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dissident27 wrote:
conoalias wrote:
dissident27 wrote:
conoalias wrote:
stip wrote:
dissident27 wrote:
I love PJ's throwaway songs: Whipping, Habit, Lukin, Brain of J, MFC, Green Disease, U ect., and this song is no exception. Along with Unemployable and Parachutes, this was one of the songs from the new album I really liked instantly. I do agree that sequencing-wise, putting it between Unemployable and Gone was a bad decision. Still, I think the song is really fun and I like it.
I'm kind of suprised by what you include as a throw away song. Except for U and Lukin those all seem like full realized efforts to me
looks like he doesn't really like songs under 3 minutes.
How did you miss the words LOVE and LIKE. I said I LIKED Big Wave three times. The first line is "I LOVE PJ's throwaway songs", not "I don't really like PJ's throwaway songs. All those songs I listed, with the exception of Whipping, are among my FAVORITE PJ songs. As for calling them throwaway tracks, I consider a throwaway track something fast and fun and incomplex. In other words, almost everything by the Ramones is a quick throwaway track that they wrote and recorded in less time than it takes Eddie to write one line of a song like Immortality. That doesn't mean that I don't love The Ramones, and it doesn't mean that I don't love PJ's quicker, punkier tracks.
i see what you're saying now, but i don't think "throwaway" is the correct word in your case, throwaway means crap basically. hence my misunderstanding.
So Stupid Mop would be an example of a throwaway track? That makes sense. I don't know what I didn't understand what the word really meant. By the way, U and Lukin kick ass. Just making all the haters out there aware of the facts.
Stupid Mop is better than most of Avocado
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its a good, energetic song that i really enjoy. i agree about the placement of the song, though. it should have been switched with unemployable. it fits nicely following parachutes i think.
Not only does it not fit on the album overall, Big Wave following Parachutes would have been horrendous. Are you suggesting this because of the "wave" reference towards the end of Parachutes? I really can't fathom how or why you think BW would follow Parachutes nicely.
I wasn't even thinkng about the "wave" lyric at all.
The music for Parachutes (to me) just feels like the ocean. It feels like I'm out there on a nice calm day floating, feeling my body sway and dip over the water in the same kind of rythym of the quirky little tempo of Paracutes. Just kinda alone with my thoughts, reflecting on things. Then comes Big Wave. Its like the a meteor hit a couple miles out and now the surf is here. It is the musical polar opposite of Parachutes, but for me, its just like a sudden change of weather or wind swell. Its a sudden change, and the feeling is different, but for me, its as if one feeling leads to the other.
I'm probably the only one who even understands what I was trying to say. I really wrote that terribly lol. I understand why most people would feel they don't match. But I also know that I love listening to those two tracks back to back on my way to the beach, so that's what I associate it with in my mind.
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I like your musical description of parachutes
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aprilfifth wrote:
The music for Parachutes (to me) just feels like the ocean. It feels like I'm out there on a nice calm day floating, feeling my body sway and dip over the water in the same kind of rythym of the quirky little tempo of Paracutes. Just kinda alone with my thoughts, reflecting on things. Then comes Big Wave. Its like the a meteor hit a couple miles out and now the surf is here. It is the musical polar opposite of Parachutes, but for me, its just like a sudden change of weather or wind swell. Its a sudden change, and the feeling is different, but for me, its as if one feeling leads to the other.
That was a really good explantion of why those two belong together. I've never thought to listen to them like that before. I've been at the beach when a storm blows in on a bright, sunny day.
I wonder if they agonize over the track listing as much as we do. Whether they listen to the songs in a different order over and over again. It must be really difficult if you're the ones writing and playing them as well.
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conoalias wrote:
dissident27 wrote:
conoalias wrote:
SLH916 wrote:
BadMusic wrote:
Stupid Mop is better than most of Avocado
Which songs on Avocado are better than STUPID MOP?
Army Reserve, Stupid Mop beats all the other ones.
Army Reserve is one of my least favorite Avocado tracks. The verses don't work well with the chorus. I still like it, though.
i respect your opinion, but your opinion is dead wrong.
Does this mean that you actually like ARMY RESERVE or that you tolerate it? I assume that, in your opinion, all other tracks have no redeeming qualities at all.
Which songs on Avocado are better than STUPID MOP?
Army Reserve, Stupid Mop beats all the other ones.
Army Reserve is one of my least favorite Avocado tracks. The verses don't work well with the chorus. I still like it, though.
i respect your opinion, but your opinion is dead wrong.
Does this mean that you actually like ARMY RESERVE or that you tolerate it? I assume that, in your opinion, all other tracks have no redeeming qualities at all.
i love Army Reserve, next to I Am Mine, All Or None & Help Help it's the only post Binaural song i can listen to more than once a day.
i love Army Reserve, next to I Am Mine, All Or None & Help Help it's the only post Binaural song i can listen to more than once a day.
But it's not the lyrics that drive your love for the song?
Do you really think that BIG WAVE has the best lyrics on the album, or were you joking?
given the fact that lyrically Avocado is an hopeless album, i wasn't really joking. i love both music and lyrics of Army Reserve. Both are by far 2 of the best additions to their live sets in the last couple of years.
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conoalias wrote:
given the fact that lyrically Avocado is an hopeless album, i wasn't really joking. i love both music and lyrics of Army Reserve. Both are by far 2 of the best additions to their live sets in the last couple of years.
You should do an SOTM for ARMY RESERVE if no one else has done it.
given the fact that lyrically Avocado is an hopeless album, i wasn't really joking. i love both music and lyrics of Army Reserve. Both are by far 2 of the best additions to their live sets in the last couple of years.
You should do an SOTM for ARMY RESERVE if no one else has done it.
i think it's been done? but either way i always have a hard time putting my feelings for a certain piece of music to text.
i love Army Reserve, next to I Am Mine, All Or None & Help Help it's the only post Binaural song i can listen to more than once a day.
But it's not the lyrics that drive your love for the song?
Do you really think that BIG WAVE has the best lyrics on the album, or were you joking?
given the fact that lyrically Avocado is an hopeless album, i wasn't really joking. i love both music and lyrics of Army Reserve. Both are by far 2 of the best additions to their live sets in the last couple of years.
Really? I don't see that at all.
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aprilfifth wrote:
conoalias wrote:
SLH916 wrote:
conoalias wrote:
i love Army Reserve, next to I Am Mine, All Or None & Help Help it's the only post Binaural song i can listen to more than once a day.
But it's not the lyrics that drive your love for the song?
Do you really think that BIG WAVE has the best lyrics on the album, or were you joking?
given the fact that lyrically Avocado is an hopeless album, i wasn't really joking. i love both music and lyrics of Army Reserve. Both are by far 2 of the best additions to their live sets in the last couple of years.
Really? I don't see that at all.
Yeah that really doesn't ring true for me, either. I'd say it's split pretty equally between hopeless songs (WWS, Comatose, Unemployable, Army Reserve) and hopeful songs (Life Wasted, MITS, Parachutes, Inside Job). But ultimately, because of how the tracks are sequenced, it's more hopeful than not.
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dirtyfrank0705 wrote:
aprilfifth wrote:
conoalias wrote:
SLH916 wrote:
conoalias wrote:
i love Army Reserve, next to I Am Mine, All Or None & Help Help it's the only post Binaural song i can listen to more than once a day.
But it's not the lyrics that drive your love for the song?
Do you really think that BIG WAVE has the best lyrics on the album, or were you joking?
given the fact that lyrically Avocado is an hopeless album, i wasn't really joking. i love both music and lyrics of Army Reserve. Both are by far 2 of the best additions to their live sets in the last couple of years.
Really? I don't see that at all.
Yeah that really doesn't ring true for me, either. I'd say it's split pretty equally between hopeless songs (WWS, Comatose, Unemployable, Army Reserve) and hopeful songs (Life Wasted, MITS, Parachutes, Inside Job). But ultimately, because of how the tracks are sequenced, it's more hopeful than not.
I may be wrong but I thought cono used "hopeless" to say this album sucked lyrically, and not regarding the themes of the songs
I too nominate Army Reserve as the only thing that is better than Stupid Mop on this record
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BadMusic wrote:
dirtyfrank0705 wrote:
aprilfifth wrote:
conoalias wrote:
SLH916 wrote:
conoalias wrote:
i love Army Reserve, next to I Am Mine, All Or None & Help Help it's the only post Binaural song i can listen to more than once a day.
But it's not the lyrics that drive your love for the song?
Do you really think that BIG WAVE has the best lyrics on the album, or were you joking?
given the fact that lyrically Avocado is an hopeless album, i wasn't really joking. i love both music and lyrics of Army Reserve. Both are by far 2 of the best additions to their live sets in the last couple of years.
Really? I don't see that at all.
Yeah that really doesn't ring true for me, either. I'd say it's split pretty equally between hopeless songs (WWS, Comatose, Unemployable, Army Reserve) and hopeful songs (Life Wasted, MITS, Parachutes, Inside Job). But ultimately, because of how the tracks are sequenced, it's more hopeful than not.
I may be wrong but I thought cono used "hopeless" to say this album sucked lyrically, and not regarding the themes of the songs I too nominate Army Reserve as the only thing that is better than Stupid Mop on this record
Liking Stupid Mop over any track on S/T is just nonsense, especially lyrical. Come on, already...
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dirtyfrank0705 wrote:
BadMusic wrote:
dirtyfrank0705 wrote:
aprilfifth wrote:
conoalias wrote:
SLH916 wrote:
conoalias wrote:
i love Army Reserve, next to I Am Mine, All Or None & Help Help it's the only post Binaural song i can listen to more than once a day.
But it's not the lyrics that drive your love for the song?
Do you really think that BIG WAVE has the best lyrics on the album, or were you joking?
given the fact that lyrically Avocado is an hopeless album, i wasn't really joking. i love both music and lyrics of Army Reserve. Both are by far 2 of the best additions to their live sets in the last couple of years.
Really? I don't see that at all.
Yeah that really doesn't ring true for me, either. I'd say it's split pretty equally between hopeless songs (WWS, Comatose, Unemployable, Army Reserve) and hopeful songs (Life Wasted, MITS, Parachutes, Inside Job). But ultimately, because of how the tracks are sequenced, it's more hopeful than not.
I may be wrong but I thought cono used "hopeless" to say this album sucked lyrically, and not regarding the themes of the songs I too nominate Army Reserve as the only thing that is better than Stupid Mop on this record
Liking Stupid Mop over any track on S/T is just nonsense, especially lyrical. Come on, already...
Well, this is just my opinion, almost everything on Avocado have nothing special, they're generic songs with obvious lyrics and obvious music. Stupid Mop is not a song in the classic way, so of course it's hard to compare, but still I think it's a better piece of art than songs on Avocado.
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