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Published on Sunday, January 9, 2005 by the San Francisco Chronicle

Do SUVs Make You Stupid?
Pointless, dangerous and vain as ever, land tanks still sell millions. Only one explanation possible

by Mark Morford

Maybe stupid is too strong a word.

Maybe it's more like willful ignorance. More like intentional blindness. More like a calm and conscious denial in the face of a staggering stack of overwhelming facts that if you looked at for even one minute would prove that land tanks are some of the most overrated and silly and harmful and utterly pointless vehicles on the planet.

OK, maybe stupid is the right word.

Because there really is no other explanation for the still-roaring success of the land tank. Still no other explanation for their bizarre popularity, for the fact that, according to the Census Bureau and despite California's legendary rep for organics and environmentalism and concerns of health and body and air, our fine and heavily Schwarzeneggered state leads the nation in new registrations for SUVs.

Sad but true. Registrations for the huge lumps of bulbous steel jumped 39 percent between 1997 and 2002, from 1.9 million to 2.75 million, and overall there's been a whopping 56 percent jump in sales of the beasts in a mere eight years across the country, totaling nearly 25 million of the ugly tanks now lumbering across the American landscape and hogging all the parking and burning up most of the oil and sneering in the face of air quality and all rational thought and flipping over and bursting into flame after hitting a pinecone at 80 mph.

You can see it in the eyes of most every new SUV buyer as they stare, wide eyed and overwhelmed, at the massive vehicles in the showroom: some sort of veil drops over their eyes, some sort of weird opiate pumps into their brains and they lose all sense of reason or common sense or environmental concern and their ego balloons and their testosterone kicks up three notches and they go into some sort of spasm of denial about how purchasing one of these things will, in fact, contribute quite heartily to the overall ill health of their own bodies and the planet as a whole, not to mention the very reason we are so desperately, violently at war.

And the salesman sees that look and just smiles and licks his chops and points out how this 4-ton hunk of environmental devastation can seat nine and tow a large tractor or maybe 15 head of cattle, plus it has 27 cup holders and three DVD players and a built-in sense of false superiority, and the vaguely depressed regularly emasculated suburban dad or the gum-snapping Marina girl with way too much of her parents' money and way too little self-defined taste takes one look and goes, oooh.

What, too harsh? Not really. Most people know these facts to be true, but buy the tanks anyway in a mad collusion of wishful thinking and raw denial and false advertising, absolutely convinced the beasts are somehow safer and sturdier (they're neither) and that they absolutely must have 37 cubic feet of cargo space to haul their grocery bags and 4-wheel-drive traction to get over those little concrete barriers in the mall parking lot and just ignore the fact that the thing rides like a brick and handles like a block of lead and is about as attractive and beautifully designed as a jar of rocks.

Irony? The SUV drips with it. Fact is, most Americans consider themselves environmentally conscious and claim to care deeply about protecting natural resources and don't really want war and suffering or the insane BushCo-brand oil dependence that causes both.

But the truth is, if Americans really cared about energy and pollution and reducing reliance on foreign oil and getting us out from under the massive hypocritical terrorist-supportin' Saudi thumb, they'd buy smaller or more efficient vehicles. Period. But they don't.

Waiting for that hybrid SUV to make it all better? Good for you. Step in the right direction, truly, though of course improved gas mileage and reduced emissions do nothing to allay the fact that SUVs still roll and still can't maneuver to avoid accidents and still hog parking and still assault the eye and tread as lightly on the planet as Arnold Schwarzenegger in ski boots. But hey. It's a start.

Another big fallacy? SUV roominess. Hell, ugly ol' minivans have far more storage and headroom, as do most sport wagons, PT Cruisers -- even large hatchbacks have more than enough overall storage (and often better headroom) for any but the largest of families and oh my God even this is a moot point because you well know that 97 percent of all SUVs on the road are single occupant and the only "cargo" is their purse or their gym bag, while the other 36 square feet is taken up by, well, ego and attitude and air.

Machismo? Well, yes. There's that. Big feeling of invincibility in an SUV, of a high and mighty driving position that gives you that commanding sensation, so strong and so powerful that you are willing to overlook that it's just an illusion, deceptive and harmful given how SUVs actually have more accidents, actually cause more accidents than passenger cars because they can't maneuver in emergency situations and can't stop in rain or snow and tend to flip over easier than Paris Hilton after a dozen Bacardi shooters.

And then you hear that, according to the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, minivans are 10 times safer than SUVs in a crash. Whoops.

Truth is, small, nimble passenger cars may not survive a head-on collision with a Freightliner quite as well as your bigass Navigator, dude, but they do a hell of a lot better avoiding it in the first place. Which is why rates of serious accidents and incidents of death are actually lower for smaller cars than almost any lurching monster truck on the road. Period.

And sure you can be cheered slightly at the news that SUV sales are slightly sluggish lately, down 2 percent, and that Hummer sales are way off and Prius sales are way up and there's still a three-month waiting list for Mini Coopers.

Until you realize that 2 percent ain't much of nuthin' and until you read how the U.S. consumes 20 million barrels of oil each day, with passenger vehicles burning up three quarters of the total -- and SUVs alone burn half the total for all passenger cars, far more than their fair share and more petroleum than our entire country produces in a year.

And then you learn how that little pip-squeak tyrant Saddam was sitting on 10 percent of the world's oil reserves and that he might have once thought about threatening the nearby 60 percent owned by our buddies the terrorist-lovin', women-slappin' Saudis, and you realize that anyone who thinks we're in Iraq for democracy or humanity's sake is absolutely full of Rumsfeld.

Look. I know many people who own SUVs. Good people. Lovely people. Friends. Family. I know their arguments for owning them. I know that they know, deep down, that most of those arguments hold little sway and most are rather hollow and the result of slick marketing and just a little bit of fear.

And I know there is no accounting for taste and that a big part of the sad American ideology is a willful separation of cause and effect, a general ignorance of how our choices affect the world, and that there are worse atrocities in the world than owning a shiny black knobby-tired 5-ton Ford Expedition that never sees anything more rugged than a pothole in the Krispy Kreme drive-thru.

But, really, we have to just admit it: the SUV is hypocrisy incarnate. It is the perfect emblem for the American view, for our position in the world: gluttonous, vain, dangerous to almost everyone else on the road, mostly useless (over 85 percent of SUVs never see a dirt road, much less need 4-wheel drive), ugly as hell and as graceful or practical as a school bus on an ice-skating rink.

Just admit it. Maybe it will help. Maybe a tiny confession of guilt will put us back on the right track. After all, admission of the problem is the first step toward recovery, right? That, and placing your order now for the badass new VW GTI.

© 2005 San Francisco Chronicle


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my brother just bought an Xterra, i think it gets about 19mpg, its a nice comfortable ride, nothing to outlandish as far as extras go in it, it takes a little getting used to after having driven in a car since i got my first vehicle.


way i see it, if people dont like the choice of a car someone buys, then buy them what you want them to have, until then, shut the fuck up

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When my hybrid SUV is making better mileage than Mark's car, can I give him a lecture?

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Peeps wrote:
way i see it, if people dont like the choice of a car someone buys, then buy them what you want them to have, until then, shut the fuck up


that's a really stupid way of seeing it.


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I think it's the other way around. Stupid people buy large SUVs.


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I think stupid SUV's buy people.


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My mom drives a giant SUV. When I asked her why she likes it she said:

"because it makes me feel safe"

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I think that these idiots have no room to bitch about the price of gas or oil when they're driving these tanks.

Also, they should be ticketed for driving these monsters with the yellow ribbons that say "support our troops" on the backs of them. Irony at its best.


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I drive a Cavalier. If Hybrids aren't cheaper in about 4 years, I'll probably buy another Cavalier. But if the price for Hybrids goes down, I'll buy one. I don't even care what they look like.


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Cartman wrote:
I drive a Cavalier. If Hybrids aren't cheaper in about 4 years, I'll probably buy another Cavalier. But if the price for Hybrids goes down, I'll buy one. I don't even care what they look like.


I drive a civic, and I'd love a hybrid.


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Only stupid people post stupid stereotypical posts. :roll:

When you can show me 1 single mini van that gets better gas mileage than my SUV, we'll talk.

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zutmon wrote:
Only stupid people post stupid stereotypical posts. :roll:

When you can show me 1 single mini van that gets better gas mileage than my SUV, we'll talk.
Minivans suck too.


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zutmon wrote:
Only stupid people post stupid stereotypical posts. :roll:

When you can show me 1 single mini van that gets better gas mileage than my SUV, we'll talk.


Wrong. This is one of the greatest articles ever written.

And I don't know what kind of SUV you drive, but in general, minivans get better mileage than SUVs:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byclass/ ... 2004.shtml

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byclass/ ... 2004.shtml


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Cartman wrote:
zutmon wrote:
Minivans suck too.


Station wagons are better:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byclass/ ... 2004.shtml

And safer than minivans too! I remember when my mom had a wagon... those were the days, man.


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Kenny wrote:
zutmon wrote:
Only stupid people post stupid stereotypical posts. :roll:

When you can show me 1 single mini van that gets better gas mileage than my SUV, we'll talk.


Wrong. This is one of the greatest articles ever written.

And I don't know what kind of SUV you drive, but in general, minivans get better mileage than SUVs:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byclass/ ... 2004.shtml

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byclass/ ... 2004.shtml


On the old board I did a huge post listing all the vehicles which get less gas mileage than my 2004 Ford Escape. You should check it out. There are alot of pickups and cars which get less mileage too. Also, if you really want to do a good post pick the leading selling vehicles and start from there. The top 3 leading vehicles are the large ton pickups and they get 10 mpg at best. So please stop kidding yourself if you think that SUV's are the problem. They contribute to it, but are not the whole problem.

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tommymctom wrote:
Cartman wrote:
I drive a Cavalier. If Hybrids aren't cheaper in about 4 years, I'll probably buy another Cavalier. But if the price for Hybrids goes down, I'll buy one. I don't even care what they look like.


I drive a civic, and I'd love a hybrid.


Me too. If they can make a hybrid with similar HP to my Civic (which isn't much, but it's enough) then I'd love to get 50+ mpg and be more envorinmentally friendly.

Even my gas powered Civic is Ultra Low Emissions though. :D

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zutmon wrote:
Kenny wrote:
zutmon wrote:
Only stupid people post stupid stereotypical posts. :roll:

When you can show me 1 single mini van that gets better gas mileage than my SUV, we'll talk.


Wrong. This is one of the greatest articles ever written.

And I don't know what kind of SUV you drive, but in general, minivans get better mileage than SUVs:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byclass/ ... 2004.shtml

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byclass/ ... 2004.shtml


On the old board I did a huge post listing all the vehicles which get less gas mileage than my 2004 Ford Escape. You should check it out. There are alot of pickups and cars which get less mileage too. Also, if you really want to do a good post pick the leading selling vehicles and start from there. The top 3 leading vehicles are the large ton pickups and they get 10 mpg at best. So please stop kidding yourself if you think that SUV's are the problem. They contribute to it, but are not the whole problem.


I would say that MOST people that own pickup trucks large or small tend to actually use them for things that the vehicle is designed for. Where SUV drivers USUALLY tend to buy the thing for looks. Also there are WAY more SUV drivers out there than pickups.


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zutmon wrote:
Kenny wrote:
zutmon wrote:
Only stupid people post stupid stereotypical posts. :roll:

When you can show me 1 single mini van that gets better gas mileage than my SUV, we'll talk.


Wrong. This is one of the greatest articles ever written.

And I don't know what kind of SUV you drive, but in general, minivans get better mileage than SUVs:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byclass/ ... 2004.shtml

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byclass/ ... 2004.shtml


On the old board I did a huge post listing all the vehicles which get less gas mileage than my 2004 Ford Escape. You should check it out. There are alot of pickups and cars which get less mileage too. Also, if you really want to do a good post pick the leading selling vehicles and start from there. The top 3 leading vehicles are the large ton pickups and they get 10 mpg at best. So please stop kidding yourself if you think that SUV's are the problem. They contribute to it, but are not the whole problem.


The problem with the SUV's is not that they are the absolute worst in fuel economy (although they are all at the bad end of the spectrum, don't fool yourself). The problem is that there are so damn many of them, most of which are unnecessary. I would guess that a much higher percentage of those large ton pickups are used in industry and by people who actually need their power than you could say about SUV's. Plus there aren't that many large ton pickups out there. They certainly don't account for 1/3 of new car sales or 1/2 of fuel consumption in the country.

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Cartman wrote:
zutmon wrote:
Kenny wrote:
zutmon wrote:
Only stupid people post stupid stereotypical posts. :roll:

When you can show me 1 single mini van that gets better gas mileage than my SUV, we'll talk.


Wrong. This is one of the greatest articles ever written.

And I don't know what kind of SUV you drive, but in general, minivans get better mileage than SUVs:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byclass/ ... 2004.shtml

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byclass/ ... 2004.shtml


On the old board I did a huge post listing all the vehicles which get less gas mileage than my 2004 Ford Escape. You should check it out. There are alot of pickups and cars which get less mileage too. Also, if you really want to do a good post pick the leading selling vehicles and start from there. The top 3 leading vehicles are the large ton pickups and they get 10 mpg at best. So please stop kidding yourself if you think that SUV's are the problem. They contribute to it, but are not the whole problem.


I would say that MOST people that own pickup trucks large or small tend to actually use them for things that the vehicle is designed for. Where SUV drivers USUALLY tend to buy the thing for looks. Also there are WAY more SUV drivers out there than pickups.


You people drive me crazy. Look at the top 3 vehicle sales in the USA. Top 3 are large pickups, not SUV's!!! http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/top_cars/

Vehicle /Through August 2003 /Through August 2002/ % change

Ford F-Series pickup 545,582 557,973 -2.2
Chevrolet Silverado pickup 466,322 437,901 6.5
Dodge Ram pickup 302,480 269,395 12.3
Toyota Camry 287,374 309,618 -7.2
Honda Accord 281,526 271,024 3.9
Ford Explorer 246,120 285,655 -13.8
Toyota Corolla/Matrix 238,089 168,561 41.2
Ford Taurus 219,908 227,704 -3.4
Honda Civic 217,494 216,128 0.6
Chevrolet Impala 194,151 131,429 47.7
Chevrolet TrailBlazer 180,120 165,208 9
Chevrolet Cavalier 176,351 181,175 -2.7
Dodge Caravan 172,575 180,288 -4.3
Ford Focus 159,417 164,036 -2.8
Ford Ranger pickup 151,285 164,873 -8.2
Nissan Altima 138,401 139,502 -0.8
Chevrolet Tahoe 131,297 149,963 -12.4
GMC Sierra pickup 131,014 134,307 -2.5
Jeep Grand Cherokee 128,340 146,763 -12.6
Ford Expedition 122,401 101,620 20.4

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