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This will never happen, to get the salaries to match up and a fair trade would be impossible. And the Lakers would want half the roster of the Bulls. Its not worth it.

I still think the bulls need to get Zach Randolph. Hinrich, Gordan, Deng, Randolph, Wallace. Thomas and Nocioni off the bench. That would clearly be the best team in the East for years.

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I still think the bulls need to get Zach Randolph. Hinrich, Gordan, Deng, Randolph, Wallace. Thomas and Nocioni off the bench. That would clearly be the best team in the East for years.


And who exactly would they trade to get Randolph in order to have that lineup? Because that won't happen.

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I still think the bulls need to get Zach Randolph. Hinrich, Gordan, Deng, Randolph, Wallace. Thomas and Nocioni off the bench. That would clearly be the best team in the East for years.


And who exactly would they trade to get Randolph in order to have that lineup? Because that won't happen.


I think he has the bulls giving up Duhon and Sweetney.

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If that happened the Lakers fans here would go beserk, and possibly commit suicide.

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I still think the bulls need to get Zach Randolph. Hinrich, Gordan, Deng, Randolph, Wallace. Thomas and Nocioni off the bench. That would clearly be the best team in the East for years.


And who exactly would they trade to get Randolph in order to have that lineup? Because that won't happen.


I think Duhon, Nocioni, Sefalosha and their #9 this year could do the trick.

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If that happened the Lakers fans here would go beserk, and possibly commit suicide.

let's see if we can make this happen team.

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pnjguy wrote:
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I still think the bulls need to get Zach Randolph. Hinrich, Gordan, Deng, Randolph, Wallace. Thomas and Nocioni off the bench. That would clearly be the best team in the East for years.


And who exactly would they trade to get Randolph in order to have that lineup? Because that won't happen.


I think Duhon, Nocioni, Sefalosha and their #9 this year could do the trick.

are you sure you want to give up that much? :lol:

salaries don't work anyway. nocioni and Portland would have to agree to a significant sign and trade...and something tells me the blazers will be able to resist the urge to do so.

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If that happened the Lakers fans here would go beserk, and possibly commit suicide.

let's see if we can make this happen team.


hear hear! :D

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Bulls should just keep doing what they're doing. No need for Kobe.

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Ricardo Tubbs wrote:
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pnjguy wrote:

I still think the bulls need to get Zach Randolph. Hinrich, Gordan, Deng, Randolph, Wallace. Thomas and Nocioni off the bench. That would clearly be the best team in the East for years.


And who exactly would they trade to get Randolph in order to have that lineup? Because that won't happen.


I think Duhon, Nocioni, Sefalosha and their #9 this year could do the trick.

are you sure you want to give up that much? :lol:

salaries don't work anyway. nocioni and Portland would have to agree to a significant sign and trade...and something tells me the blazers will be able to resist the urge to do so.


As of today....

Randolph= 12 mill

Duhon= 3 mil
Nocioni=4 mill
Sefolosha= 1.6 mill
# 9 pick = around 3 mill

Thats pretty close.

We would only be losing 2 guys from the roster, all of which are replaceable. And your getting a 20 and 10 guy in return who can score in the post which is the only need the bulls have.

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i doubt you'll see Sefolosha wearing a non-Bulls uni anytime soon. I'm slightly less doubtful about that prospect for Nocioni, but just barely. If Paxson has shown a weakness as a GM in his short tenure so far, it's that he's overcommitted to "his" guys, though I guess it's hard to discount the results he's gotten doing things that way for only three (four?) years.
As much as I like Nocioni's work ethic, the fact remains he is an effort player foremost, so I'd probably like to see him elsewhere next year, given the money he'll command as a FA and the fact there isn't really a starting spot for him in Chicago.

Oh, and after reading the article linked, I don't even understand why there's a rumor Kobe will be a Bull. Dude said he wouldn't veto a trade to one team, so that means the Lakers are shopping him? please.

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i doubt you'll see Sefolosha wearing a non-Bulls uni anytime soon. I'm slightly less doubtful about that prospect for Nocioni, but just barely. If Paxson has shown a weakness as a GM in his short tenure so far, it's that he's overcommitted to "his" guys, though I guess it's hard to discount the results he's gotten doing things that way for only three (four?) years.
As much as I like Nocioni's work ethic, the fact remains he is an effort player foremost, so I'd probably like to see him elsewhere next year, given the money he'll command as a FA and the fact there isn't really a starting spot for him in Chicago.

Oh, and after reading the article linked, I don't even understand why there's a rumor Kobe will be a Bull. Dude said he wouldn't veto a trade to one team, so that means the Lakers are shopping him? please.


I think that people are overexagerating his "unhappiness" with the team.

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pnjguy wrote:
Ricardo Tubbs wrote:
pnjguy wrote:
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pnjguy wrote:

I still think the bulls need to get Zach Randolph. Hinrich, Gordan, Deng, Randolph, Wallace. Thomas and Nocioni off the bench. That would clearly be the best team in the East for years.


And who exactly would they trade to get Randolph in order to have that lineup? Because that won't happen.


I think Duhon, Nocioni, Sefalosha and their #9 this year could do the trick.

are you sure you want to give up that much? :lol:

salaries don't work anyway. nocioni and Portland would have to agree to a significant sign and trade...and something tells me the blazers will be able to resist the urge to do so.


As of today....

Randolph= 12 mill

Duhon= 3 mil
Nocioni=4 mill
Sefolosha= 1.6 mill
# 9 pick = around 3 mill

Thats pretty close.

We would only be losing 2 guys from the roster, all of which are replaceable. And your getting a 20 and 10 guy in return who can score in the post which is the only need the bulls have.


you have to use next year's info...which mean's Nocioni's 2006/2007 cap value is useless...so like I said, there would have to be a sign and trade. Also, Randolph's deal is for $13.3M next year. Oh, and Portland would laugh at that offer anyway.

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Ricardo Tubbs wrote:
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Ricardo Tubbs wrote:
pnjguy wrote:
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pnjguy wrote:

I still think the bulls need to get Zach Randolph. Hinrich, Gordan, Deng, Randolph, Wallace. Thomas and Nocioni off the bench. That would clearly be the best team in the East for years.


And who exactly would they trade to get Randolph in order to have that lineup? Because that won't happen.


I think Duhon, Nocioni, Sefalosha and their #9 this year could do the trick.

are you sure you want to give up that much? :lol:

salaries don't work anyway. nocioni and Portland would have to agree to a significant sign and trade...and something tells me the blazers will be able to resist the urge to do so.


As of today....

Randolph= 12 mill

Duhon= 3 mil
Nocioni=4 mill
Sefolosha= 1.6 mill
# 9 pick = around 3 mill

Thats pretty close.

We would only be losing 2 guys from the roster, all of which are replaceable. And your getting a 20 and 10 guy in return who can score in the post which is the only need the bulls have.


you have to use next year's info...which mean's Nocioni's 2006/2007 cap value is useless...so like I said, there would have to be a sign and trade. Also, Randolph's deal is for $13.3M next year. Oh, and Portland would laugh at that offer anyway.


Lets assume both teams are over the cap. Teams above the cap (or teams below the cap but would end up more than $100,000 over the cap following a trade) cannot acquire more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary they trade away. There is no lower limit -- teams may divest themselves of as much salary as they wish in a trade.

So Randolph's salary next year is irrelevant. Nocioni's sign and trade would not seem out of the question if they are getting four players in return for one. Which is the case here. I have no idea why Portland would laugh at that.

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pnjguy wrote:
Ricardo Tubbs wrote:
pnjguy wrote:
Ricardo Tubbs wrote:
pnjguy wrote:
Joesanity wrote:
pnjguy wrote:

I still think the bulls need to get Zach Randolph. Hinrich, Gordan, Deng, Randolph, Wallace. Thomas and Nocioni off the bench. That would clearly be the best team in the East for years.


And who exactly would they trade to get Randolph in order to have that lineup? Because that won't happen.


I think Duhon, Nocioni, Sefalosha and their #9 this year could do the trick.

are you sure you want to give up that much? :lol:

salaries don't work anyway. nocioni and Portland would have to agree to a significant sign and trade...and something tells me the blazers will be able to resist the urge to do so.


As of today....

Randolph= 12 mill

Duhon= 3 mil
Nocioni=4 mill
Sefolosha= 1.6 mill
# 9 pick = around 3 mill

Thats pretty close.

We would only be losing 2 guys from the roster, all of which are replaceable. And your getting a 20 and 10 guy in return who can score in the post which is the only need the bulls have.


you have to use next year's info...which mean's Nocioni's 2006/2007 cap value is useless...so like I said, there would have to be a sign and trade. Also, Randolph's deal is for $13.3M next year. Oh, and Portland would laugh at that offer anyway.


Lets assume both teams are over the cap. Teams above the cap (or teams below the cap but would end up more than $100,000 over the cap following a trade) cannot acquire more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary they trade away. There is no lower limit -- teams may divest themselves of as much salary as they wish in a trade.

So Randolph's salary next year is irrelevant. Nocioni's sign and trade would not seem out of the question if they are getting four players in return for one. Which is the case here. I have no idea why Portland would laugh at that.

Because, in descending order, the two most valuable players Portland would receive are Sefolosha and the #9 pick.

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I think Portland would like to get at least ONE all-star caliber player (or at least someone with all-star potential) for their young 20/10 guy. And I don't think a 27-year-old tweener with a bad foot counts. All you're offering is spare parts and a decent draft pick.

and in order to take back Randolph's deal....the Bulls have to send enough salary back to match it. That's why Randolph's deal (or any other contract they take back) is relevant.

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kobe to the Knicks :idea:

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I think Portland would like to get at least ONE all-star caliber player (or at least someone with all-star potential) for their young 20/10 guy. And I don't think a 27-year-old tweener with a bad foot counts. All you're offering is spare parts and a decent draft pick.

and in order to take back Randolph's deal....the Bulls have to send enough salary back to match it. That's why Randolph's deal (or any other contract they take back) is relevant.


The players i proposed in the deal meet the 125% rule, which means Randolph's salary doesnt exceed 125% + $100,000 of the players proposed combined salary. Therefore the deal could go through.

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If that happened the Lakers fans here would go beserk, and possibly commit suicide.

let's see if we can make this happen team.


hear hear! :D
:lol: i wouldn't predict suicide, but imagine that courtside seats would be much easier and cheaper to purchase

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I think Portland would like to get at least ONE all-star caliber player (or at least someone with all-star potential) for their young 20/10 guy. And I don't think a 27-year-old tweener with a bad foot counts. All you're offering is spare parts and a decent draft pick.

and in order to take back Randolph's deal....the Bulls have to send enough salary back to match it. That's why Randolph's deal (or any other contract they take back) is relevant.


The players i proposed in the deal meet the 125% rule, which means Randolph's salary doesnt exceed 125% + $100,000 of the players proposed combined salary. Therefore the deal could go through.

only if they do the sign and trade. of course, Nocioni would have to want to go to Portland....and Portland would have to want Nocioni. I think they'd pass. Salaries aside, Thomas would likely need to be included. And even that might not get it done considering they already have Aldridge. Portland would obviously want Deng...but Chicago would be stupid to include him. I just don't see a match.

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