Board index » Word on the Street... » News & Debate




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 17 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Sticky Rice: Condeleeza Wraps Up Senate Approval
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 3:29 am 
Offline
User avatar
Yeah Yeah Yeah
 YIM  Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 12:36 am
Posts: 3556
Location: Twin Ports
Rice Acknowledges Some Bad Iraq Decisions
Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:55 AM ET
Printer Friendly | Email Article | Reprints | RSS (Page 1 of 2)


By Saul Hudson and Arshad Mohammed

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Secretary of State-designate Condoleezza Rice said on Wednesday the Bush administration made some bad decisions in Iraq and was unprepared for stabilizing the country in a rare acknowledgment of mistakes.

But Democrats complained the Republican President Bush's administration was unwilling to learn from its mistakes to change policies in Iraq, be candid about the cost of continued deployment and develop a better exit strategy.

"We have made a lot of decisions in this period of time. Some of them have been good, some of them have not been good, some of them have been bad decisions, I am sure," Rice told the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

"We didn't have the right skills, the right capacity, to deal with a reconstruction effort of this kind," she said on the second day of hearings on her confirmation, which is expected to be easily approved by the Republican-led Senate.

Rice's acknowledgment of mistakes followed criticism her testimony on Tuesday belied the reality on the ground, where a raging insurgency has repeatedly delayed the training of Iraqi forces who would eventually take over from U.S. troops.

Rice declined to predict for senators when U.S. forces would return home but asserted there had been progress in training Iraqis to eventually replace the 150,000 American troops.

Democrats, who accused the Bush administration of misleading the country into war and sending too few troops into Iraq to stabilize it, called for more candor.

"We've all got to be honest also with the world, otherwise we'll do terrible damage beyond what we've already done to our credibility," the committee's ranking Democrat, Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, said.

He complained the administration's inability to learn from its mistakes limited its options and ability to respond to other major foreign policy challenges.

"It's much harder for the world to rally to our side if we have to face a truly (imminent) threat in (North) Korea or Iran," he said.

Despite the criticism, Rice's nomination is expected to be easily approved by the committee on Wednesday.

he full Senate is then expected to confirm her as the first black woman secretary of state, probably on Thursday, the day of Bush's inauguration for a second four-year term.

Bush has chosen the 50-year-old former Stanford University provost to replace Colin Powell, widely admired abroad and often seen as the Cabinet's lone dove stressing diplomacy to solve crises.

'LACK OF FLEXIBILITY'

California Democrat Sen. Barbara Boxer, who on Tuesday challenged Rice on the administration's case for war, urged Rice to change policy where necessary.

"It seems to me there is a rigidness here, a lack of flexibility," Boxer said.

The Bush administration, which has pursued its Iraq policy in the face of persistent criticism, has generally avoided acknowledging mistakes.

The New York Times in an editorial criticized Rice for failing to admit mistakes, and worried that her unwillingness to change strategy there meant she would simply try to "sell flawed American foreign policy" abroad.

_________________
Rising and falling at force ten
We twist the world
And ride the wind


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 3:42 am 
Offline
User avatar
Got Some
 Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 12:35 am
Posts: 1311
Location: Lexington
I am really frightened here, Colin Powell might not have been a good statesman but I never thought for a moment that he could single handidly ruin foriegn relations. Mrs. Rice is quite capable.

_________________
punkdavid wrote:
Make sure to bring a bottle of vitriol. And wear a condom so you don't insinuate her.

--PunkDavid


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:53 am 
Offline
User avatar
Unthought Known
 Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:52 pm
Posts: 6822
Location: NY
Gender: Male
deathbyflannel wrote:
I am really frightened here, Colin Powell might not have been a good statesman but I never thought for a moment that he could single handidly ruin foriegn relations. Mrs. Rice is quite capable.


I concur. I think Powell did a relatively good job with the situations he was dealt. At the very least, he seemed to be able to calm the storm with whoever he met with. This just reminds me of a Daily Show where they listed all the numerous accomplishments of Rice and then cut back to Stewart who said "Apparently she can do everything except make peace with other countries."

_________________
http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:59 am 
Offline
User avatar
Of Counsel
 Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:14 am
Posts: 37778
Location: OmaGOD!!!
Gender: Male
Bush seems determined to have a cabinet with no dissenting voices, just lapdogs and his girlfriends. Dissent makes his brain hurt.

--PunkDavid

_________________
Unfortunately, at the Dawning of the Age of Aquarius, the Flower Children jerked off and went back to sleep.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 5:06 am 
Offline
User avatar
Unthought Known
 Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:52 pm
Posts: 6822
Location: NY
Gender: Male
punkdavid wrote:
Bush seems determined to have a cabinet with no dissenting voices, just lapdogs and his girlfriends. Dissent makes his brain hurt.

--PunkDavid


Which I can't really blame him for. I mean, he got elected for a second term. Why not surround yourself with as many yes-men/women as possible? It's not like you have to worry about the next election. Ideally, it'd be great to have a diverse cabinet and advisors, but is anyone really surprised that isn't happening?

_________________
http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 5:23 am 
Offline
User avatar
Of Counsel
 Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:14 am
Posts: 37778
Location: OmaGOD!!!
Gender: Male
Go_State wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
Bush seems determined to have a cabinet with no dissenting voices, just lapdogs and his girlfriends. Dissent makes his brain hurt.

--PunkDavid


Which I can't really blame him for. I mean, he got elected for a second term. Why not surround yourself with as many yes-men/women as possible? It's not like you have to worry about the next election. Ideally, it'd be great to have a diverse cabinet and advisors, but is anyone really surprised that isn't happening?


Surprised? Not in the least. But there are very good reasons to NEVER surround yourself with yes-men, no matter what your position in the world is, and especially as the single most powerful man on earth. It has nothing to do with re-election prospects.

--PunkDavid

_________________
Unfortunately, at the Dawning of the Age of Aquarius, the Flower Children jerked off and went back to sleep.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 5:44 am 
Offline
User avatar
Got Some
 Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 12:35 am
Posts: 1311
Location: Lexington
I am going to retract my former statement because I just realized she is no longer the Head of National Security, I feel safer already. I agree with this move because currently I am not sure if our foreign relations standing could worsen. I haven't read up on any of this shit lately, who is going to take her cabinet position? (crosses fingers thinks "ollie north") :twisted:

_________________
punkdavid wrote:
Make sure to bring a bottle of vitriol. And wear a condom so you don't insinuate her.

--PunkDavid


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:42 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Johnny Guitar
 Profile

Joined: Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:08 pm
Posts: 284
deathbyflannel wrote:
I am really frightened here, Colin Powell might not have been a good statesman but I never thought for a moment that he could single handidly ruin foriegn relations. Mrs. Rice is quite capable.



I FIND YOUR LACK OF FAITH DISTURBING....
Image

_________________
http://home.adelphia.net/~sharkie002/SRnews.htm
Sharkie's News and Radio


Last edited by i am a donut on Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:24 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:02 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Of Counsel
 Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:14 am
Posts: 37778
Location: OmaGOD!!!
Gender: Male
i am a donut wrote:
deathbyflannel wrote:
I am really frightened here, Colin Powell might not have been a good statesman but I never thought for a moment that he could single handidly ruin foriegn relations. Mrs. Rice is quite capable.


Image

I FIND YOUR LACK OF FAITH DISTURBING.... :twisted:


I CRUSH YOUR HEAD! CRUSH, CRUSH, CRUSH YOUR HEAD!

_________________
Unfortunately, at the Dawning of the Age of Aquarius, the Flower Children jerked off and went back to sleep.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:43 am 
Offline
User avatar
Unthought Known
 Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:55 am
Posts: 9080
Location: Londres
Now that Axis of Evil jokes have been done to death, she's come up with, wait for it,


OUTPOSTS OF TYRANNY!!! (that's Iran, N. Korea, Cuba, Burma, Belarus and Zimbabwe)

and...

NEGATIVE FORCE!!! (that's Venezuela)

_________________
SABOTAGE!


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 4:42 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Of Counsel
 Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:14 am
Posts: 37778
Location: OmaGOD!!!
Gender: Male
Hinny wrote:
Now that Axis of Evil jokes have been done to death, she's come up with, wait for it,


OUTPOSTS OF TYRANNY!!! (that's Iran, N. Korea, Cuba, Burma, Belarus and Zimbabwe)


As opposed to the US which is a "Duderanch of tyranny". :D

--PunkDavid

_________________
Unfortunately, at the Dawning of the Age of Aquarius, the Flower Children jerked off and went back to sleep.


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: Sticky Rice: Condeleeza Wraps Up Senate Approval
PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:25 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Force of Nature
 Profile

Joined: Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:30 am
Posts: 885
Location: Redding, CA
tsunami wrote:
Rice Acknowledges Some Bad Iraq Decisions
Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:55 AM ET
Printer Friendly | Email Article | Reprints | RSS (Page 1 of 2)


By Saul Hudson and Arshad Mohammed


Isn't Saul Hudson Slash's real name???


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:44 pm 
Offline
User avatar
too drunk to moderate properly
 WWW  Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:19 pm
Posts: 39068
Location: Chapel Hill, NC, USA
Gender: Male
I think Condi is a member of RM. I've seen this argument around.

Quote:
The Excuse Makers: Condoleezza Rice
August 4, 2005

Here’s the thing about excuse makers: their goal is not to address criticism head on, so much as it is to swiftly shut it down. Why waste time by taking a hard look at complicated questions? Why go through all the trouble of seriously examining the consequences of one’s own actions, in the past and in the present? And so making excuses is the antithesis of offering reasons.

In a July 28th television interview with Jim Lehrer, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice reaffirmed her status as a seasoned excuse maker, along the way demonstrating the favorite tactic of excuse makers everywhere: accusing an interrogator of making excuses. Asked by Lehrer about the connection between US foreign policy decisions and the apparent rise in global terrorism, Secretary Rice responded by scolding everyone who would dare ask about root causes:

“When are we going to stop making excuses for the terrorists and saying that somebody is making them do it? No, these are simply evil people who want to kill. And they want to kill in the name of a perverted ideology that really is not Islam, but they somehow want to claim that mantle to say that this is about some kind of grievance. This isn't about some kind of grievance. This is an effort to destroy, rather than to build. And until everybody in the world calls it by name — the evil that it is — stops making excuses for them, then I think we're going to have a problem.“

And the result of her tirade? Rice got her way — Lehrer changed the subject.


http://adbusters.org/blogs/content/view/76/

_________________
"Though some may think there should be a separation between art/music and politics, it should be reinforced that art can be a form of nonviolent protest." - e.v.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:28 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Got Some
 Profile

Joined: Wed Dec 08, 2004 8:58 pm
Posts: 1148
Location: Green Bay
B wrote:
I think Condi is a member of RM. I've seen this argument around.

Quote:
The Excuse Makers: Condoleezza Rice
August 4, 2005

Here’s the thing about excuse makers: their goal is not to address criticism head on, so much as it is to swiftly shut it down. Why waste time by taking a hard look at complicated questions? Why go through all the trouble of seriously examining the consequences of one’s own actions, in the past and in the present? And so making excuses is the antithesis of offering reasons.

In a July 28th television interview with Jim Lehrer, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice reaffirmed her status as a seasoned excuse maker, along the way demonstrating the favorite tactic of excuse makers everywhere: accusing an interrogator of making excuses. Asked by Lehrer about the connection between US foreign policy decisions and the apparent rise in global terrorism, Secretary Rice responded by scolding everyone who would dare ask about root causes:

“When are we going to stop making excuses for the terrorists and saying that somebody is making them do it? No, these are simply evil people who want to kill. And they want to kill in the name of a perverted ideology that really is not Islam, but they somehow want to claim that mantle to say that this is about some kind of grievance. This isn't about some kind of grievance. This is an effort to destroy, rather than to build. And until everybody in the world calls it by name — the evil that it is — stops making excuses for them, then I think we're going to have a problem.“

And the result of her tirade? Rice got her way — Lehrer changed the subject.


http://adbusters.org/blogs/content/view/76/


How many pages down was this ancient thread? :lol:

_________________
When the last living thing
Has died on account of us,
How poetical it would be
If Earth could say,
In a voice floating up
Perhaps
From the floor
Of the Grand Canyon,
"It is done.
People did not like it here.''


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:32 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Unthought Known
 Profile

Joined: Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:47 pm
Posts: 9282
Location: Atlanta
Gender: Male
"Condoleezza Rice said on Wednesday the Bush administration made some bad decisions in Iraq and was unprepared for stabilizing the country in a rare acknowledgment of mistakes."


Maybe she could appologise in person to the several hundred thousand people's families who have loved ones that are now dead because of their "bad decisions"


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:37 pm 
Offline
User avatar
too drunk to moderate properly
 WWW  Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:19 pm
Posts: 39068
Location: Chapel Hill, NC, USA
Gender: Male
Electromatic wrote:
"Condoleezza Rice said on Wednesday the Bush administration made some bad decisions in Iraq and was unprepared for stabilizing the country in a rare acknowledgment of mistakes."


Maybe she could appologise in person to the several hundred thousand people's families who have loved ones that are now dead because of their "bad decisions"


There is no way on Earth she said that! Provide a link, please.

_________________
"Though some may think there should be a separation between art/music and politics, it should be reinforced that art can be a form of nonviolent protest." - e.v.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:39 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Unthought Known
 Profile

Joined: Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:47 pm
Posts: 9282
Location: Atlanta
Gender: Male
B wrote:
Electromatic wrote:
"Condoleezza Rice said on Wednesday the Bush administration made some bad decisions in Iraq and was unprepared for stabilizing the country in a rare acknowledgment of mistakes."


Maybe she could appologise in person to the several hundred thousand people's families who have loved ones that are now dead because of their "bad decisions"


There is no way on Earth she said that! Provide a link, please.


I took the quote from the original story.


Top
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 17 posts ] 

Board index » Word on the Street... » News & Debate


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
It is currently Sat Nov 29, 2025 7:40 pm