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I figured the fight of the decade needed it's own thread. The 24/7 show has been fantastic and i'm really looking foward to this on Saturday night. I don't expect it to be an unbelievable fight but it should still be pretty good cause both of these guys are pretty damn good.
I have Mayweather winning by TKO in the 11th. De La Hoya will take plenty of punishment and not answer the bell for the 12th. And yes, i'm putting every red cent on Mayweather.
I'm trying to get Costner to post the chat with Mayweather from today. You need insider to read it(fucking annoying).
Anybody gonna get the fight or watch it? Predictions?
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Chat with Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Welcome to The Show! On Tuesday, boxer Floyd Mayweather Jr. will stop by to chat about his upcoming historic fight!
''Everyone is talking. On May 5, the whole world will be watching - De La Hoya vs. Mayweather: The World Awaits.'' Mayweather will face De La Hoya on May 5 in what everyone is already calling one of the greatest fights of all time. The fight can be seen live on HBO Pay-Per-View. The MGM Grand in Las Vegas will host the fight which begins at 9 p.m. ET/6 p.m. PT.
De La Hoya's WBC Junior Middleweight title is on the line as the two former U.S. Olympians enter the ring. De La Hoya is a six-division world champion, while Mayweather is unbeaten en route to four division champships.
Mayweather enters the ring against De La Hoya with a perfect 37-0 record, having defeated Carlos Baldomir and Zab Judah in 2006. In his career, Mayweather has defeated nine former or current world champions. He is called by most observers the best pound-for-pound fighter in boxing.
Send in your questions now, then join Mayweather on Tuesday at 4 p.m. ET!
And be sure to tune into HBO for the all-access prime time series "De La Hoya/Mayweather 24/7." The four-part series, with unprecedented access, will chronicle the fighters' preparations for the May 5 mega-fight at MGM Grand and will provide viewers with a compelling look at two extraordinary champions.
Other Mayweather-De La Hoya related chats this week: (All times ET)
Monday: 2 p.m. - Wladimir Klitschko | 4 p.m. - Rocky Juarez
Wednesday: 2 p.m. - Oscar De La Hoya
Thursday: 4 p.m. - Tommy Hearns
Friday: 1 p.m. - Bernard Hopkins | 2:30 p.m. - Shane Mosley | 3 p.m. - Dan Rafael
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SportsNation Buzzmaster: We've got Floyd!
Javier Garca Fresno, California: How do intend to deal with De la hoya's power since you are moving up in weight?
SportsNation Floyd Mayweather: He's going to have to worry about my power. He's going to have to be worried about my power.
Eric (Grand Rapids, MI): If you win the fight in close contest, would you be willing to give de la hoya a second chance?
SportsNation Floyd Mayweather: You mean when I win. Most definitely. If the fans want to see it again, then I'm all for it. He will be my last opponent, though.
john rogers: If Oscar wins, will you retire or request a rematch?
SportsNation Floyd Mayweather: There's no way he's going to win, so strike that question.
El Segundo, CA: Where do you rank this fight in terms of personal importance for your career?
SportsNation Floyd Mayweather: This is the fight that's going to put the stamp on my career and define my legacy. What better way to go out than on top and undefeated?
Bronx, New York: Floyd, How's your wrist? Are you concerned about it being damaged during the fight? You're one of my favorite all time boxers!
SportsNation Floyd Mayweather: No, my hands are in great shape. I'm just looking forward and getting going.
Burns (Charleston, SC): What's up Floyd? I'm a huge fan and I've loved you on HBO 24/7. Once you are finsihed proving yourself in the boxing ring is there any chance you would ever consider taking on somebody in UFC? I know I'd be rooting for you buddy!
SportsNation Floyd Mayweather: No. For what?
SportsNation Floyd Mayweather: I'm the best fighter in the world. The UFC is what it is. Everyone knows how I feel about that.
Nick, California: What advantages do you think you have over the golden boy?
SportsNation Floyd Mayweather: I'm the best fighter in the world and that speaks for itself.
Jim (Massachusetts): Floyd, we all know that your father use to be De La Hoya's trainer. Now that he's on board with you, has he given you any pointers on how to attack De La Hoya?
SportsNation Floyd Mayweather: Yeah, he's given me a lot of insights, but I know what it takes to beat Oscar, because he's a one hand fighter and he's not going to be competitive with me.
jose vazquez: to floyd: Would you consider this to be your last fight?
SportsNation Floyd Mayweather: Yes this will be my last fight.
Del ( Miami, Florida): Floyd, where do you think this fight will rank amongst the great fights of all time? Does this fight bring boxing back to where it use to be?
SportsNation Floyd Mayweather: Well, I'm going to dominate him from the word go. We'll see what he brings to the table. I know what I'm going to do. We'll let the fans decide where this fight stands when it's all over.
Esteban (New York, NY): How do you feel your strength, and chin will carry forward in the higher weight class? In addition, does the added weight feel natural?
SportsNation Floyd Mayweather: I feel very strong. I'm ready mentally and physically and ready to go. He's going to have to worry about what I bring to the table.
Bobby Austin, Texas: How many rounds do you believe it will take you to knock out Oscar?
SportsNation Floyd Mayweather: I'm just focusing on going out and putting on an outstanding performance. THe rest will take care of itself.
Saul- Providence, RI: Your personality and ability are making boxing exciting to watch again. Why the talk of hanging up the gloves after this bout with Oscar?
SportsNation Floyd Mayweather: Because I've proved everything I need to prove. I'm looking forward to going on to bigger and better things.
Brad(Gulf Breeze, Florida): Since Sugar Shane Mosley beat Oscar twice why would you not want to fight him when this is over? Seems like it would be a huge payday?
SportsNation Floyd Mayweather: Shane brings nothing to the table.
Chad Gray, Hudson South Dakota: I was curious, before Oscar De La Hoya, who was the toughest competitor that you have faced?
SportsNation Floyd Mayweather: I've fought a lot of good fighters out there.
Mitch (Cedar Rapids, Iowa): You and I both know you're winning this fight. Still, what worries you most about De La Hoya?
SportsNation Floyd Mayweather: I'm not the least bit worried about him. Not at all.
Nik (Branford, CT): What can we expect from you after your boxing career? Hollywood? Training younger boxers?
SportsNation Floyd Mayweather: Yes, I'm looking forward to moving on with my promotional company. I'm looking to going into movies. Lots of television. Promoting a lot of concerts. I look forward to further establishing the Mayweather brand.
SportsNation Floyd Mayweather: Thank you for all your support. Be sure to tune in Saturday night. I promise you I won't let you down.
There is zero chance of De La Hoya quitting on his stool. He'll take his beating like a man, or go down from a "liver" punch.
I'm taking De La Hoya in a controversial split decision.
Those 24/7 shows have been great. I had no idea Mayweather kept stacks of cash around his house like that. Also, I had no clue Freddie Roach had Parkinsons. I always thought he was a little off, but that kind of blew me away.
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shinkdew wrote:
There is zero chance of De La Hoya quitting on his stool. He'll take his beating like a man, or go down from a "liver" punch.
He basically gave up against Hopkins. I realize Hopkins works the body well but i think De La Hoya had enough and quit. Mayweather doesn't have even close to the power of Hopkins but he throws a shitload of more punches and is extremely accurate. I think he'll quit after 30 minutes of punishment.
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I'm taking De La Hoya in a controversial split decision.
This scares the shit out of me cause it's promoted by Golden Boy(they pick the judges) and the controversial decision is a big possibility. I don't think Mayweather will let it get there though.
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First, there's no chance that this is his last fight. I can't stand when boxers say this. How many times has Hopkins said this already?
Second, I'm not sure why Mayweather insists that his legacy will be that the is the greatest fighter of all time. If you look at his opponents over the years they really are not all that impressive. He beat Jab judah, a past his prime Gatti, Castillo was decent, Coralles. Now a well past his prime Oscar. Don't get me wrong, he is an excellent fighter but this is hardly the golden age of boxing he is fighting in.
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jimmac24 wrote:
First, there's no chance that this is his last fight. I can't stand when boxers say this. How many times has Hopkins said this already?
Second, I'm not sure why Mayweather insists that his legacy will be that the is the greatest fighter of all time. If you look at his opponents over the years they really are not all that impressive. He beat Jab judah, a past his prime Gatti, Castillo was decent, Coralles. Now a well past his prime Oscar. Don't get me wrong, he is an excellent fighter but this is hardly the golden age of boxing he is fighting in.
totally agree, he's not even close to one of the greatest ever. If he beats Oscar i'll put him on the same level as Roy Jones but wouldn't put his name near Robinson, Sugar Ray Leanard, Hagler, Duran etc.. He hasn't fought enough to come close to those guys.
And no way does he retire. He loves money and boxing is the only way he'll make as much as he does now.
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Clubber wrote:
jimmac24 wrote:
First, there's no chance that this is his last fight. I can't stand when boxers say this. How many times has Hopkins said this already?
Second, I'm not sure why Mayweather insists that his legacy will be that the is the greatest fighter of all time. If you look at his opponents over the years they really are not all that impressive. He beat Jab judah, a past his prime Gatti, Castillo was decent, Coralles. Now a well past his prime Oscar. Don't get me wrong, he is an excellent fighter but this is hardly the golden age of boxing he is fighting in.
totally agree, he's not even close to one of the greatest ever. If he beats Oscar i'll put him on the same level as Roy Jones but wouldn't put his name near Robinson, Sugar Ray Leanard, Hagler, Duran etc.. He hasn't fought enough to come close to those guys.
And no way does he retire. He loves money and boxing is the only way he'll make as much as he does now.
Beating De La Hoya won't really impress me, it wasnt impressive when Hopkins beat him either. He is a has been who is in for a big payday. Sure he is working hard and wants to win but its not the 1990 De La Hoya we're talking about. Winning a fight he is supposed to dominate isn't doing it for me.
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De La Hoya-Mayweather will separate boxing from thuggish UFC May 2, 2007 By Mike Freeman CBS SportsLine.com National Columnist
This is what the Oscar De La Hoya-Floyd Mayweather fight, one of the most important events in recent sports history, really means: It's boxing's last stand.
Boxing is fighting for its life, and in some ways the largest obstacle to its rebirth is its greatest competitor -- the worst league ever invented, the UFC. Which means it is good vs. evil, Halle Berry vs. Courtney Love, true sport against the mosh pit of sweat and bloodied skull fractures known as ultimate fighting.
It's up to Oscar and Floyd to get boxing back on the national landscape. De La Hoya and Mayweather can single-handedly save their sport from deteriorating into dust while simultaneously stopping the advance of the UFC barbarians at the gate, trying to destroy boxing by polluting pay-per-view with their brand of low-brow, ghetto-fabulous hooliganism.
This is it. This is when boxing emerges from its great depression riding the shoulders of De La Hoya and finally strikes a blow to the caged ignorance that is mixed martial arts.
It will happen.
In the coming days, you will read foofs who will say boxing can never survive, despite one of the more glorious bouts just several days away. On Thursday, you will attempt to stomach the dopey ramblings of my good friend Gregg Doyel, otherwise known as Captain Persnickety, downplaying this grand moment in history. He's probably another ultimate fighting apologist as well.
Mixed martial arts will never be as good as boxing on its worst day. Many of the ultimates are nothing but thugs and ruffians. All that league has done is take a few former nightclub bouncers, knuckle crackers and parolees, put on some fancy TV graphics and told them, "Kick the other guy in the nuts."
No skill is required to knee someone in the groin (and it happens despite rules stating it is illegal). I'm kneeing Doyel in the groin now. See, was that difficult?
Next on Spike TV: Man eats another man's face. Then some dork will call it a sport.
The UFC has no credibility. UFC equals the Ultimate Farcical Clown league.
And please do not wax poetic about the UFC's popularity. Of course people watch the UFC. It's human cockfighting. It appeals to the lowest common denominator of human existence.
The message boards and my e-mail will be irradiated with balderdash about how the mainstream media is simply a bunch of snobs and we don't "get" the Ultimate Farcical Clown league. I love the NFL. Only Roman gladiators had a more dangerous sporting profession. The NFL is more violent than the UFC, but football at least possesses a veneer of being civilized.
Boxing is almost comically imperfect. It is full of crooks, con artists and ear biters (and that's just a weekend in Atlantic City with Mike Tyson). Despite its faults and notwithstanding the massive greed that has caused boxing to collapse on itself like a dying sun, boxing has more charm in its broken pinky than the Ultimate Farcical Clown league does in its entire crappy organization.
No UFC goon has or ever will possess the grace and natural showmanship of De La Hoya or the true fearsome fighting skills of Mayweather.
Notice the word: skills. This match will not resemble a bar-room brawl but meticulous, highly practiced, man-to-man warfare between two skilled, all-time athletes.
It is only a matter of time before the UFC suckers, er, fans realize they have been fooled by a Jedi mind trick.
The UFC should be banned; the De La Hoya-Mayweather bout should be embraced.
The fact a non-heavyweight match is getting so much attention shows that boxing still has appeal (and even I once thought it was dead). The fact boxing has survived despite so many scandals and crooked promoters demonstrate it has resilience.
"This (fight) is important because boxing is at its lowest point and boxing has been at its lowest point for quite a while now," De La Hoya told the New York Post. "Boxing is always taking these low blows left and right from people. This will give it a good shot in the arm."
The fight can do more than that. It can begin a resurgence perhaps not seen before in American sports. If the fight is particularly competitive, casual fans will give boxing another look and the all-important advertisers will again open their wallets instead of turning their backs.
Then maybe we can begin to put the sad joke that is the UFC behind us.
And once again we can get excited about a real sport.
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I'm not a big UFC fan at all but i have no problem with it. The marketing is great and at least it isn't half as shady as boxing is. Boxing deserves its place in the mainstream for a lot of reasons. The stamina, the ballsyness, the skill, the competitiors, the intelligence of some fighters, the history, etc...But it a lot of ways they deserve being out of the national loop right now for their corruption and the enormous greed of the promoters.
You did it to yourself boxing and that's why the UFC has basically surpassed you in the mainstream. It doesn't produce the best athletes and doesn't even come close to gate receipts or PPV sales but it is more popular right now. And columns like that one are just ignorant. Plus, this fight isn't going to save boxing. Not even close. It will probably forever be in the underground until they put a government in place that isn't all about the money. The public isn't going to deal with shitty integrity anymore....actually, baseball seems to be hanging in there,.
Olympians and All-Americans aren't the best athletes?
Boxing is cool, and the lack of real high level boxers in MMA really suprises me. The sport has seen world-class competitors in wrestling, kickboxing and muay thai, and black belts in jiu-jitsu, tae-kwon-do, judo, hapkido and ninjitsu....but for some reason, much of the boxing community has a real problem with the sport. Mayweather has been pretty open about his negative opinions on "ultimate fighting," but De La Hoya is supportive...he actually trained Diego Sanchez for his most recent fight in April.
I would love to see a Floyd Mayweather in MMA. Hell, if I were that good at boxing, you know I'd want to test my skills in an environment that closely resembles a no-holds-barred scenario. But frankly, I think boxers are intimidated by MMA...both in terms of its threat to boxing's popularity, and the fact that grapplers are statistically more successful.
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I'm sick of hearing how this is one of the biggest fights ever etc. etc. They are on a promoting rampage for this fight. To me, this media hype is being pushed by boxing enthusiasts to try and "save" the sport. It's not as great of a matchup as they are making this out to be. De La Hoya is WAY past his prime yet people keep writing these articles about how great of a fighter he is. These are the same people who wrote about how washed up he was after Hopkins dominated him. I'm tired of the media trying to pull the wool over people's eyes with this fight.
The only way this fight goes Oscar's way is if there is a shady judgement for the media darling like Sugar Ray vs Hagler 20 years ago.
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mowbs wrote:
Clubber wrote:
UFC doesn't produce the best athletes
Olympians and All-Americans aren't the best athletes?
Boxing is cool, and the lack of real high level boxers in MMA really suprises me. The sport has seen world-class competitors in wrestling, kickboxing and muay thai, and black belts in jiu-jitsu, tae-kwon-do, judo, hapkido and ninjitsu....but for some reason, much of the boxing community has a real problem with the sport. Mayweather has been pretty open about his negative opinions on "ultimate fighting," but De La Hoya is supportive...he actually trained Diego Sanchez for his most recent fight in April.
I would love to see a Floyd Mayweather in MMA. Hell, if I were that good at boxing, you know I'd want to test my skills in an environment that closely resembles a no-holds-barred scenario. But frankly, I think boxers are intimidated by MMA...both in terms of its threat to boxing's popularity, and the fact that grapplers are statistically more successful.
Boxers have little chance vs MMA fighters because since they were kids they are trained to BOX, not to grapple. Any boxer is going to destroy any UFC fighter in a boxing match, in similar weight classes. Thats just a fact. The same edge has to go to a MMA fighter vs a boxer the other way around. I would say that a boxer has a much better chance beating a MMA fighter in his game than vice versa.
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mowbs wrote:
Clubber wrote:
UFC doesn't produce the best athletes
Olympians and All-Americans aren't the best athletes?
Boxing is cool, and the lack of real high level boxers in MMA really suprises me. The sport has seen world-class competitors in wrestling, kickboxing and muay thai, and black belts in jiu-jitsu, tae-kwon-do, judo, hapkido and ninjitsu....but for some reason, much of the boxing community has a real problem with the sport. Mayweather has been pretty open about his negative opinions on "ultimate fighting," but De La Hoya is supportive...he actually trained Diego Sanchez for his most recent fight in April.
I would love to see a Floyd Mayweather in MMA. Hell, if I were that good at boxing, you know I'd want to test my skills in an environment that closely resembles a no-holds-barred scenario. But frankly, I think boxers are intimidated by MMA...both in terms of its threat to boxing's popularity, and the fact that grapplers are statistically more successful.
Well, this is all gonna be opinion here but i don't think putting somebody in a choke-hold is athletic. It's a "skill". I also think Mayweather would beat the living shit out of anybody in MMA. Not cause he's stronger, but cause he can land perfect punches in sequence with so much more precision than an MMA fighter. But that's whole other thread. And he has no reason to get seriously hurt in a MMA match that would pay him about 20 million less than he's getting for this fight.
And yes, the grapplers are much more successful in MMA. John Ruiz was very successful in the heavyweight division and held multiple belts for years at one time. He was also the most boring champion ever and probnably is a big part why the whole sport of boxing has been sunk to indie fans. He was the king of the grappling. ugh
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jimmac24 wrote:
I'm sick of hearing how this is one of the biggest fights ever etc. etc. They are on a promoting rampage for this fight. To me, this media hype is being pushed by boxing enthusiasts to try and "save" the sport. It's not as great of a matchup as they are making this out to be. De La Hoya is WAY past his prime yet people keep writing these articles about how great of a fighter he is. These are the same people who wrote about how washed up he was after Hopkins dominated him. I'm tired of the media trying to pull the wool over people's eyes with this fight.
The only way this fight goes Oscar's way is if there is a shady judgement for the media darling like Sugar Ray vs Hagler 20 years ago.
Funny how we never had a boxing debate while hanging out. I should have known a Philly Boy would know his shit. However, i have no issue with the promotion. The odds are barely at 2 to 1 so it's not a total mismatch. Oscar is the biggest name in the sport right now and they are gonna promote it to death. Why wouldn't they try to reach new fans or old fans by promoting the shit out of this thing?
I was always a huge Hagler fan and cried when he lost Sugar ray in 87. My dad groomed me to hate Sugar Ray so i had a bond with a grinder like Hagler(especailly after watching the Hearns and Mugabi fights). But...I think leonard won that fight. It was extremely close but i think Ray fought better and deserved to win. Maybe it's cause Hagler didn't do as much as he usually did, but the Marvelous one sure didn't fight his fight at all and looked sluggish the whole way
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