan, and has repeatedly called for all top U.N. officials to leave when Annan steps down as U.N. chief on December 31 and is replaced by Ban Ki-moon.
"I think Ambassador Bolton did the job he was expected to do," Annan said Monday morning when asked about Bolton's resignation. "He came at a time when we had lots of tough issues from reform to issues on Iran and North Korea. I think as a representative of the U.S, givenment, he pressed ahead with the instructions he had been given and tried to work as effectively as he could."
As late as last month, Bush, through his top aides, said he would not relent in his defense of Bolton, despite unwavering opposition from Democrats who view Bolton as too combative for international diplomacy.
In a letter to Bush, dated last Friday, Bolton offered no reason for his decision. "After careful consideration, I have concluded that my service in your administration should end when the current recess appoint expires," Bolton wrote, "My mustache and I have been planning retirement extensively. We intend to open up a right wing think tank for bristly facial hair."
_________________ ...and then they made me their chief.
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Thrilling...Chavez being sweepingly re-elected into the Venezuelan Presidency, the Iraq Study Group releasing a report calling for gradual withdrawl from a poorly planned and spiralling war, and now Bolton quitting the UN ambassadorship. I'm sure Bush's week has already become a living hell and it's only Monday.
Unfortunately, it's so elementary, and the big time investors behind the drive in the stock market aren't so stupid. This isn't the false economy of 2000.
Thrilling...Chavez being sweepingly re-elected into the Venezuelan Presidency, the Iraq Study Group releasing a report calling for gradual withdrawl from a poorly planned and spiralling war, and now Bolton quitting the UN ambassadorship. I'm sure Bush's week has already become a living hell and it's only Monday.
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LeninFlux wrote:
glorified_version wrote:
Thrilling...Chavez being sweepingly re-elected into the Venezuelan Presidency, the Iraq Study Group releasing a report calling for gradual withdrawl from a poorly planned and spiralling war, and now Bolton quitting the UN ambassadorship. I'm sure Bush's week has already become a living hell and it's only Monday.
Just out of curiosity - do you want President Bush to not only look bad but to fail?
He's done a fine job of that himself
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LittleWing sometime in July 2007 wrote:
Unfortunately, it's so elementary, and the big time investors behind the drive in the stock market aren't so stupid. This isn't the false economy of 2000.
Thrilling...Chavez being sweepingly re-elected into the Venezuelan Presidency, the Iraq Study Group releasing a report calling for gradual withdrawl from a poorly planned and spiralling war, and now Bolton quitting the UN ambassadorship. I'm sure Bush's week has already become a living hell and it's only Monday.
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LeninFlux wrote:
glorified_version wrote:
LeninFlux wrote:
glorified_version wrote:
Thrilling...Chavez being sweepingly re-elected into the Venezuelan Presidency, the Iraq Study Group releasing a report calling for gradual withdrawl from a poorly planned and spiralling war, and now Bolton quitting the UN ambassadorship. I'm sure Bush's week has already become a living hell and it's only Monday.
Just out of curiosity - do you want President Bush to not only look bad but to fail?
He's done a fine job of that himself
Well, that's your opinion, but you dodged the question.
Why do you even have to ask me? It's such a loaded question.
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LittleWing sometime in July 2007 wrote:
Unfortunately, it's so elementary, and the big time investors behind the drive in the stock market aren't so stupid. This isn't the false economy of 2000.
Thrilling...Chavez being sweepingly re-elected into the Venezuelan Presidency, the Iraq Study Group releasing a report calling for gradual withdrawl from a poorly planned and spiralling war, and now Bolton quitting the UN ambassadorship. I'm sure Bush's week has already become a living hell and it's only Monday.
Just out of curiosity - do you want President Bush to not only look bad but to fail?
He's done a fine job of that himself
Well, that's your opinion, but you dodged the question.
Why do you even have to ask me? It's such a loaded question.
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Actually it's not. What I am driving at is that whether you are capable of putting your hatred for the man aside and wish for what is best for the country. It's a simple question, really.
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LeninFlux wrote:
glorified_version wrote:
LeninFlux wrote:
glorified_version wrote:
LeninFlux wrote:
glorified_version wrote:
Thrilling...Chavez being sweepingly re-elected into the Venezuelan Presidency, the Iraq Study Group releasing a report calling for gradual withdrawl from a poorly planned and spiralling war, and now Bolton quitting the UN ambassadorship. I'm sure Bush's week has already become a living hell and it's only Monday.
Just out of curiosity - do you want President Bush to not only look bad but to fail?
He's done a fine job of that himself
Well, that's your opinion, but you dodged the question.
Why do you even have to ask me? It's such a loaded question.
\
Actually it's not. What I am driving at is that whether you are capable of putting your hatred for the man aside and wish for what is best for the country. It's a simple question, really.
Hahaha, you back Bush and you seem to be indirectly stating that you hope for what is best for this country. I find that very amusing.
_________________ seen it all, not at all can't defend fucked up man take me a for a ride before we leave...
Rise. Life is in motion...
don't it make you smile? don't it make you smile? when the sun don't shine? (shine at all) don't it make you smile?
Thrilling...Chavez being sweepingly re-elected into the Venezuelan Presidency, the Iraq Study Group releasing a report calling for gradual withdrawl from a poorly planned and spiralling war, and now Bolton quitting the UN ambassadorship. I'm sure Bush's week has already become a living hell and it's only Monday.
Just out of curiosity - do you want President Bush to not only look bad but to fail?
He's done a fine job of that himself
Well, that's your opinion, but you dodged the question.
Why do you even have to ask me? It's such a loaded question.
\
Actually it's not. What I am driving at is that whether you are capable of putting your hatred for the man aside and wish for what is best for the country. It's a simple question, really.
Hahaha, you back Bush and you seem to be indirectly stating that you hope for what is best for this country. I find that very amusing.
Well, you are entitled to your opinion. I just find it hard to believe that some people who like to think of themselves as critical-thinkers and open-minded are also incapable of coming up with one thing that President Bush has done right during his Presidency.
Staying on topic, I think its a shame that Bolton is out. I didn't think he did a perfect job, but I liked the fact that he was firm in regards to vital issues that the UN has failed to act upon. The UN has yet to follow through with its resolutions, but that's another story.
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It would be a shame to lose the easiest-to-parody US governmental official.
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LeninFlux wrote:
glorified_version wrote:
LeninFlux wrote:
glorified_version wrote:
LeninFlux wrote:
glorified_version wrote:
Thrilling...Chavez being sweepingly re-elected into the Venezuelan Presidency, the Iraq Study Group releasing a report calling for gradual withdrawl from a poorly planned and spiralling war, and now Bolton quitting the UN ambassadorship. I'm sure Bush's week has already become a living hell and it's only Monday.
Just out of curiosity - do you want President Bush to not only look bad but to fail?
He's done a fine job of that himself
Well, that's your opinion, but you dodged the question.
Why do you even have to ask me? It's such a loaded question.
\
Actually it's not. What I am driving at is that whether you are capable of putting your hatred for the man aside and wish for what is best for the country. It's a simple question, really.
Which is, of course, contingent on one's belief that the cowboy's "success" is in the best interest of the country. Let's try not to spread that "he's the president, and therefore you should support him" nonsense.
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LeninFlux wrote:
jwfocker wrote:
LeninFlux wrote:
glorified_version wrote:
LeninFlux wrote:
glorified_version wrote:
LeninFlux wrote:
glorified_version wrote:
Thrilling...Chavez being sweepingly re-elected into the Venezuelan Presidency, the Iraq Study Group releasing a report calling for gradual withdrawl from a poorly planned and spiralling war, and now Bolton quitting the UN ambassadorship. I'm sure Bush's week has already become a living hell and it's only Monday.
Just out of curiosity - do you want President Bush to not only look bad but to fail?
He's done a fine job of that himself
Well, that's your opinion, but you dodged the question.
Why do you even have to ask me? It's such a loaded question.
\
Actually it's not. What I am driving at is that whether you are capable of putting your hatred for the man aside and wish for what is best for the country. It's a simple question, really.
Hahaha, you back Bush and you seem to be indirectly stating that you hope for what is best for this country. I find that very amusing.
Well, you are entitled to your opinion. I just find it hard to believe that some people who like to think of themselves as critical-thinkers and open-minded are also incapable of coming up with one thing that President Bush has done right during his Presidency.
Staying on topic, I think its a shame that Bolton is out. I didn't think he did a perfect job, but I liked the fact that he was firm in regards to vital issues that the UN has failed to act upon. The UN has yet to follow through with its resolutions, but that's another story.
Pardon me, but I seriously doubt you give a flying shit what is good for the country. You come off as a guy who only wants your man in power. You've already expressed the remarkable ability to turn the other way when Bush has fucked up on...well, a lot of issues. To say that you want what is good for this country is a confusing statement to me because well, it’s entirely subjective.
I’m not going to praise the man (Bush) for doing something right. He’s fucked up far too much to elicit even the slightest bit of praise from me and I’m not someone who respects someone in a high position just because they are in a high position. To me, you have to earn that respect and Bush has not done that.
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Rise. Life is in motion...
don't it make you smile? don't it make you smile? when the sun don't shine? (shine at all) don't it make you smile?
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LeninFlux wrote:
glorified_version wrote:
LeninFlux wrote:
glorified_version wrote:
LeninFlux wrote:
glorified_version wrote:
Thrilling...Chavez being sweepingly re-elected into the Venezuelan Presidency, the Iraq Study Group releasing a report calling for gradual withdrawl from a poorly planned and spiralling war, and now Bolton quitting the UN ambassadorship. I'm sure Bush's week has already become a living hell and it's only Monday.
Just out of curiosity - do you want President Bush to not only look bad but to fail?
He's done a fine job of that himself
Well, that's your opinion, but you dodged the question.
Why do you even have to ask me? It's such a loaded question.
\
Actually it's not. What I am driving at is that whether you are capable of putting your hatred for the man aside and wish for what is best for the country. It's a simple question, really.
Like I said, it was a loaded question. It seems I was right. And what you are saying is basically bullshit, assuming that I can't wish for what is best in the long term (for all people, not just Americans) without supporting the President of the United States.
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LittleWing sometime in July 2007 wrote:
Unfortunately, it's so elementary, and the big time investors behind the drive in the stock market aren't so stupid. This isn't the false economy of 2000.
Thrilling...Chavez being sweepingly re-elected into the Venezuelan Presidency, the Iraq Study Group releasing a report calling for gradual withdrawl from a poorly planned and spiralling war, and now Bolton quitting the UN ambassadorship. I'm sure Bush's week has already become a living hell and it's only Monday.
Just out of curiosity - do you want President Bush to not only look bad but to fail?
He's done a fine job of that himself
Well, that's your opinion, but you dodged the question.
Why do you even have to ask me? It's such a loaded question.
\
Actually it's not. What I am driving at is that whether you are capable of putting your hatred for the man aside and wish for what is best for the country. It's a simple question, really.
Like I said, it was a loaded question. It seems I was right. And what you are saying is basically bullshit, assuming that I can't wish for what is best in the long term (for all people, not just Americans) without supporting the President of the United States.
Now you are twisting what I am saying into knots. I am not saying that you have to agree with the President up and down his agenda...I don't. However, from many of your comments it seems that you would rather, for example, see the Iraq War fail rather than see the President's strategy succeed. Using Iraq as the example, it is the best in the long term for both the Iraqi people and the United States that our mission in Iraq to succeed. Is that agreeable to you, or would you rather see it fail and thus satisfy your desire to see President Bush fail?
Thrilling...Chavez being sweepingly re-elected into the Venezuelan Presidency, the Iraq Study Group releasing a report calling for gradual withdrawl from a poorly planned and spiralling war, and now Bolton quitting the UN ambassadorship. I'm sure Bush's week has already become a living hell and it's only Monday.
Just out of curiosity - do you want President Bush to not only look bad but to fail?
He's done a fine job of that himself
Well, that's your opinion, but you dodged the question.
Why do you even have to ask me? It's such a loaded question.
\
Actually it's not. What I am driving at is that whether you are capable of putting your hatred for the man aside and wish for what is best for the country. It's a simple question, really.
Hahaha, you back Bush and you seem to be indirectly stating that you hope for what is best for this country. I find that very amusing.
Well, you are entitled to your opinion. I just find it hard to believe that some people who like to think of themselves as critical-thinkers and open-minded are also incapable of coming up with one thing that President Bush has done right during his Presidency.
Staying on topic, I think its a shame that Bolton is out. I didn't think he did a perfect job, but I liked the fact that he was firm in regards to vital issues that the UN has failed to act upon. The UN has yet to follow through with its resolutions, but that's another story.
I’m not going to praise the man (Bush) for doing something right.
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LeninFlux wrote:
jwfocker wrote:
LeninFlux wrote:
jwfocker wrote:
LeninFlux wrote:
glorified_version wrote:
LeninFlux wrote:
glorified_version wrote:
LeninFlux wrote:
glorified_version wrote:
Thrilling...Chavez being sweepingly re-elected into the Venezuelan Presidency, the Iraq Study Group releasing a report calling for gradual withdrawl from a poorly planned and spiralling war, and now Bolton quitting the UN ambassadorship. I'm sure Bush's week has already become a living hell and it's only Monday.
Just out of curiosity - do you want President Bush to not only look bad but to fail?
He's done a fine job of that himself
Well, that's your opinion, but you dodged the question.
Why do you even have to ask me? It's such a loaded question.
\
Actually it's not. What I am driving at is that whether you are capable of putting your hatred for the man aside and wish for what is best for the country. It's a simple question, really.
Hahaha, you back Bush and you seem to be indirectly stating that you hope for what is best for this country. I find that very amusing.
Well, you are entitled to your opinion. I just find it hard to believe that some people who like to think of themselves as critical-thinkers and open-minded are also incapable of coming up with one thing that President Bush has done right during his Presidency.
Staying on topic, I think its a shame that Bolton is out. I didn't think he did a perfect job, but I liked the fact that he was firm in regards to vital issues that the UN has failed to act upon. The UN has yet to follow through with its resolutions, but that's another story.
I’m not going to praise the man (Bush) for doing something right.
Well there you go...blinded by hatred.
And what, exactly is he missing out on?
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