Hey, this is my first thread here so Hi. I was around on the other forum for a year or so, and though I like its looks better, I decided to test this forum cuz some threads there made me cry.

1.So, does anyone know (I'm sure of it) when Eddie started playing guitar in this band and why. or why not from the beginning. Was it Stone ? (hehe)

2. Where is the song "untitled" (I got a car...) from. Is their a studio release? A friend told me its on Yield, but that is not the "Untitled" I am talking about, that is the "We're all crazy" Untitled. In the song section on their homepage these get mixed up too, when you look at the Lo2L tracklist, they list the wrong version... Or is it maybe cuz I have a europeen Yield release... realy confused here.

Answers highly appreciated

The Untitled you speak of is(as far as I know) a live only track. It's an intro sometimes played before MFC.

he didn't think he was good enough, but until the other guys heard some demos from Vs. they convinced him to play the guitar for the band as well. (around 92/93)



it's an improv they first tried on the 1998 Yield tour as an intro to MFC. they released a version of it on the Live On Two Legs album, after that tour they continued to play it as an intro, i'd say about 50% of times MFC is played.

"he didn't think he was good enough, but until the other guys heard some demos from Vs. they convinced him to play the guitar for the band as well. (around 92/93)"

Thank You for answering so quickly. About the answers: really? they wanted him to play? thats intersting.

Ed also played guitar on some songs in his old band, bad radio.

I think RVM is the first PJ song with Ed on guitar. Amiriteorwrong?

Well possibly small town too--same period

He does have writing credits on porch so he must have played it for the band at some point.

and welcome to the board

"Untitled" first appeared at Merriweather Post Pavilion in Columbia, MD on September 18, 1998. Most people believe that Eddie simply made the song up on the spot or perhaps wrote it around that point in the tour.
This original performance is also the version that appears on Live on Two Legs.

Musically, it is obvious the song is simply derived from the song MFC. For the most part it just sounds like a super slowed down variation of the main chords of MFC. For this reason, the song is never (almost never?) played alone but instead is exclusively used as an intro to MFC.

[someone correct me on that if necessary. I don't think the band has ever played Untitled without immediately following it with MFC.]

What year did he stop playing guitar for that song?

In a sense, Eddie was always playing guitar for this band. In terms of the implementing the whole "third guitar" dynamic in concert I believe that started in 1994. I seem to recall the band's performance on Saturday Night live that year had everyone commenting on the fact that Eddie was playing guitar on those songs

A lot of people on the Synergy board seem to hate the three guitar arrangements. There are numerous threads dealing with people's opinions that Eddie can't sing and play at the same time, and that his skills are lacking. I'm not a guitar player, so I don't know.

But I would really miss hearing three guitars on REARVIEWMIRROR, IMMORTALITY and SAD. I also think that a few songs like FAITHFULL would benefit from the fuller sound that three guitars give you.

What do people here think?

there's an instrumental called "improv" on some boots, I used to get them mixed up when seeing on setlists, etc. until I realized "improv" and "untitled" are different.

Nah, I have videos of him playing RVM in '93 with a guitar.
Can someone check the 7/7/93 dvd to see if he was using a guitar for that version?

I thought the "untitiled" melody was originally a live intro for Habit?

the more guitars the better

Really? No shit. I guess I never paid attention to which cities/locations the LO2L songs came from, but that's very cool.

Yeah. The Live on 2 Legs compilation draws entirely from the 1998 tour. When the band played Untitled at Merriweather there were only three shows left on the tour and that was the only show it was played at.

The song did not resurface again until the 2000 tour and during those 2 years inbetween there was a decent amount of debate among fans as to whether it was just a one-time-only improv or an actual song that would re-appear in concert. Obviously the later turned out to be true.

That was such a great show. I remember hearing them play it and thinking, what song is this, this is really cool.

Ha ha. I was there too and had a very similar reaction. I was both surprised and extremely happy by the decision to include it on L2L.

I know his wife Beth was either backstage that night or on her way to town because Hovercraft was opening for PJ the very next night in DC. I have always thought that was the inspiration for the song - if it was indeed an on-the-spot improv or something he had just written that day.

i sense that when i watch some of the dvd's. what i notice is that he sometimes has to look down to his fretboard while changing chords, and as a result when he turns his head, his mouth moves away from the microphone and therefore the parts of the lines get missed....

if he has one of those madonna headsets, that should solve the problem, but i really hope i never see eddie with a madonna set!