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Jack Irons. Even if you’re not immediately familiar with the name, it’s guaranteed that you’re familiar with his work. This talented and versatile drummer has played with the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Pearl Jam, Eleven, Joe Strummer, Neil Young and others. With Attention Dimension, his first solo release, Irons steps to the forefront – turning the tables as his former bandmates join in helping him realize his own musical vision.

Attention Dimension defies categorization. While primarily an instrumental work, this sonic smorgasbord pays homage to space rock, world and Indian music as well as indie rock. Irons takes a Pink Floyd classic (“Shine On You Crazy Diamond”) and truly puts his own imprint on the tune with tribal percussion and the tender but menacing vocal courtesy of his friend Eddie Vedder.

To get to the core of understanding how this diverse body of work was born, it’s necessary to take a historical look at Jack Irons’ illustrious career.

Irons started playing drums at the age of 13, taking music lessons with his best friend Hillel Slovak. The two started playing music together after school, eventually hooking up with two schoolmates, Alain Johannes --a guitarist and a short time later a bass player better known as Flea. Their band, Anthym, used to be introduced by one of Flea’s best friends, Anthony Kiedis.

Anthym became What Is This. Flea left to play with Fear. In 1983, he and Kiedis asked Irons and Slovak to help them open for a friend. The four learned one song and debuted as Tony Flow and the Miraculously Majestic Masters of Mayhem. The crowd really dug it, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers were born.

Irons and Slovak played with both bands for a time, and when each band was offered record deals their loyalty and history with Johannes guided them in their decision to choose What Is This. Slovak rejoined the Chili Peppers in the middle of recording the second What Is This album. What Is This disbanded a couple of years later, after Johannes started a new project with Natasha Shneider. The Chili Peppers re-recruited Irons in ’86, in time for the recording of The Uplift Mofo Party Plan. The album and the band began to take off, but Irons started to experience the beginnings of an anxiety disorder. The 1988 death of his best friend Hillel Slovak only made that worse. Irons left the band knowing his illness would not permit him to give the intensity the up and coming band needed.

In late ’88, whilst receiving treatment in hospital Irons got a call from a friend of Joe Strummer. The recording of and subsequent tour around Strummer’s Earthquake Weather had a profound effect – Irons met his wife in San Francisco, and it was at the San Diego show that he met a guy named Eddie Vedder. The two became good friends.

Shortly thereafter, Irons reunited with Alain Johannes and Natasha Shneider and began playing together as Eleven. He was approached by Stone Gossard and Jeff Ament, but turned the project down because, as an expectant father, needing steady work he’d committed to a nine week tour with Red Cross. Gossard and Ament played Irons a demo without vocals and asked if he knew any good singers. Irons immediately passed their demo on to his good friend Vedder. You know how that story turned out.

Although Irons had other opportunities to play with Pearl Jam in the early ‘90’s, it wasn’t until fall of 1994 that it happened. (Interestingly, Matt Cameron ended up finishing the record Irons had started with Eleven in 1994) That was also the year that he began recording his first piece of drum music – a demo called “Small Mosquito” that Pearl Jam liked to play before taking the stage. His time with Pearl Jam encompassed the recording of Merkinball, Neil Young’s Mirrorball, No Code and Yield, as well as extensive touring. In 1998 on the Australian tour, Irons’ anxiety disorder got the best of him and he decided to take a break from touring. Matt Cameron stepped in.

The subsequent years have been about recovery, healing and right living for Irons. The need to create never diminished, and Irons vowed that if he could finish an album of his own, he would. He began to seriously record his own music in the fall of ’99, taking time out to record a new Eleven album, Howling Book, which the band released on its own label in 2003.

Attention Dimension is brimming with vitality – and with collaborations from Irons’ longtime friends. Gossard, Ament, Flea, Johannes, Shneider and Vedder all make appearances, as does Primus’ Les Claypool. It’s an album that captures the wonder of new opportunities, continued discovery and accomplishment. It took five years on paper, but it’s the work of a lifetime.


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A red dot does look like a mosquito bite.

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Although Irons had other opportunities to play with Pearl Jam in the early ‘90’s, it wasn’t until fall of 1994 that it happened. (Interestingly, Matt Cameron ended up finishing the record Irons had started with Eleven in 1994) That was also the year that he began recording his first piece of drum music – a demo called “Small Mosquito” that Pearl Jam liked to play before taking the stage. .


I'm not convinced that this is Red Dot. I could just be a different piece of music. If anyone saw a gig on that tour, and I'm sure someone here did, was the opening music Red Dot, or was it something else?


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Although Irons had other opportunities to play with Pearl Jam in the early ‘90’s, it wasn’t until fall of 1994 that it happened. (Interestingly, Matt Cameron ended up finishing the record Irons had started with Eleven in 1994) That was also the year that he began recording his first piece of drum music – a demo called “Small Mosquito” that Pearl Jam liked to play before taking the stage. .


I'm not convinced that this is Red Dot. I could just be a different piece of music. If anyone saw a gig on that tour, and I'm sure someone here did, was the opening music Red Dot, or was it something else?


They played the early, instrumental version of The Colour Red (aka Red Dot) as their intro music to tons of shows in 1995-1998. It's on plenty of audience recordings from the time.


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I hope this is okay to post this. If it's not, just let me know and I'll take it down. Here's "Small Mosquito" taken from a bootleg for Soldier Field 95 on the Monkeywrench Radio intro:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UXOGSIGO

PS - I'm sure it was used other times, but it was also played as intro music on Randall's Island 96.


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That was a pretty long read for such a short piece of music. :|

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it's still a kick ass story


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it's still a kick ass story


Hey, no secrets here about how I feel for ol' Jack. I love the guy. I just find it comical that the piece itself took longer to read than the musical composition it explains.

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Hey, no secrets here about how I feel for ol' Jack. I love the guy. I just find it comical that the piece itself took longer to read than the musical composition it explains.


very comical indeed


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I wish we had more info about Jack joining and Jack leaving. I like Matt, but when he joined, they became something else, or maybe they already were.


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I wish we had more info about Jack joining and Jack leaving. I like Matt, but when he joined, they became something else, or maybe they already were.


I definitely agree that the US Yield tour with Matt on drums was a turning point for the band, whether that change was positive or negative I guess depends on the individual and what they want out of rock band.

I can't help but feel that "my" Pearl Jam went to sleep and never woke up after Jack left. The band that was continually searching for a new way, the band that chose to make tough decisions to put their art before their business (mainly releasing Who You Are as a single to lead-off No Code...that took fuckin' balls).

From the '98 US Yield tour onwards, for better or worse, Pearl Jam were a stadium rock 'n' roll band. A damn good one, and better than any other, but they haven't been MORE than that since Jack left.


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I can't help but feel that "my" Pearl Jam went to sleep and never woke up after Jack left. The band that was continually searching for a new way, the band that chose to make tough decisions to put their art before their business (mainly releasing Who You Are as a single to lead-off No Code...that took fuckin' balls).

From the '98 US Yield tour onwards, for better or worse, Pearl Jam were a stadium rock 'n' roll band. A damn good one, and better than any other, but they haven't been MORE than that since Jack left.



As much as I love PJ's entire body of work, I really have to agree with you here. But be thankful that Jack was a part of the band's maturing that's brought about the PJ we see today, and I think Yield is the album that signals the switch from 90's PJ to 21st century PJ.

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that was a fun little fact, although the song is still horrible

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I can't help but feel that "my" Pearl Jam went to sleep and never woke up after Jack left. The band that was continually searching for a new way, the band that chose to make tough decisions to put their art before their business (mainly releasing Who You Are as a single to lead-off No Code...that took fuckin' balls).

From the '98 US Yield tour onwards, for better or worse, Pearl Jam were a stadium rock 'n' roll band. A damn good one, and better than any other, but they haven't been MORE than that since Jack left.



As much as I love PJ's entire body of work, I really have to agree with you here. But be thankful that Jack was a part of the band's maturing that's brought about the PJ we see today, and I think Yield is the album that signals the switch from 90's PJ to 21st century PJ.


yeah, I really feel the same way. the thing though, that I cannot comprehend is the fact that prior to Jack leaving, they already had their big summer tour planned, which quite honestly, I cannot even imagine Jack pulling off, and especially not as damn good as Matt did. i mean, the band got a live cd out of it (LO2L). hmmm....


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spenno wrote:
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I wish we had more info about Jack joining and Jack leaving. I like Matt, but when he joined, they became something else, or maybe they already were.


I definitely agree that the US Yield tour with Matt on drums was a turning point for the band, whether that change was positive or negative I guess depends on the individual and what they want out of rock band.

I can't help but feel that "my" Pearl Jam went to sleep and never woke up after Jack left. The band that was continually searching for a new way, the band that chose to make tough decisions to put their art before their business (mainly releasing Who You Are as a single to lead-off No Code...that took fuckin' balls).

From the '98 US Yield tour onwards, for better or worse, Pearl Jam were a stadium rock 'n' roll band. A damn good one, and better than any other, but they haven't been MORE than that since Jack left.


Im gonna have to disagree with you on this one. I think the transfer of style had more to do with ed's personal struggle with fame rather than Jack's style of drumming, not to say that he didn't have some influence. Ed also wanted to release a techno album during this time, he was all over the place.

To me, Pearl Jam is more aggressive. Live, Jack was always a step behind the band when it came to faster tempo'd songs. Listening to boots, it almost seemed that they where pulling jack across the finish line.

When Matt arrived, for me, it was more a rebirth, a new beginning if you will. I think Matt pushed the band to new heights and gave them a more of a challenge and more purpose to continue. This is partly because, imo, matt is a better player than Jack.

But i am greatful for what Jack did, not only muscially, but helping the band actually stay together. It was good while it lasted, but i think both needed a change.

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