It seems obvious that first Ten and Vs., Stone probably dug what Ed did lyrically with his compositions.

During Vitalogy and No Code, do you think this was the case (Last Exit, STBC, Tremor Christ, Satan's Bed, Hail Hail, Who You Are, Red Mosquito)

And how do you think Stone felt about the songs Ed began to pen solo for Vitalogy and No Code?

stone hates ed

The whole band has sort of conceded that Pearl Jam is now Ed's band in a lot of ways, but I don't think any of them resent that. Stone still writes plenty of quality songs and is well respected by the music world. When Ed or whoever doesn't take one of his songs for Pearl Jam, he still has a lot of other avenues he's pursued, like Brad and his solo stuff. So, I don't think he resents Ed's sort of 'takeover' at all.

I would think that Stone and Ed pretty much only have a musical relationship. I'm sure they have a lot of respect for each other but I can't see them being close friends.

during Long Road at '95 RedRocks, Stone seemed outright uninterested in listening to Eddie sing the song. makes me wonder about his interest in the rest of Ed's songs, but also the songs which Stone wrote and Ed gave lyrics to

Musically i'm sure Stone finds quite a few of Ed's songs boring, especially for Pearl Jam. Stone and Jeff originally envisioned as this big two guitar band with nice interaction between the guitars. Ed primarily is a singer songwriter and his songs are for the most part based on a sole guitar. In the early days an Ed song like Porch or RVM benfited from a band approach and having the big musical breakdown in it. Now an Ed song like Man of The Hour or Long Road sound like an Ed solo song. The two guitar strength of the band is not used and there is zero interactioon between the guitars. I'm sure there are times when Stone is playing one of these thinking "Why do I bother on this song?? Ed could easily play my part, at least Mikey gets the 30 second solo. And people wonder why I sometimes look disintersted compared to the early days. I wish they'd wake up and realize I am disinterested. Now how does that riff I'm writing for Brad go."

I see what youre saying but..those songs are few and far between. Ed has like one or two of his singer songwrtiers songs on an album, if that.

I think in the early days the band did a better job making an Ed song into a Pearl Jam song.

how so?

Reaviewmirror has three guitars doing the same thing, same with porch. Small town anyone?

no different than , gone, i am mine, tumbing my way, etc..

Isignificanec and grievance they did a good job with...

I dont tihnk its any different than day one. Stone is just not writing as interesting/aggressive material as he once did. I dont think thats eds fault. I dont think its more "pearl jam" than "Eds band". Although its obvious that ed has final say in it, but he's the vocalist and lyricist so...any music piece that doesnt have those two, wont be anything.

how so?

Reaviewmirror has three guitars doing the same thing, same with porch.[/quote]Look at the instrumental breakdown in each of these songs and the jamming that is done live. Compare that to the complete lack of musical breakdown or jamming on Gone, Man of the Hour. I think in the early days the band did a much better job taking on any song and using the strengths of the band to make it better. Now a days they seem to shy away from this and that's one of the reasons all their new songs sound so much better live, where they are forced to use the band.

Look at the instrumental breakdown in each of these songs and the jamming that is done live. Compare that to the complete lack of musical breakdown or jamming on Gone, Man of the Hour. I think in the early days the band did a much better job taking on any song and using the strengths of the band to make it better. Now a days they seem to shy away from this and that's one of the reasons all their new songs sound so much better live, where they are forced to use the band.[/quote]yea but those musical breakdowns only happened cuse they couldnt think of anything else to do with the song. live, sure they mean something, but its just an excuse to not write a bridge or a different part. Obviously they do a much ebtter job with those bridges live now, cause they are more talented..but on the record, and back in the early days...the breakdowns were shit. Three gutiars strumming an A chord, is not using it to their full potential.

I get uninterested too when I just play a D-chord over and over for 5 minutes.

its stones fault for not adding more layers to it. The only thing he does is play it up an octave. thats his fault

although, during the groundworks show he really explroed it quite a bit and gave it a really cool vibe.

also, the songs Ed probably wrote on an acoustic guitar are the ones which garner the most disinterest, I would suspect. and even in the live setting on electric, they have more straightforward lyrics and such which discourage "jamming" ala RVM and Porch because of how it would take away from the rest of the song

and to ed's credit, songs like black and alive are pretty straightforward. mike just improvises little fills on top of them. so having a third guitar in the mix, just confounds the needs and roles of additional guitars as well as enables Ed to focus on ripping those songs, as compared to other ones in which he plays along and can't always deliver as fierce performances.

also, during '03 Uniondale Long Road, all of the little fills in the songs were really good

Stone and Eddie are pros, as are all the others. They work together incredibly well. How many bootlegs have you listened to in which they stop mid-song, then come back in on the note they left off on? They wrote 40 songs for S/T, and in interviews talked about paring the tracklist down until they were all happy with the result. I tend to believe this.

LIFE WASTED, LIFE WASTED REPRISE and PARACHUTES are great Stone and Eddie collaborations. GONE is on the album because the others loved it and encouraged Eddie to work up a full-band version. Stone usually looks like he's rocking out to Eddie alone tunes, WWS and SEVERED HAND.

I have no idea if they are pals outside the studio or the tour, but, musically, they are getting along just fine.

For those who hate S/T, sorry, this is where they are all at musically at this moment. Maybe the next album will move in a new direction.

I dont think just because a person seems disinterest during a song, that means that there is a musical quarral. Songs like Long Road, Man of the hour, Gone, are meant for one guitar. Doing something different with a second and third guitar would hurt the song, and erase the songs initial purpose. So he doesnt do much in those songs. I can't count the times where jeff looks disinterested.

I think it would be cool if Stone or Mike start banging some drums or something during those songs to give it more of a backbone.

You look at a band like Radiohead. The song there there. It is meant for one guitar, and thats what they do with it, besides some ambient sounds and parts of the chorus. The rest is a really cool percussion that the guitarist take part in.

I think the band members need to start branching out with some different instruments.

And i dont like boom in the band. He doesnt make much sense for me in the band.

So yeah, it is Stones fault. Its not Ed's fault that Stone can't add to simple songs.

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i wonder if stone hates that ed's contributions and sensibility made him very rich.

It's the Ten and Vs album taht made Stone rich. It is Stones music (rather than Ed's) that especially drove the sales of Ten, songs such as Alive, Even Flow and Black. It is when the band worked together that they all became rich.

I actually disagree. It's the fact that they did videos and five interviews before each sound check that made them rich. And they toured like maniacs. I don't happen to think that Ten is one of their best albums or even necessarily more accessible than some of the others.

It just happens to be the one that had the shit marketed out of it.

You're out of your mind if you don't think that a video for BETTER MAN wouldn't have driven Vitalogy into Ten's sales realm. Or a video for any of the singles they did release from Vitalogy, and maybe a tour that wasn't cancelled.

Ask any non-PJ fan what their favorite PJ song is, and if they don't say LAST KISS, they more often than not say BETTER MAN.