Fuck em. They're dumb asses for signing up, most of them probably barely made it out of high school, and nobody should feel sorry for stupid asses. They arent "defending our freedom," and helping to "rid the world of evil-doers," rather they are helping to recruit more terrorists and making the United States look like chumps.

Go back to school and get an education. Get a real occupation such as "Wall-Mart greater" or "Bojangles bisquit maker." Your in a war that will never be won, so come to grips and realize this now while you still young and have some dignity left.

So it IS true. There ARE Communists living here in VA.

Yes, I think their time would be better spent being indignant and bellicose on an internet message board, that is much more productive

"Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy." -Henry Kissinger

You should go down to your local recruiting office and discuss this with some of the guys working there. I'm sure they would like to hear your opinion.

Here's an idea: go buy eighteen pencils, sharpen them, then shove them up your ass.

This is in poor taste.

Our soldiers are as important as any other member of this society.

We all have jobs to do, from cobblers to soldiers to senators.

Everyone has something to do and should be expected to do it.

Those who do not, deserve your disdain.

But if the soldiers are doing their jobs, and they are, they are doing just fine.

Thats 3 cobblers in an afternoon, are your shoes in need of mending or do you just have a cobbler fetish?

Also this is beyond poor taste, at the very least you should respect the soldiers decision to enlist, for if they didn't we might be stuck with pretentious fucks like yourself in our military.

El Locko, por favor Senor Buggy.

I agree dbf, his post was WAY off.

And yes, I need my shoes fixed!!!

And to reiterate to all, I do not disrespect soldiers in the slightest. However, I do not raise them into higher esteem over everyone else who are responsible for doing a job for the country, state, city, neighborhood, company, corporation, farm, etc, etc, etc.

While I don't like the OP's condescending tone or lack of respect for other human beings with different viewpoints, he certainly has touched on some points that I do agree with.

Do I think it takes a certain kind of person to enlist in military service? Absolutely. Maybe adjectives like "courageous" and "patriotic" come to mind for most people but different adjectives come to mind for me.

Has the "war on terror" helped to secure our country? I think that indeed it has, but only in the short-term. Right now, there is a lot of anti-America sentiment brewing about, and while these people are in disarray right now because of our wars, I think it is only serving to foster more hatred and violence for the future.



http://www.theskyiscrape.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6655

You are aware that a lot of people in the military are there to get money for school, right?

This isn't free speech this is libel. Lets be serious for a moment, had he taken the time to frame his argument in a civil manner it might have warranted a similar response, but until this individual can behave tactfully I dont think he should be rewarded for his belligerency.

If someone was inclined to create a thread on the homosexual threat to the American way of life or something of a similar nature (perhaps anti-semetic) would you allow discussion of it as well?

I have no problem with the post. I disagree but he is expressing his opinion. Nothing wrong with that.

I think he is speaking out against the war in a very indirect way.

Rebuttal: Many soldiers (when they enlisted in ther reserves) were never expecting to be deployed. The Clinton years were a pretty safe time to count on your one weekend a month two weeks a year and nothing more. That has changed since the administration change but that is not the fault of those who enlisted.

By being in the millitary, they are not supporting (or diasagreeing with) the war. They are doing their job, regardless of their opinion, and that is commendable. There is a need for a military, even if there is no need for the war. No reason to criticize them for doing a necessary service.

This was from another thread, but I think it belongs here:

MitchCumstein wrote:
I totally see where you're coming from tsunami and agree with you for the most part. The only thing I can point out is that while morale is important in any job, grocers don't have half the country outraged at the fact that groceries are being bagged, if that analogy makes sense. The troops hear alot about how this war is unjustified (and I agree it is unjustified). So in a situation where it's life or death for these people, I don't mind seeing ribbons on things if it lets these guys know we don't hate them, we hate the war.

I wrote:
Thank you Mitch, and I truly understand where you are coming from as well.

I totally know the value of our military and not too many people expect them to do their job and do it well more than I.

I respect them, but I also respect all other forms of service and employment.

My argument, which was probably poorly worded (my own fault ) was that I believe some people have taken the support to a level in which it is muddying the waters of the circumstance. In times where there was a draft, such as WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, where citizens were ASKED or required to serve, the support argument held MUCH more water.

Those who served because they were asked and did so deserve the utmost respect and are heros.

Our modern day soldiers, while still garnishing our respect and performing heroically, are doing so as a professional force. Such professionalism is vital to our nation having a strong military. They are now soldiers who join out of their own volition and are paid to do so. That is commendable, but equally as commendable as a person who decides to fight fires, fight crime, mine, work in the ER, etc, etc.

The job of soldiering has become a profession of high skill and risk, similar to many other professions.

The notion that we are obligated to pray for the protection of our soldiers, or wish that they would not be put in harms way, is antiquated as a result of professionalism.

While we do not WANT people to be killed, we MUST accept that this is part of the job...and part of many other jobs out there as well.

These men and women are doing a job, just as surgeons do an important job as well.

Respect them, but one can choose to support or not support them and still be a patriot.

They are doing a paid job of their choice.

[quote="ericd102"]I have no problem with the post. I disagree but he is expressing his opinion. Nothing wrong with that.

I think he is speaking out against the war in a very indirect way.

Rebuttal: Many soldiers (when they enlisted in ther reserves) were never expecting to be deployed. The Clinton years were a pretty safe time to count on your one weekend a month two weeks a year and nothing more.



Of course the Clinton years were safe....he didn't do anything which brings us to the present.

As to the "supposed" human that started this socialist post. I would like to implore what YOU do for a living?

I thought this thread was in response to tsunami's posts in another thread, where she was saying that soldiers shouldn't be supported or not supported anymore than anyone doing any other job. Pretty much what I'm saying is that I thought he just forgot the at the end of his rant, and that this whole thread was just a shot at tsunami. That's why I thought it called for a lockdown.

There will always be terrorists. It doesn't matter if we (the US) or anybody else for that matter stands up to them. We do not make them terrorists...they in their own mind DECIDE to fuck with other people. And until you get off your high and mighty horse there is no point in trying to have an actual intelligent conversation with you.

There really wasn't anything too far off base in eric's post.

Please keep this from getting personal.