I'll bite. Punk Dave suggested starting a thread about why there are so many folks who tout the theory that Kerry & all Democrats for that matter want to take their guns away. I call bullshit. I'm a registered Dem and I have no problem with gun ownership, but I do support a ban on assault weapons. Turkey Sub Jr. seems to be against an assault weapons ban. I question why he opposes it and ask anyone else's input into what I perceive as the irrational fear that many have about Dems wanting to outlaw all guns.

Define "assault weapon".

Wow! I've been named in a post!! Sweeeeeeeeeeeet.



And it's not just the illegal "assault weapons" ban, it's any type of gun control I'm against. It only prevents law-abiding citizens their right to keep and bear arms without being infringed upon.

I would define an "assault weapon" as any gun that was designed for military use (a/k/a killing people). This would not include pistols, shotguns, hunting rifles, or any target firearms.

This is obviously not how a politician would define assault weapons.

--PunkDavid

Could someone please explain to me the NEED to own an assault rifle (lets say a TEK9 or AK47)??? I've always wondered why one would need such a weapon. Clearly its not used for hunting or there would be no meat left on the animal to eat (assuming thats why people hunt).

I just ask this because i have never fired a weapon in my life. I've never really wanted to. I don't hunt. I've never felt in danger in my home. Just looking for a little insight here

So you suggest that there should be no limitations whatsoever on you owning any type of firearm that you desire?

And this is obviously why you will never be a politician.

I am so torn on this issue it really frustrates me. On one hand I believe firmly in this right, and wouldn't hesitate to purchase a howitzer if it was permissable. This is because I personally wouldn't use this weapon to shell the children of those who disagree with me but for legitimate sport, like pheasant hunting by artillery. Unfortunately most of the United States refuses to behave in a civil manner and this ruins it for everyone.

Again, personally I see a large correlation between the liberal stance on firearms and the conservative stance on drug control. Anyone removed from the partisan politics that these sides engage in could see how inept the policies we enact are, we just refuse.

I've said it before (and pissed a lot of people off when I did), if I were to keep a gun in my home, I would want a fully automatic assault rifle. Think about it. Let's say you've got a pistol to defend your home and family. For you to actually be able to use it when you need it, you'd have to keep it accessible and loaded, and if you do that, you're MUCH more likely to have a member of your family shot by accident than for you to actually be able to use the gun to defend them (this is statistically documented). If you keep it safely and responsibly locked up, how are you going to get it in time to challenge the burglar in the middle of the night?

The only circumstance that I can conceive of using the gun for defense would be if "they" were coming to get me, and then I'd want to fuck some shit up with my AK-47, boyeee!

--PunkDavid (who's the man with the master plan?)

I wouldn't want a TEK9 or an AK47. Too crappy (TEK9) and pedestrian (AK) for me. And it's not even about hunting for me. I believe that the citizens of the US have a duty to defend themselves in the situation that the gov't becomes overly tyrannical and needs to be taken care of. That probably sounds like I'm paranoid/crazy, but I think the 2nd Amendment has a lot to do with keeping our own government in check through the use of an armed citizenry. There's also the protection of our country from foreign invaders - probably won't happen in my life time, but you never know.

Oh, and to ampson's question: I don't believe that law-abiding citizens should be fettered in any way when it comes to owning or buying firearms.


Back to work.

this is the primary reason why i will never keep a gun in my house

id love a surface to surface missle, thats shit could do some real damage

Alright...I've never owned a gun...haven't shot one in 20 years...I have a perfectly clean record...I throw spiders out the door before I step on them.

Why shouldn't I be allowed to buy an Uzi?

Bravo!!

*applause*

But you have to keep it next to punkdavid's bed.

That would be the "they" I referred to.

--PunkDavid (just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you)

You would probably be better off with a shotgun rather than an automatic rifle. Less likely to hit a family member with bird shot than with a stray AK round (which would be more likely when it's on automatic). Plus some times just the sound of a shotgun being racked can scare off a potential threat inside your home.

Nigga please.

If I get to the point that I'm pulling out my AK, we're not talking about some punk-ass burglar, and I'm not going to blow a big shotgun hole through my wall just to scare some bitch out of my house.

I'm talking about when the BIG shit hits the fan. There aren't going to be any shots fired inside my house. I'm gonna be picking off motherfuckers from the third floor window while my family is hiding out in another room. And I know I'm not getting out alive, but I'm taking as many with me as I got bullets left. Beotch.

--PunkDavid

I think part of the "self defense" is psychological, since, as mentioned earlier, you can't get a safely-locked up gun out in time. I think the idea of there being a gun present just scares off many criminals.

That being said, I think gun control is perfectly fine on a local level. If New York City wants to ban guns in New York City, great. If Washington wants to ban guns in Albuquerque, however, that's a different story.

I think if it did hit the fan, I'd rather a Ma Deuce .50 caliber machine gun, but hey, to each his own.

Does anyone actually think that a bunch of citizens with AK47s stands a fucking chance against the US Armed Forces?
Seriously. That part of the amendment is so antiquated that it's laughable. At the time it was written, most citizens had access to most of the weapons that the armies had. Cannons were probably not normal items around the farm, but most of the armies were militias.
You can have your AK47 when Uncle Sam comes knocking with his Bradley.