Before you say it's hypocritical for me to shout down Ann Coulter for calling John Edwards a faggot, but not to care if Don Imus calls the Rutgers women's basketball team "nappy-headed hos", it's not the same thing. First of all, Ann Coulter's comment was made to a national political group, and while she says she intended humor, her intent was clearly to play to the prejudices of her audience. Imus's intent is ALWAYS humor, whether he's funny or not, and if he'd said something like this to an audience that was not his regular radio listeners, I'd be a lot more offended as well. But it was on his regular show, and Imus is a has-been clinging to poor ratings, seeking to keep up with his foul-mouthed competitors.
Whatever this is, it's NOT "all part of a cultural argument that those dirty hippy Jew black gay muslim city people don't deserve power in our country."
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This was one of the "major" stories on the evening news today. Imus is a jackass but I did kind of find it funny, if merely for the audacity of his statements.
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Before you say it's hypocritical for me to shout down Ann Coulter for calling John Edwards a faggot, but not to care if Don Imus calls the Rutgers women's basketball team "nappy-headed hos", it's not the same thing. First of all, Ann Coulter's comment was made to a national political group, and while she says she intended humor, her intent was clearly to play to the prejudices of her audience. Imus's intent is ALWAYS humor, whether he's funny or not, and if he'd said something like this to an audience that was not his regular radio listeners, I'd be a lot more offended as well. But it was on his regular show, and Imus is a has-been clinging to poor ratings, seeking to keep up with his foul-mouthed competitors.
Whatever this is, it's NOT "all part of a cultural argument that those dirty hippy Jew black gay muslim city people don't deserve power in our country."
I agree, who cares
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Honestly, this is the kind of thing that would only offend people like Malice.
Imus is a big pussy, obviously.
All he should have said was "it's called irony, folks." That's it.
And maybe "eff Al Sharpton".
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yeah, he tries to be funny, but it still feels like hatred to me; i'll check on his ratings tomorrow at work but remember he's also on cable. he's a has been douchebag, always was; but he should be fired; a two week suspension is bullshit
MSNBC, CBS take Imus off air
• NEW: MSNBC, CBS to suspend Imus for two weeks
• Radio host Don Imus apologized on Al Sharpton's radio show
• Sharpton, NABJ calling for Imus to be fired
• Imus characterized Rutgers' team with offensive comments
NEW YORK (CNN) -- MSNBC and CBS radio are suspending Don Imus for two weeks after the host described the Rutgers University women's basketball team as "nappy-headed hos," the networks announced Monday.
The suspensions start April 16, and MSNBC's "future relationship" with Imus depends on "his ability to live up to his word," according to a statement from NBC News. MSNBC simulcasts a television version of Imus' radio show.
"His dedication -- in his words -- to change the discourse on his program moving forward, has confirmed for us that this action is appropriate," the statement said. (Watch Imus on Sharpton's show)
Shortly after, CBS announced it plans to suspend its broadcast of Imus' radio program for the same two weeks.
The flap began Wednesday, the day after Rutgers lost the NCAA women's title to Tennessee. Imus told listeners, "That's some rough girls from Rutgers."
"Man, they got tattoos and some hard-core hos," he said. "That's some nappy-headed hos there, I'm going to tell you that now."
Imus apologized for the remark Friday and repeated the apology Monday, telling listeners, "I'm embarrassed that I did that."
"I'm a good person, but I said a bad thing," he said. "But these young women deserve to know that it was not said with malice."
Imus: 'No excuse' for remark
Imus went on civil rights leader Al Sharpton's syndicated radio show Monday and said there was "no excuse" for his remark.
"I'm not thinking it's a racial insult that's being uttered at somebody at the time. It's in the process of trying to rap and be funny." he said. But he added, "I wish I hadn't said it. I'm sorry I said it."
For Sharpton, the apology was not enough. He told CNN's "The Situation Room" Monday afternoon, "We want him fired."
"He hit a lot of us where we live," he said. "A lot of us that have condemned a lot of the language and gangster rap and a lot of language on the radio and said to kids, 'You have to quit using negative words.' How do we go back to tell our kids to clean up their words when you can call some exemplary young women this, and we say nothing and extract no punishment to protect their integrity and self-esteem?"
The National Association of Black Journalists has called for the veteran "shock jock" to be fired as well. Brian Monroe, the group's president, said Imus and his sidekicks have a long history of making crude racial and sexual comments.
"The only consequence we can imagine, that suits the words that he said, is for him to hang it up," Monroe said on Sharpton's program.
But the show continues to draw top-level guests from the world of politics -- and one of those, Republican presidential contender Sen. John McCain, said Monday he would continue to appear on the show.
"I'm a great believer in redemption," the Arizona senator told reporters in Phoenix. "Whether he needs to do more in order to satisfy the concerns of people like the members of that team, that's something that's between him and them."
But syndicated columnist Clarence Page said candidates may need to answer for their appearances on the show, "just as if they belonged to a country club that discriminates."
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What a fucking non story. All it seems to take is a crappy joke by a C List celeb for the media to use it as nothing more than another distraction from real issues.
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MSNBC, CBS take Imus off air • NEW: MSNBC, CBS to suspend Imus for two weeks • Radio host Don Imus apologized on Al Sharpton's radio show • Sharpton, NABJ calling for Imus to be fired • Imus characterized Rutgers' team with offensive comments NEW YORK (CNN) -- MSNBC and CBS radio are suspending Don Imus for two weeks after the host described the Rutgers University women's basketball team as "nappy-headed hos," the networks announced Monday.
The suspensions start April 16, and MSNBC's "future relationship" with Imus depends on "his ability to live up to his word," according to a statement from NBC News. MSNBC simulcasts a television version of Imus' radio show.
"His dedication -- in his words -- to change the discourse on his program moving forward, has confirmed for us that this action is appropriate," the statement said. (Watch Imus on Sharpton's show)
Shortly after, CBS announced it plans to suspend its broadcast of Imus' radio program for the same two weeks.
The flap began Wednesday, the day after Rutgers lost the NCAA women's title to Tennessee. Imus told listeners, "That's some rough girls from Rutgers."
"Man, they got tattoos and some hard-core hos," he said. "That's some nappy-headed hos there, I'm going to tell you that now."
Imus apologized for the remark Friday and repeated the apology Monday, telling listeners, "I'm embarrassed that I did that."
"I'm a good person, but I said a bad thing," he said. "But these young women deserve to know that it was not said with malice."
Imus: 'No excuse' for remark
Imus went on civil rights leader Al Sharpton's syndicated radio show Monday and said there was "no excuse" for his remark.
"I'm not thinking it's a racial insult that's being uttered at somebody at the time. It's in the process of trying to rap and be funny." he said. But he added, "I wish I hadn't said it. I'm sorry I said it."
For Sharpton, the apology was not enough. He told CNN's "The Situation Room" Monday afternoon, "We want him fired."
"He hit a lot of us where we live," he said. "A lot of us that have condemned a lot of the language and gangster rap and a lot of language on the radio and said to kids, 'You have to quit using negative words.' How do we go back to tell our kids to clean up their words when you can call some exemplary young women this, and we say nothing and extract no punishment to protect their integrity and self-esteem?"
The National Association of Black Journalists has called for the veteran "shock jock" to be fired as well. Brian Monroe, the group's president, said Imus and his sidekicks have a long history of making crude racial and sexual comments.
"The only consequence we can imagine, that suits the words that he said, is for him to hang it up," Monroe said on Sharpton's program.
But the show continues to draw top-level guests from the world of politics -- and one of those, Republican presidential contender Sen. John McCain, said Monday he would continue to appear on the show.
"I'm a great believer in redemption," the Arizona senator told reporters in Phoenix. "Whether he needs to do more in order to satisfy the concerns of people like the members of that team, that's something that's between him and them."
But syndicated columnist Clarence Page said candidates may need to answer for their appearances on the show, "just as if they belonged to a country club that discriminates."
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What a fucking non story. All it seems to take is a crappy joke by a C List celeb for the media to use it as nothing more than another distraction from real issues.
i almost feel bad that you think racists comments arent a real issue
MSNBC, CBS take Imus off air • NEW: MSNBC, CBS to suspend Imus for two weeks • Radio host Don Imus apologized on Al Sharpton's radio show • Sharpton, NABJ calling for Imus to be fired • Imus characterized Rutgers' team with offensive comments NEW YORK (CNN) -- MSNBC and CBS radio are suspending Don Imus for two weeks after the host described the Rutgers University women's basketball team as "nappy-headed hos," the networks announced Monday.
The suspensions start April 16, and MSNBC's "future relationship" with Imus depends on "his ability to live up to his word," according to a statement from NBC News. MSNBC simulcasts a television version of Imus' radio show.
"His dedication -- in his words -- to change the discourse on his program moving forward, has confirmed for us that this action is appropriate," the statement said. (Watch Imus on Sharpton's show)
Shortly after, CBS announced it plans to suspend its broadcast of Imus' radio program for the same two weeks.
The flap began Wednesday, the day after Rutgers lost the NCAA women's title to Tennessee. Imus told listeners, "That's some rough girls from Rutgers."
"Man, they got tattoos and some hard-core hos," he said. "That's some nappy-headed hos there, I'm going to tell you that now."
Imus apologized for the remark Friday and repeated the apology Monday, telling listeners, "I'm embarrassed that I did that."
"I'm a good person, but I said a bad thing," he said. "But these young women deserve to know that it was not said with malice."
Imus: 'No excuse' for remark
Imus went on civil rights leader Al Sharpton's syndicated radio show Monday and said there was "no excuse" for his remark.
"I'm not thinking it's a racial insult that's being uttered at somebody at the time. It's in the process of trying to rap and be funny." he said. But he added, "I wish I hadn't said it. I'm sorry I said it."
For Sharpton, the apology was not enough. He told CNN's "The Situation Room" Monday afternoon, "We want him fired."
"He hit a lot of us where we live," he said. "A lot of us that have condemned a lot of the language and gangster rap and a lot of language on the radio and said to kids, 'You have to quit using negative words.' How do we go back to tell our kids to clean up their words when you can call some exemplary young women this, and we say nothing and extract no punishment to protect their integrity and self-esteem?"
The National Association of Black Journalists has called for the veteran "shock jock" to be fired as well. Brian Monroe, the group's president, said Imus and his sidekicks have a long history of making crude racial and sexual comments.
"The only consequence we can imagine, that suits the words that he said, is for him to hang it up," Monroe said on Sharpton's program.
But the show continues to draw top-level guests from the world of politics -- and one of those, Republican presidential contender Sen. John McCain, said Monday he would continue to appear on the show.
"I'm a great believer in redemption," the Arizona senator told reporters in Phoenix. "Whether he needs to do more in order to satisfy the concerns of people like the members of that team, that's something that's between him and them."
But syndicated columnist Clarence Page said candidates may need to answer for their appearances on the show, "just as if they belonged to a country club that discriminates."
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What a fucking non story. All it seems to take is a crappy joke by a C List celeb for the media to use it as nothing more than another distraction from real issues.
i almost feel bad that you think racists comments arent a real issue
I don't really think his comments were racist IMO. Michael Richards and Mel Gibson's comments were racist to me because they came from a candid moment of hatred.
I think Imus' was really nothing more than him trying to be somewhat "shocking" and joking around with his friend on the air. I'll admit that the comments were in poor taste and all around not very funny, but I think it would be absurd to think he said such a thing out of hatred. The only people he should of had apologized to were any of the players that were offended... not Al "white interloper" Sharpton or Jesse "Hymietown" Jackson.
Now that being said that I am against racism, sexism, etc. etc. when it comes from a place of hate. To me, Imus was nothing more than a lame joke. I also wonder what would of happened if Bernie Mac or DL Hughley would of said it.
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two week suspension sounds reasonable.
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Now that being said that I am against racism, sexism, etc. etc. when it comes from a place of hate.
But you aren't when it comes from something else?
I like Imus's show. He seems like a real cocksucker, though, and his statement undoubtedly comes from a place of prejudice. There's not really any excuse for them, but I don't find them as objectionable as many things I see every day. His apology and suspension should probably be enough, but I can understand Sharpton and other blacks wanting him fired.
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ranting in e-minor wrote:
Now that being said that I am against racism, sexism, etc. etc. when it comes from a place of hate.
But you aren't when it comes from something else?
I'm trying to explain this and get it out right. I am against racist speech, as I'm sure most of us on here are. If Imus would of come out and said, "the girls team are a bunch of scary niggers", I would think that was highly offensive, racist and hateful.
I think his comment about "nappy headed hos" came from a joke, trying to keep some sort of edge and probably a place of prejudice, but I don't think it makes it a blanket racist statement. Again, I am probably in the minority where I don't think prejudice or ignorant statements are always racist, just... well, ignorant. To be clear, I'm not saying that is right.
Someone saying something out of pure anger and hate, ie, Richards or Gibson, is very racist to me and I think there is a big difference between them and Imus. I just think it is ridiculous how the media and these sharpton and jackson equate them all to be the same and give the same amount of credence to all these statements.
2 quick side notes...
1 I think Imus' show is lame as hell, so its weird defending him.
and
2 I bet if Imus donated money to one of Jackson's or Sharpton's organizations, his apology would be accepted and calls for his firings toned down.
I'm not a big conspiracy guy, but everytime a white guy says something stupid, I think Sharpton and Jackson see green.
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And the night Jeff Buckley died
And the night Kurt Cobain died
And the night John Lennon died
I remember I stayed up to watch the news with everyone
I don't think questioning Sharpton's and Jackson's sincerity is either legitimate or germane.
I'm more interested in what your distinction really means though, because it isn't making much sense to me. I get disliking racist speech arising from hate, but excusing or lessening the effect of racist speech arising from ignorance, pseudo-scientific belief, etc. doesn't hold a lot of water. As for the humor angle, I don't see the significance of how a statement is worded or the intentions of the wording so long as the meaning behind it is bigoted.
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