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Rate Cropduster
5 Stars: Green 12%  12%  [ 15 ]
4 Stars: Light Green 18%  18%  [ 22 ]
3 Stars: Dark Green 36%  36%  [ 43 ]
2 Stars: Brown 24%  24%  [ 29 ]
1 Star: Black 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
0 Stars: Compost 5%  5%  [ 7 ]
Total votes : 118
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 Post subject: SOTM #87: This ain't no book you can close...
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Cropduster


Light green to green, dark green, brown
Every life is falling down
Brown to black, its coming back
Dies to be part of the ground
Seed to seedling, root to stem

Eyes, no eyes, there's no difference
Every life is looking in
Swallowing seeds on my death bed
Dig a hole in the garden

Everyone is practicing
But this world's an accident
I was the fool because i thought
I thought the world
Turns out the world thought me
Its all the other way 'round
We're upside down

Daddy's gone up in flames
But this ain't no movie
This ain't no book you can close
When the big lie hits your eye

Everyone is practicing
Our world's an accident
I was the fool because I thought
I thought the world
Turns out the world thought me
Its all the other way 'round
We're upside down

Down, down, down...
Let the fluency set it down
Let the fluency set it down
There's an upside of down

The moon is rolling 'round the world
The moon is rolling 'round the world
The world
Our world...


Previous Songs of the Moment
1. In My Tree
2. Red Mosquito
3. Porch
4. I Got Id
5. Release
6. Do The Evolution
7. Breath
8. Corduroy
9. Elderly Woman...
10. Leash
11. Hail Hail
12. Grievance
13. Love Boat Captain
14. Even Flow
15. Black Red Yellow
16. In Hiding
17. Can't Keep
18. Indifference
19. Insignificance
20. Whipping
21. Black
22. Smile
23. Push Me Pull Me
24. Rats
25. God's Dice
26. All or None
27. Yellow Ledbetter
28. Last Exit
29. Who You Are
30. Rearview Mirror
31. Hold On
32. Present Tense
33. Light Years
34. Alive
35. Brain of J
36. Thumbing My Way
37. Hard to Imagine
38. Tremor Christ
39. Rival
40. Animal
41. Lukin
42. You Are
43. betterman
44. Given to Fly
45. Once
46. Low Light
47. Parting Ways
48. Off He Goes
49. Go
50. get right
51. World Wide Suicide
52. Angel
53. MFC
54. Long Road
55. Why Go
56. Nothingman
57. Save You
58. Of A Girl
59. Habit
60. Satan’s Bed
61. Faithful
62. Oceans
63. Gone
64. WMA
65. State of Love and Trust
66. Spin The Black Circle
67. Life Wasted
68. Arc
69. Garden
70. All Those Yesterdays
71.Sleight of Hand
72. Other Side
73. Let Me Sleep
74. I’m Open
75. Blood
76.Nothing As It Seems
77. All Night
78. Jeremy
79. No Way
80. Around The Bend
81. Immortality
82. Comatose
83. Daughter
84. Alone
85. I am Mine
86. Down

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Cropduster should have been a better song than it is. The vocal performance is average, but there are moments where it hints at greater things (esp during the background vocals in the chorus and outro—I wish the energy there was a little more prominent throughout—much of the delivery lacks the energy that the message demands) and it has lyrics that are much smarter than they may first appear. The music itself is interesting, although a little awkward at times. I like the rolling drums and guitars although it sounds like it is building for a climax that never comes But something goes wrong when it all comes together—the song is not as strong as the sum of its parts.

Daniel Quinn’s influence is clearly visible in this song (in fact, Riot Act bears his stamp much more than Yield). It’s a song about the relationship between humanity and the world around us, in particular the illusion of mastery that explains so much of our excess. That’s clear from the name alone—the image of a small cropduster plane flying over a field and bombarding it with chemicals. The science and technology that is involved in the process of destroying the bugs that threaten crop yields is amazing—we had to master flight, create the chemicals used, establish the infrastructure necessary to make this all possible, yet there is also something alarming about the cavalier, almost blind way we have no problems gassing a field without worrying about what it does to the environment around it, or worrying about the fact that we will soon eat the crops that were just gassed—we are literally sustaining ourselves on our chemical warfare.

The first verse starts out with some familiar cycle of life imagery, but it works well because Eddie gives it a really nice vocal melody here. The song gets more cryptic immediately afterwards—The tension in the “eyes no eyes” verse is between sight and blindness—the fact that our sight makes no difference if we refuse to look at the world around us. If we only gaze inward, if we only look at ourselves and deny our relationship to the rest of the world around us--that we are a part of the world and do not transcend its boundaries—then we are functionally blind and will continue blissfully preparing the way for our own extinction, digging our graves in our garden.

The chorus continues this theme—despite our illusions of mastery (the control we ‘practice’) our lives are ultimatley contingent, beyond our own control. We did not ‘think’ of the world, and since it isn’t our creation we do not get to determine the rules that will govern us. The world ‘thought’ us—and as such we are still subject to the rules that it has laid down. Nature rules man, rather than man ruling nature—the reverse of what we usually believe.

The second verse finds the song getting more urgent, prophesizing dire warnings about where we are going and what is going to happen to us if we don’t change direction. The stakes are enormously high, and when the costs of environmental collapse catch up to us we will be unable to just wish them away or start over. I’m not sure who the ‘daddy’ refers to. I hear it as a condemnation of an older generation of leadership, those who are most blinded by the myths of power and control that enable them to cavalierly dismiss climate change as either made up, or something that is easily solvable without any fundamental change in the way we understand our relationship to the world.

The outro references to fluency could have two meanings. It could just be an awkward reference to affluence (a la ½ full), a call for those who benefit the most from our myths and the reality of our exploitation to abandon the old stories in favor of newer, healthier ones. But if you’re fluent in something it means you understand it and can communicate with it in its own terms, and it could also be a call for those who get it, those who understand to do more, to work harder at communicating the gravity of what is going on around us. And the song ends with the final image of the moon revolving around the earth—a reminder of how large and awesome the larger laws that govern the world are—and that if we wish to be around much longer we must learn to head them. The moon will continue its revolutions regardless of what happens. Will we be here to see it?

In the end it is a song with great ambitions, but it just doesn’t have the power in the music (which is often too sing-songy) or the vocals (which only occasionally have the urgency required) to pull it off. Plus it is almost always disappointing live

Two stars

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Two stars. I agree with Mr. Stip. This song had the potential to be more, but it never came. The ending comes close, but it's just too short. Like a lot of songs on Riot Act, it lacks passion (cliche, I know, but that's all I have at 10:28 a.m. on a Monday).

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3 stars (except I accidentally hit the "2" star rating in the poll :oops: ). Definitely not one of Riot Act's best songs, but still a good, solid composition.

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its ok a guess. i remember reading an interview where eddie said the lyrics are about the arrogance of man. i always thought it was about colors.

2 stars

edit: shouldnt light green be 5 stars?

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4 stars for me. I love this song... too bad Eddie sounds like he could care less when he's singing it (as with most of RA's songs).

Probably my #3 or #4 on RA.

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5 stars :) ...jeff owns this song


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2 stars.

The music is jarring. The lyrics and vocals are OK but it takes awhile for them to get into anykind of flow. The ending part of the song...

"The moon is rolling 'round the world
The moon is rolling 'round the world "

...saves the song from being a 1 star.

I also don't like the...

"I was the fool because I thought
I thought the world
Turns out the world thought me"

...line. My girlfriend thought he was saying "I thought I bought the world, turns out the world bought me." Which in fact I like better.


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YessCode wrote:
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...line. My girlfriend thought he was saying "I thought I bought the world, turns out the world bought me." Which in fact I like better.


well that actually makes much more sense

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Wow, stip summed up my thoughts with his first sentence:

stip wrote:
Cropduster should have been a better song than it is.



I hated it on my first listens. I remember cringing the very first time I heard Eddie sing, "Light green to green, dark green, brown". I've warmed up to it a bit over the years, but it's still only a two star song for me. I do like the imagery the title gives the chorus/outro lyrics. I'm actually reminded of the scene in Sesame Street's "Follow That Bird" movie where Bert & Ernie commandeer the biplane and sing the song Upside Down World:

There's upside-down everything all over town
It all looks so funny, that I've got to frown
'Cause a frown! Is a smile! When it's turned upside-down!
In an upside down, what side down?, whoops side down, oops side down, what side down, upside down woooooorld!!!!!


Anyway, as with most Cameron-penned songs in the PJ catalog, it's just way too disjointed and never feels like you're going anywhere, rather you're being jolted in one direction and then the other just as quickly. The lyrics here don't really support this type of song structure, IMO.

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I love this song, it's just so cool. I wish I had the time to really explain, I don't understand the criticism this song and Riot Act gets. The outro is perfection and it kicks ass...the outro on this, 1/2 Full, GD, Bushleaguer, All or None and Help are tremendous. So many awesome outros on one album.


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It's a decent song, but Riot Act has better. 3 stars.

Granted, this song would likely be top 3 No Code. :wink:

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pearljamfan80 wrote:
It's a decent song, but Riot Act has better. 3 stars.

Granted, this song would likely be top 3 No Code. :wink:


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dirtyfrank0705 wrote:
pearljamfan80 wrote:
It's a decent song, but Riot Act has better. 3 stars.

Granted, this song would likely be top 3 No Code. :wink:


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:lol: I'm just messing. I'd put Hail Hail, In My Tree, Smile, Lukin, Red Mosquito and Present Tense above Cropduster.

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3 stars

song is a "tweener"

decent. not great. lyrics could have been better, bit more specific would have been nice. I do like the theme of the song.

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4 stars for me.

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I find it hard to register what something "should have been" as vaild criticism. Along that line of thinking, any song can be made better.

Anyway, Cropduster yields a decent listening harvest: 4 stars.

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2.5 = 3 stars. weird ass poll.


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I know a couple of people who don't like this one. I don't agree with them. It is a quite good song. And unfortunately, it has disappeared from the setlits...

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4 stars. Very underrated tune.

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