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N Korea helping Iran with nuclear testing
By Con Coughlin

North Korea is helping Iran to prepare an underground nuclear test similar to the one Pyongyang carried out last year.

Under the terms of a new understanding between the two countries, the North Koreans have agreed to share all the data and information they received from their successful test last October with Teheran's nuclear scientists.

North Korea provoked an international outcry when it successfully fired a bomb at a secret underground location and Western intelligence officials are convinced that Iran is working on its own weapons programme.

A senior European defence official told The Daily Telegraph that North Korea had invited a team of Iranian nuclear scientists to study the results of last October's underground test to assist Teheran's preparations to conduct its own — possibly by the end of this year.

There were unconfirmed reports at the time of the Korean firing that an Iranian team was present. Iranian military advisers regularly visit North Korea to participate in missile tests.

Now the long-standing military co-operation between the countries has been extended to nuclear issues.

advertisementAs a result, senior western military officials are deeply concerned that the North Koreans' technical superiority will allow the Iranians to accelerate development of their own nuclear weapon.

"The Iranians are working closely with the North Koreans to study the results of last year's North Korean nuclear bomb test," said the European defence official.

"We have identified increased activity at all of Iran's nuclear facilities since the turn of the year," he said.

"All the indications are that the Iranians are working hard to prepare for their own underground nuclear test."

The disclosure of the nuclear co-operation between North Korea and Iran comes as Teheran seems set on a collision course with the West over its nuclear programme, although it insists it is entirely peaceful.

Both countries were named in President George W Bush's famous "axis of evil" State of the Union speech in 2002.

The United Nations Security Council has unanimously authorised the imposition of "smart" sanctions against Iran.

This is because of its refusal to suspend its uranium enrichment programme, which most Western intelligence agencies believe is part of a clandestine nuclear weapons programme.

France expressed concern yesterday over an Iranian decision to bar 38 UN nuclear inspectors from Iran, claiming that Teheran appeared to be singling out westerners from the inspection team.

Intelligence estimates vary about how long it could take Teheran to produce a nuclear warhead. But defence officials monitoring the growing co-operation between North Korea and Iran believe the Iranians could be in a position to test fire a low-grade device — less than half a kiloton — within 12 months.

The precise location of the Iranian test site is unknown, but is likely to be located in a mountainous region where it is difficult for spy satellites to pick up any unusual activity.

Teheran successfully concealed the existence of several key nuclear sites — including the controversial Natanz uranium enrichment complex — until their locations were disclosed by Iranian dissidents three years ago.

Western intelligence agencies have reported an increase in the number of North Korean and Iranian scientists travelling between the two countries.

The increased co-operation on nuclear issues began last November when a team of Iranian nuclear scientists met their North Korean counterparts to study the technical and political implications of Pyongyang's nuclear test.

The Iranians are reported to have been encouraged by the fact that no punitive action was taken against North Korea, despite the international outcry that greeted the underground firing.

This has persuaded the Iranian regime to press ahead with its own nuclear programme with the aim of testing a low-grade device, which would be difficult for international inspectors to detect.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... iran24.xml


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Iran: Israel, US will soon die
Ahmadinejad: Be assured that the US and Israel will soon end lives

Yaakov Lappin
Published: 01.23.07, 22:24

Israel and the United States will soon be destroyed, Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday during a meeting with Syria's foreign minister, the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB) said in a report.

"Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad… assured that the United States and the Zionist regime of Israel will soon come to the end of their lives," the Iranian president was quoted as saying.

"Sparking discord among Muslims, especially between the Shiites and Sunnis, is a plot hatched by the Zionists and the US for dominating regional nations and looting their resources," Ahmadinejad added, according to the report.

The Iranian president also directly tied events in Lebanon to a wider plan aimed at Israel's destruction. He called on "regional countries" to "support the Islamic resistance of the Lebanese people and strive to enhance solidarity and unity among the different Palestinian groups in a bid to pave the ground for the undermining of the Zionist regime whose demise is, of course, imminent."

Ahmadinejad has threatened the State of Israel with annihilation several times in recent months, and has recently added the US and Britain to the list of countries he says will be destroyed.

Syria's Foreign Minister, Wailed Mualem, accused the US of attempting to carry out a "massacre of Muslims" and of sowing "discord among Islamic faiths in the region."

Mualem called on "regional states to pave the ground for the establishment of peace and tranquillity… while preventing further genocide of the Muslims," the IRIB website said.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 54,00.html


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Syria's Foreign Minister, Wailed Mualem, accused the US of attempting to carry out a "massacre of Muslims" and of sowing "discord among Islamic faiths in the region."


i found this part funny

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LeninFlux wrote:
Syria's Foreign Minister, Wailed Mualem, accused the US of attempting to carry out a "massacre of Muslims" and of sowing "discord among Islamic faiths in the region."


i found this part funny


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I'm curious as to how the educated in those countries can stand to watch the state news without gouging their eyes out and puncturing their ear drums. I can't even stand the State of the Union speech, and these strongman press releases have to have at least 50% more bullshit in them.

Lets be honest here people, the U.S. is an equal opportunity massacre-er. We don't give a damn who's getting killed as long as we're fairly certain they're against us - we don't care who they're for or what sect they belong to. :P


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Iran has no idea what the German led eu is going to do to it.
They wont pussyfoot around likeamerica is.The sad news is god will use Germany to correct us & make us repent as a nation.


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LeninFlux wrote:
Syria's Foreign Minister, Wailed Mualem, accused the US of attempting to carry out a "massacre of Muslims" and of sowing "discord among Islamic faiths in the region."


i found this part funny


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I'm curious as to how the educated in those countries can stand to watch the state news without gouging their eyes out and puncturing their ear drums. I can't even stand the State of the Union speech, and these strongman press releases have to have at least 50% more bullshit in them.

Lets be honest here people, the U.S. is an equal opportunity massacre-er. We don't give a damn who's getting killed as long as we're fairly certain they're against us - we don't care who they're for or what sect they belong to. :P


So we "massacre" people, eh?
What's amusing about this assertion is that the lack of engaging the enemy with a heavy hand is part of the reason why Iraq is as troubled as it is right now. If we were the "massacre" type, we would have carpet-bombed Anbar Province and Sadr City and solved a lot of problems. But we won't because the U.S. is a noble, moral country. This may get in the way of fighting a war efficiently, but participating in "massacres" is just not what we do.


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I dont agree with the "Axis of Evil" expression, but Iran and NK are really fucked up countries, i have been reading about human rights on Iran...and the articles left me depressed

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I dont agree with the "Axis of Evil" expression, but Iran and NK are really fucked up countries, i have been reading about human rights on Iran...and the articles left me depressed


I think the "Axis of Evil" label should be applied to the governments of these countries, not the citizens. From what I've read, the North Korean people live in a completely oppressed society and the Iranian people have strong, opposing views to that of their governments.


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Iran has no idea what the German led eu is going to do to it.
They wont pussyfoot around likeamerica is.The sad news is god will use Germany to correct us & make us repent as a nation.


you're still on this whole german thing? germany isnt going to do shit.

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Iran has no idea what the German led eu is going to do to it.
They wont pussyfoot around likeamerica is.The sad news is god will use Germany to correct us & make us repent as a nation.


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i dont see how you people dont know how dangerous times are. You have a mad man from Iran who is about to get his hands on nuclear weapons. & like churchill warned & warned but no one listened it took bombs to wake them up, they didnt believe Hitler & sadly this generation has no Churchill.we dont see the threat.
This iran madman believes he has to start a nuclear attack for his god to return.But no one believes him. I reckon its like 1938 all over again.
I believe their will be a German Dictator to soon appear he will get their the dishonourable awy & take control of the EU & HAVE STRONG RELATIONSHIP WITH THE VATICASN, REMEMBER THE pope is german & they feel the threat from Islam.
Their is a lot of anger in Europe they dont like Islam down their throats.
When this new dictator arrives the bible says the king of the south will push at him(stir him), but Germant will counter with dramatic results make a mess of the middle east then betray America, Israel Britain & alliesand attack them, but tiding out of the east shall worry them (Russia & china & allies) soon after Christ will return


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i dont see how you people dont know how dangerous times are. You have a mad man from Iran who is about to get his hands on nuclear weapons. & like churchill warned & warned but no one listened it took bombs to wake them up, they didnt believe Hitler & sadly this generation has no Churchill.we dont see the threat.
This iran madman believes he has to start a nuclear attack for his god to return.But no one believes him. I reckon its like 1938 all over again.
I believe their will be a German Dictator to soon appear he will get their the dishonourable awy & take control of the EU & HAVE STRONG RELATIONSHIP WITH THE VATICASN, REMEMBER THE pope is german & they feel the threat from Islam.
Their is a lot of anger in Europe they dont like Islam down their throats.
When this new dictator arrives the bible says the king of the south will push at him(stir him), but Germant will counter with dramatic results make a mess of the middle east then betray America, Israel Britain & alliesand attack them, but tiding out of the east shall worry them (Russia & china & allies) soon after Christ will return


are you sure you don't mean nostradamus

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Syria's Foreign Minister, Wailed Mualem, accused the US of attempting to carry out a "massacre of Muslims" and of sowing "discord among Islamic faiths in the region."


i found this part funny


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I'm curious as to how the educated in those countries can stand to watch the state news without gouging their eyes out and puncturing their ear drums. I can't even stand the State of the Union speech, and these strongman press releases have to have at least 50% more bullshit in them.

Lets be honest here people, the U.S. is an equal opportunity massacre-er. We don't give a damn who's getting killed as long as we're fairly certain they're against us - we don't care who they're for or what sect they belong to. :P


So we "massacre" people, eh?
What's amusing about this assertion is that the lack of engaging the enemy with a heavy hand is part of the reason why Iraq is as troubled as it is right now. If we were the "massacre" type, we would have carpet-bombed Anbar Province and Sadr City and solved a lot of problems. But we won't because the U.S. is a noble, moral country. This may get in the way of fighting a war efficiently, but participating in "massacres" is just not what we do.


This was a joking response to the above quote by Mr Mualem. Its pretty clear that Iran is supporting Shia militias, who actually do massacre other muslims daily. Its just funny that he claims the U.S. is being partisan in the Sunni-Shiite conflict when Iran is helping to lead the charge towards spiraling sectarian conflict.


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i dont see how you people dont know how dangerous times are. You have a mad man from Iran who is about to get his hands on nuclear weapons. & like churchill warned & warned but no one listened it took bombs to wake them up, they didnt believe Hitler & sadly this generation has no Churchill.we dont see the threat.
This iran madman believes he has to start a nuclear attack for his god to return.But no one believes him. I reckon its like 1938 all over again.
I believe their will be a German Dictator to soon appear he will get their the dishonourable awy & take control of the EU & HAVE STRONG RELATIONSHIP WITH THE VATICASN, REMEMBER THE pope is german & they feel the threat from Islam.
Their is a lot of anger in Europe they dont like Islam down their throats.
When this new dictator arrives the bible says the king of the south will push at him(stir him), but Germant will counter with dramatic results make a mess of the middle east then betray America, Israel Britain & alliesand attack them, but tiding out of the east shall worry them (Russia & china & allies) soon after Christ will return


Sorry to inform you, bub, but your Christ is dead; have fun waiting the rest of your life for him. He ain't gonna show.

Get your crackpot Pentecostal shit out of this thread.


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Sorry to inform you, bub, but your Christ is dead; have fun waiting the rest of your life for him. He ain't gonna show.

Get your crackpot Pentecostal shit out of this thread.



Well i happen to believe in Christ & you will one day to.But he wont force you to.I hope for your sake you start to see the coming dangers.


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i cant believe even the bbc we have ww3 on our door steps & what is their top news stories BIG BROTHER, God help us.
Most people dont see the coming danger.

I have said fora long time Iran will lead this world into ww3 long before their leader called for Israel to be wiped off the map. I just hope people see this.


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Sorry to inform you, bub, but your Christ is dead; have fun waiting the rest of your life for him. He ain't gonna show.

Get your crackpot Pentecostal shit out of this thread.



Well i happen to believe in Christ & you will one day to.But he wont force you to.I hope for your sake you start to see the coming dangers.


Yeah, even the demons believe and tremble, all will kneel, etc. etc. Let's halt and save it for the religion thread, k? And for the record, I'm not antagonistic to all forms of Christianity as such, just the strange-o Jack Van Impe stuff you've put up. There have been people who were just as sure - if not more sure - of the end of the world than all of you are since right after the time of Christ.

Sorry about the attack; let's just focus on the subject matter at hand.

Iran is more unstable politically than Germany was in 1938. If shit gets worse than it is, with more and more people disappearing in the night and pits of Jews or heretic Muslims/Christians or all of that, there might be enough of a collapse in this country to basically allow the U.S. to run over it easily with a force that wouldn't even need to rely on a draft.

Korea is the one to worry about.


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i cant believe even the bbc we have ww3 on our door steps & what is their top news stories BIG BROTHER, God help us.
Most people dont see the coming danger.

I have said fora long time Iran will lead this world into ww3 long before their leader called for Israel to be wiped off the map. I just hope people see this.


so your solution is to start ww3 by bombing the shit out of iran? thats not iran starting ww3 but you.

people have been saying the world is gonna end for centuries. people always think the current time is 'the worst its ever been'.

call me in 30 years when china becomes a rival superpower, then we'll have problems.

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Iran has no idea what the German led eu is going to do to it.
They wont pussyfoot around likeamerica is.The sad news is god will use Germany to correct us & make us repent as a nation.


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Sorry about the attack; let's just focus on the subject matter at hand.


No offense taking hey its debate, though i believe the return of christ is the best news we could ever hear.

I ask you this one question how do you stop suicide bombers with nuclear devices, i mean these devices can wipe out New York, London, Sydney in a blink of an eye, & iran are about to get their hands on them & this Iran leader has openly said he will destroy you me USA, iSRAEL. But it seems not many believe him, hitler was saying the same things when he came to powre it took bombs to wake them up.
Id say you better start believing him & see the dangers you may need protection.


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davejeni wrote:
Iran has no idea what the German led eu is going to do to it.
They wont pussyfoot around likeamerica is.The sad news is god will use Germany to correct us & make us repent as a nation.


you're still on this whole german thing? germany isnt going to do shit.



they could always send a harshly worded letter.

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