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Sounds like a Heavy Metal band name, but sadly is a true story.

Fuuuuuucked up. Do you think the girl should get off scott free?


Boy faces felony in baseball bat abortion

Law won't allow Macomb teen girl to be charged in helping end her pregnancy.

By Edward L. Cardenas and George Hunter / The Detroit News

RICHMOND TOWNSHIP - Macomb County Prosecutor Eric Smith said his hands were tied when it came time to decide whom to charge in the baseball bat beating death of a fetus being carried by a teenage girl.

He decided Tuesday to do the only thing one state statute allowed: charge the boyfriend who wielded the bat, hitting his girlfriend in the stomach repeatedly over a two-week period, but let the girl off the hook, uncharged.

The Richmond Township boy, 16, who may be arraigned as early as today in Macomb County Juvenile Court, is at home with his parents. He was charged as a juvenile with intentional conduct against a pregnancy or stillbirth, which is a felony. If convicted, he could remain in custody until age 21.

But the girl, also from Richmond - who was a willing participant in the induced abortion, law enforcement officials say - cannot be charged under that law because it specifically excludes the mother from criminal liability.

In part because it still was legal to abort the fetus, the decision renewed debate over the protection of fetuses and the fairness of charging just one of two juveniles who allegedly agreed to kill their unborn child.

Although Smith called the case "shocking and reprehensible," he added, "we are bound by the law. We don't have the option of charging (the girl)."

Smith said if the 6-month-old fetus had been viable, the boy would have been charged with manslaughter of a quick-born child, a 15-year felony.

The girl could have then also received the same charge for aiding and abetting.

Miranda Massie, a Detroit civil rights attorney, believes neither teen should be charged. "My heart went out to these poor kids," Massie said. "I believe it is a terrible mistake to be charged at all. This is a tremendous waste of public resources.

"What is Macomb County going to gain by criminal charges?"

She contacted the family of the boy to represent him. She believes that neither teen deserves to be charged.

Smith charged the boy under a state law passed in 1999 - called the "Prenatal Protection Act" - that states only the person assaulting a pregnant woman resulting in a miscarriage is criminally liable. The pregnant woman, no matter how complicit in the termination, is not.

If that provision had not been written into the statute, it would have clashed with the federal law that allows abortions under the landmark 1973 Roe v. Wade U.S Supreme Court decision, said Pam Sherstad, spokeswoman for Right to Life of Michigan, which worked to pass the 1999 state law.

"Abortion is obviously legal in the United States," Sherstad said, "and you can't have a state law that interferes with federal law. The Prenatal Protection Act was designed to protect pregnant women who are assaulted by someone resulting in the death of their unborn child. This is obviously a unique case."

Legally, the baby could have been aborted. Because the girl was a minor, she would have needed a judge's or parental permission to obtain an abortion.

Smith said he waited until final toxicology reports on the fetus were completed by the medical examiner to determine what charges could be brought against the 16-year-old boy. The prosecutor declined to identify the youth because because he is charged as a juvenile.

Arthur Caplan, professor of medical ethics at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia, believes the girl should be charged with planning, plotting or conspiring to murder.

"But it's tough to do, because the law takes a different view of developing potential life than it does of actual life," Caplan said. "If the boy was charged with murder she probably would be facing charges, too.

"But being involved in causing a miscarriage is not as severe as murder," Caplan said. "Ethically, you could argue that this seems wrong, but the law draws a sharp distinction between killing your child and a fetus that's not yet viable. That may strike some pro-life people and conservatives as wrong, but that's the way the law is now."

Sherstad said the case illustrates how "the sanctity of life is not valued in our culture. It's sad that human life can be discarded this way. There's no value on the life of an unborn child, which makes it easier for something like this to happen."

Lori Lamerand, vice president of the Planned Parenthood Mid-Michigan Alliance, said pregnant teens have safer options available than terminating a pregnancy without a doctor.

"It's always tragic when people resort to such drastic measures, when there are appropriate, safe medical measures are available," Lamerand said.

Both the boy and his girlfriend have returned to classes at Armada High School, said Arnold Kummerow, superintendent of Armada Area Schools.

Law enforcement officials were first made aware of the incident in mid-November, when the girl spoke about the series of events that led to the miscarriage while at a high school leadership conference in the Upper Peninsula. The adult facilitator of the conference contacted the Michigan State Police. Detectives from the state police Richmond Post investigated the claim, and went to the boyfriend's home, where they found the buried fetus.

An autopsy was consistent with initial reports from the Michigan State Police that the miscarriage was caused by the girl's boyfriend repeatedly striking her with a 22-inch souvenir baseball bat over a two-week period, Smith said.

The parents of the teens were not aware of the pregnancy or the decision to abort it, investigators said.

Police believe the fetus was aborted in early October, then buried in the back yard of the boyfriend's home with the help of his mother.

The fetus died of premature birth associated with trauma to the mother, according to chief Macomb County Medical Examiner Dr. Daniel Spitz.

The fetus could not have survived outside the womb at the time of miscarriage, he ruled.

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But what if they had parental consent?

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This is going to be an interesting case. I dont know if the girl is without fault in the matter but there are several other aspects that must be taken into account. I am seriously confused as to how no charges were brought against her but I do not know the nature of the case, perhaps it would have been impossible to prove that she intended to have an abortion by this admittedly barbaric means. The boyfriend is likely the only one who could testify against her.

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punkdavid wrote:
But what if they had parental consent?

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They would have used a coat hanger instead.

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This is going to be an interesting case. I dont know if the girl is without fault in the matter but there are several other aspects that must be taken into account. I am seriously confused as to how no charges were brought against her but I do not know the nature of the case, perhaps it would have been impossible to prove that she intended to have an abortion by this admittedly barbaric means. The boyfriend is likely the only one who could testify against her.


Basically what they said is that since abortion is legal in the state, they can't convict her. However, I would think only an approved medical abortion would be legal, otherwise it's manslaughter.

Not to mention she was 6 months pregnant. Just terrible.


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I have a few disconnected thoughts.

#1 - And these people NOT being parent's is bad WHY???

#2 - We can keep this technique in mind for when the Xtian right nut jobs take away women's rights.

#3 - This will be bad. If this case goes ahead, then it sets a precident. Now, every man who's mate gets an abortion will be under the risk of being dragged into court when said Xtain Right nut jobs don't like it when they find out their little girl had his abortion. "HE made me, Mama!!". Just watch. If he gets conviced, it'll happen.

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I'm no lawyer, but I thought that consent (the girl's) was a defense to battery, and therefore the boy shouldn't be charged.

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If safe, free abortions were more readily available to teenagers, this type of thing wouldn't happen.

I honestly don't have a problem with this, as long as it was consentual.

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If safe, free abortions were more readily available to teenagers


HA! I should be financing safe free abortions for teenagers why? Newsflash, we live in a society where teenagers cannot properly raise kids. It's nice to know that people like you exist in this country touting abortion as the best thing since sliced bread for teenaged girls. Now insert a long slew of disgusting side effects that you're prescribing for such teenage girls here too.

Maybe you should have said, "If proper education were made more readily available and they actually lived responsibly, there wouldn't be incidents such as this OR abortions.


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Absolutely repugnant. Disgusting people. I will admit it. I hate this kind of thing. I'm sure God finds it abhorrent as well.

However, it was their choice. Honestly, I don't think any charges should be made and followed through.

But this is a consequence to the oversexed world. Where's genuine love people? Do you really feel that it's found exclusively in the loins?

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Absolutely repugnant. Disgusting people. I will admit it. I hate this kind of thing. I'm sure God finds it abhorrent as well.

However, it was their choice. Honestly, I don't think any charges should be made and followed through.

But this is a consequence to the oversexed world. Where's genuine love people? Do you really feel that it's found exclusively in the loins?

God bless,

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I agree with Jared, for the first time ever I think.


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This is fuuuuuuucked up.

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If safe, free abortions were more readily available to teenagers


HA! I should be financing safe free abortions for teenagers why? Newsflash, we live in a society where teenagers cannot properly raise kids. It's nice to know that people like you exist in this country touting abortion as the best thing since sliced bread for teenaged girls. Now insert a long slew of disgusting side effects that you're prescribing for such teenage girls here too.

Maybe you should have said, "If proper education were made more readily available and they actually lived responsibly, there wouldn't be incidents such as this OR abortions.


Exactly. I am pro-choice but personally would never want my wife to have an abortion. I would in no way EVER want my tax dollars EVER going to free abortions. Especially teenagers.


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I'm no lawyer, but I thought that consent (the girl's) was a defense to battery, and therefore the boy shouldn't be charged.

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Im no lawyers but according to the law the mother wasnt the victim, it was the fetus (which could not give consent).

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If safe, free abortions were more readily available to teenagers, this type of thing wouldn't happen.

You're suggesting that the government pay for them? Or that private agencies pay for them via donations?


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These people sound like nothing but the purest of white trash.


I'm sure this will be used as a case for making abortion illegal

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punkdavid wrote:
I'm no lawyer, but I thought that consent (the girl's) was a defense to battery, and therefore the boy shouldn't be charged.

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Im no lawyers but according to the law the mother wasnt the victim, it was the fetus (which could not give consent).


I'm no lawyer, but a fetus isn't a person under the law, and therefore it was the mother's body that was assaulted, and therefore her consent to give or not.

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punkdavid wrote:
deathbyflannel wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
I'm no lawyer, but I thought that consent (the girl's) was a defense to battery, and therefore the boy shouldn't be charged.

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Im no lawyers but according to the law the mother wasnt the victim, it was the fetus (which could not give consent).


I'm no lawyer, but a fetus isn't a person under the law, and therefore it was the mother's body that was assaulted, and therefore her consent to give or not.

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I'm no lawyer, but the article was very clear that the charge was conduct against a pregnancy or stillbirth, so there are laws in this area against such things.

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