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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:50 pm 
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I'm gonna rank who I think is the best, but this could also be considered "favorites" I guess. Talking about guys who are fighting today:

Heavyweight:

1. CRO COP (this guy is my fucking idol, what a machine)
2. Fedor Emilianenko
3. Andrei Orlovski
4. Snowman (a personal favorite but I know he can't stand up to taller heavier strikers)
5. Sergei Kharitonov

Light Heavyweight:

1. Chuck Liddell
2. Shogun
3. Forrest Griffin
4. Michael Bisping
5. W. Silva

Middleweight:

1. Don't care, no depth in this weightclass.

Welterweight:

1. GSP
2. Dan Henderson
3. Jon Fitch
4. Matt Hughes
5. Caro Parisian



Also I found this a bit earlier, it is pretty recent:

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Speculation has run rampant for the past couple of weeks that Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic, ranked #2 in MMAWeekly’s top ten heavyweights, was going to leave Pride for the Ultimate Fighting Championship. It now appears that the speculation is true.

Sources from within Filipovic’s camp and an independent source in Las Vegas have confirmed to MMAWeekly that the Pride Open Weight Grand Prix champion has indeed made the decision to move on to the UFC.

As reported last week on MMAWeekly.com, a statement released on Filipovic’s own web site indicated that a decision was near and that the UFC was a distinct option, “…the bottom line is that Cro Cop likely won't have his chance to fight Fedor for the title in the next few months. With that said, it's perfectly reasonable for Mirko to consider other offers.” The statement continued, “…the most interesting offers are coming from the US," and also said, “The offer from the UFC is actually in Cro Cop's hands.”

The statement also hinted that the Croatian MMA star was ready to leave Pride: “Is Cro Cop seriously considering making his UFC appearance? Let's say that Mirko is always open to new challenges and he is looking forward to his U.S. debut, which will happen very soon.”

Of course, with Pride starting to run shows in America, his U.S. debut could have possibly taken place under either banner, but his own camp has confirmed that he expects to make that debut in the UFC.

Our sources have not confirmed whether there is an agreement in principle between Filipovic and the UFC, or whether he has actually signed a contract with America’s largest mixed martial arts promoter.

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Didn't matt hughes get destroyed by about 10 knees to the face about a month ago?

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Nah, he got killed by some really well-timed strikes and then anticipating more body/leg kicks after taking some brutal ones. Then getting kicked upside the head and smashed in the face afterwards helped. There were no knees involved.

A lot of people will still think Hughes is number 2 or even 1 but I think he is getting old and good strikers will catch up to him. GSP is so ahead of the pack imo I don't think any welterweight can touch him right now. I think he could beat any UFC 185er too. Hughes is still good enough to be on a top 5 list though.

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cro-cop lost to fedor just a little while ago. he definitely isn't better...

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Crocop going to the UFC is going to be huge. A fight against Arlovski will be killer. Two of the best strikers in MMA.

As for best fighters in mma? There is no argument against Fedor being the greatest in the world currently, and probably the greatest fighter ever. But p4p, I'd go with BJ Penn. If he can work on his cardio, he'd be able to have whatever title he wants.


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GSP has Serra in February. Then Hughes in April.

Did anyone catch Dirty Sanchez mandhandling Joe Riggs? They pretty much have to put him against one of the top 3 welterweights next.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that UFC also has Rampage coming in soon. They're looking to get Lindland and tanner back as well to add a little depth to middleweights. Cro Cop going to UFC is incredible for the promotion.


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GSP has Serra in February. Then Hughes in April.

Did anyone catch Dirty Sanchez mandhandling Joe Riggs? They pretty much have to put him against one of the top 3 welterweights next.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that UFC also has Rampage coming in soon. They're looking to get Lindland and tanner back as well to add a little depth to middleweights. Cro Cop going to UFC is incredible for the promotion.


UFC just bought WFA so most fighters contracted there will now be fighting in the UFC. Rampage looks to be one of them. A Bas Rutten return is also possible.

I feel for Joe Riggs. He seems like a great guy, who trains hard for every fight, but is just a step under the rest of the competition. This Sanchez fight was his last real chance at being one of the top guys, and he couldn't get it done. Shocking though, that he got knocked out. Who ever would've thought that Sanchez would out-strike a great, great striker like Riggs?

Ideally, Sanchez will fight BJ in February or March, and winner gets a title shot. I'd like to see BJ fight on a fight night or something before that though... isn't there one in January?


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I'll admit Fedor is better than Cro Cop, to be honest a rematch right now would probably turn out the same as the first fight. Still, Cro Cop is fucking awesome, easily my favorite fighter. I'm actually putting together a video of a bunch of his fights and KOs with some cool music, I'll post it when I'm done.

I think he would take out Arlovski in the first round. I think he would do even better against Sylvia. I fucking hate Sylvia and his fat ass, I hope someone destroys him and noone better to do that than Cro Cop.

Pound for pound best fighter I would say is GSP. BJ Penn has so much potential but he is really a jerk off and I get the strong impression he either doesn't care or doesn't work very hard. Matt Sherk the Muscle Shark is also a badass, he is damn good pound for pound. He fucking destroyed "Ken-flow" in the LW title match. I was pissed that Ken-flow even won a round on the judges score card, the only damage he did was that one elbow that happened to cut open Shark. The rest of the time he got owned.

I don't know about Riggs. I liked him, but I agree that he is done. Not only did he get wrecked by Sanchez, he has lost all of his fights recently really fast. He needs to take a hard look at what he is doing if he wants to continue. Sanchez is good no doubt about it, but he hasn't fought a truly top tier opponent yet and I think BJ Penn stands a good chance at beating him. Right now, GSP would rip him a new one. Especially considering the difference in their conditioning.

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Also, when the fuck are we gonna see Lidell vs. Silva? That will be the fight of a lifetime imo.

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GSP has Serra in February. Then Hughes in April.

Did anyone catch Dirty Sanchez mandhandling Joe Riggs? They pretty much have to put him against one of the top 3 welterweights next.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that UFC also has Rampage coming in soon. They're looking to get Lindland and tanner back as well to add a little depth to middleweights. Cro Cop going to UFC is incredible for the promotion.


UFC just bought WFA so most fighters contracted there will now be fighting in the UFC. Rampage looks to be one of them. A Bas Rutten return is also possible.

I feel for Joe Riggs. He seems like a great guy, who trains hard for every fight, but is just a step under the rest of the competition. This Sanchez fight was his last real chance at being one of the top guys, and he couldn't get it done. Shocking though, that he got knocked out. Who ever would've thought that Sanchez would out-strike a great, great striker like Riggs?

Ideally, Sanchez will fight BJ in February or March, and winner gets a title shot. I'd like to see BJ fight on a fight night or something before that though... isn't there one in January?

I would assume there is a card in January. I don't know though. But check this out:

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Just twenty-four hours after announcing that newly-crowned UFC Welterweight Champion Georges St. Pierre would defend his title in his native Montreal on April 7 against the man he'd just wrested the belt from, UFC president Dana White wasn't so sure the mega match would happen then himself.

"I'm hearing word back that [Matt] Hughes might want to wait," White told the press Wednesday following the highly-successful UFC Fight Night, held at the Marine Corps Air Station Miramar in San Diego, California.

In the last week, the word has become more definitive.

"After discussing the future with Matt, it was agreed that it would be in his best interests to take a fight in between a rematch with St. Pierre," Hughes' longtime manager Monte Cox said this morning. "This way, he would have more time to train specific skills that would give him a better chance at winning back the title."

Cox said Hughes would prefer to fight on March 3's UFC 68 card in Columbus, Ohio, a bit closer to his Illinois farm roots, then take the rubber match with St. Pierre at a later time. Champion St. Pierre is scheduled to face "The Ultimate Fighter" season four winner Matt Serra at UFC 67 in Las Vegas on Feb. 3.

"We're going to Montreal in April no matter what," reinforced White of the promotion's Northern debut, suggesting last week that Hughes could match up with undefeated welterweight contender Diego Sanchez next.

Hughes' manager Cox acknowledged that talks are still ongoing. Both White and St. Pierre were initially unavailable for comment today.

Source: thefightnetwork.com


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Good. I want to see Sanchez get his face smashed in by Hughes. And if Sanchez wins he might actually deserve some of the credit he has been getting recently. That will be a fun fight either way.

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jimmac24 wrote:
Didn't matt hughes get destroyed by about 10 knees to the face about a month ago?


Turns out this was Rich Franklin when Fighting Anderson Silva. I got all mixed up.

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Alright, here are my top 5 contenders for each weight in UFC. I'll do PRIDE later (speaking of which, I haven't seen Shockwave '06 yet, so don't spoil it for me :) )

Heavyweight champ - Tim Sylvia
1. Mirko Cro Cop
2. Andrei Arlovski
3. Jeff Monson
4. Brandon Vera
5. Gabriel Gonzaga
I'm sure no one is gonna give me shit for putting Cro Cop at #1, even though he hasn't fought for UFC yet. Arlovski is the next best, despite his disappointing title loss. Vera is still undefeated, taking out Mir and Assuerio Silva in impressive fashion, and would likely be next in line for a title shot if Cro Cop wasn't in the picture. Gonzaga is 3-0 in the octagon with a very nice submission victory over (then undefeated) Carmello Marerro.

Light Heavyweight champ - Chuck Liddell
1. Quinton Jackson
2. Tito Ortiz
3. Renato Sobral
4. Rashad Evans
5. Keith Jardine
Sorry, Tito. But sloppy wins over Griffin and Cote on top of a pair of poundings on a past-his-prime Shamrock don't warrant a spot over Jackson. Rampage is coming off a huge win over Matt Lindland, and he is one of three men who can say he has defeated Chuck Liddell. Tito still gets the nod over Babalu for giving Chuck a better fight. I'm giving Rashad the #4 spot for taking out Stephen Bonnar (whcih Jardine was unable to do), plus he holds a victory (yea...it was on the reality show, but a win is a win) over Jardine. I really want to put Bisping at #4, but let's face it...he may be undefeated, but he hasn't fought anything close to A-level competition.

Middleweight champ - Anderson Silva
1. Rich Franklin
2. Mike Swick
3. Nathan Marquardt
4. David Terrell
5. David Louiseau
Swick has been on a tear. He is now 5-0 in the octagon, and his decision over Louiseau was arguably more impressive than Franklin's. Marquardt is 3-0 for the UFC, and he is currently on a 5-win streak. I might've ranked Terrell over Marquardt, but injuries and illnesses have kept him to two fights in the past two years. But still...his only octagon loss thus far was to Evan Tanner for the title, and he holds two solid victories over Lindland and Scott Smith. I considered Jason MacDonald for the #5 spot, but Louiseau has beaten better competition in the past couple of years, despite his recent back-to-back losses (against the top two in the division). MacDonald is the real deal, though. I look forward to his next fight.

Welterweight champ - Georges St. Pierre
1. Matt Hughes
2. BJ Penn
3. Diego Sanchez
4. Karo Parisyan
5. Jon Fitch
This is pretty cut and dry. Hughes is still #1 for beating Penn when they last fought, plus he was able to defeat GSP in their first meeting. Diego is still undefeated with solid wins over Parisyan, Diaz and Riggs. Jon Fitch has won his last 11 fights, and there is no reason his next fight shouldn't be against one of the guys I have ranked ahead of him, or at the very least, Josh Koscheck - who is bubbling under the top 5. I would like to see him fight either Fitch or Diaz next.

Lightweight champ - Sean Sherk
1. Joe Stevenson
2. Kenny Florian
3. Hermes Franca
4. Spencer Fisher
5. Melvin Guillard
Difficult to rank since the division is just starting to revive itself. Since dropping to LW, Stevenson is 2-0 (both against excellent opponents in Yves Edwards and Doko Mishima). Florian holds a superb upset-win over Sam Stout, and his only losses are a tough battle with the current champ, and a KO at not one, but two weight classes higher. Franca is on a 7-win streak, and he has a pivotal bout with Spencer Fisher scheduled next month, but he hasn't beaten the competition that Stevenson or Florian have. Fisher is 4-1 in the octagon, and (like Stevenson) Guillard is looking very impressive, and is 2-0 snce his drop to LW. I expect Din Thomas will soon be in the mix.


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after watching that cro cop video I have to say he is one bad mofo and seems like a very likeable guy who I will root for.

As fas as him vs Liddel, seems like you just have to be able to defend against those brutal kicks to have a chance. He does seem like a relentless maniac with an unbelievable motor. I bet if they fought one would knock the other out, would seem to be a battle of whoever landed a big hit. I guess if I knew more about their chins I'd be able to give a better opinion.

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Cro Cop would fucking ruin Chuck. There is no way a LHW with beanpole legs like Chuck would stand up to those leg kicks. 2-3 of them and Chuck would be limping, and then a head kick would finish him off. Most of the HWs Cro Cop fights can actually withstand his leg kicks to an extent, though I'm sure they still hurt like hell.

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Cro Cop would fucking ruin Chuck. There is no way a LHW with beanpole legs like Chuck would stand up to those leg kicks. 2-3 of them and Chuck would be limping, and then a head kick would finish him off. Most of the HWs Cro Cop fights can actually withstand his leg kicks to an extent, though I'm sure they still hurt like hell.


Yeah, Chuck wouldn't stand a chance against Cro-Cop.

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We need to start a general MMA thread where we talk about everything. There's not much of us on RM, so it would make sense...no?


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We need to start a general MMA thread where we talk about everything. There's not much of us on RM, so it would make sense...no?


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We need to start a general MMA thread where we talk about everything. There's not much of us on RM, so it would make sense...no?


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