With the passing of President Reagan, historians, scholars and journalists have again taken to rating our presidents.
Invariably, greatness is ascribed to only three: Washington, Lincoln and FDR. Which reveals as much about American historians, scholars and journalists as it does about American presidents.
Certainly, Washington is our greatest president, the father of our country and the captain who set our course. But Lincoln is great only if one believes that preventing South Carolina, Georgia and the Gulf states from peacefully seceding justified the suspension of the Constitution, a dictatorship, 600,000 dead and a resort to a total war that ravaged the South for generations.
As for FDR, he was the greatest politician of the 20th century. But why call a president great whose government was honeycombed with spies and traitors, and whose war diplomacy lead to the loss of 10 Christian countries of Eastern Europe to a Muscovite despot whose terrorist regime was the greatest enemy of human freedom in modern history?
FDR restored the nation's confidence in his first term and won a 46-state landslide to a second. But by 1937, the Depression was back and we were rescued only by the vast expenditures of World War II into which, even admirers now admit, FDR lied his country. The man talked peace as he plotted war.
None of the historians, scholars or journalists rate Reagan a great president. Yet his leadership led to the peaceful liberation of a hundred million children and grandchildren of the people FDR sold down the river at Teheran and Yalta, as well as of the 300 million people of the Soviet Union.
And why are Wilson and Truman always listed among the "near great" presidents?
While our entry into World War I ensured Allied victory, Wilson brought home from Versailles a vindictive peace that betrayed his principles, his 14 Points and his solemn word to the German government when it agreed to an armistice. That treaty tore Germany apart and led directly to Hitler and a horrific war of revenge 20 years later. Moreover, Wilson's stubborn refusal to accept any compromise language to protect U.S. sovereignty led to Senate rejection of both his treaty and the League of Nations. Why, then, is this obdurate man "near great"?
As for Truman, he dropped two atom bombs on defenseless cities, sent back 2 million Russian dissidents and POWs to his "Uncle Joe," death and the Gulag, offered to send the USS Missouri to Russia to bring Stalin over to give him equal time to answer Churchill's "Iron Curtain" speech, lost China to communism, fired Gen. MacArthur for demanding victory in Korea, presided over a corrupt administration, left us mired down in a "no-win war" and left office with 23 percent approval.
What is near great about that? Why is Eisenhower, who ended the Korean War in six months, restored America's military might and presided over eight years of secure peace not the greater man?
Now consider one of the men whom all the raters judge a "failure" and among our worst presidents, Warren G. Harding.
Harding served five months less than JFK, before dying in office in 1923. Yet his diplomatic and economic triumphs were of the first order. He negotiated the greatest disarmament treaty of the century, the Washington Naval Agreement, which gave the United States superiority in battleships and left us and Great Britain with capital-ship strength more than three times as great as Japan's. Even Tokyo conceded a U.S. diplomatic victory.
With Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon, Harding cut Wilson's wartime income tax rates, which had gone as high as 63 percent, to 25 percent, ended the stagflation of the Wilson presidency and set off the greatest boom of the century, the Roaring Twenties. When Harding took his oath, unemployment was at 12 percent. When he died, 29 months later, it was at 3 percent. This is a failure?
If it is because of Harding's White House dalliance with Nan Britton, why does not JFK's White House dalliance with Judith Exner make him a failure? And if Teapot Dome, which broke after Harding's death – and in which he was not involved – makes him a failure, why does not the Monica Lewinsky scandal that led to his impeachment make Clinton a failure? Of the seven Democratic presidents in the 20th century, only Truman and Carter did not have lady friends in the White House.
Harding's vice president, Calvin Coolidge, succeeded him, won one of the great landslides in U.S. history and was, as Jude Wanniski writes, an inspiration for Ronald Reagan, who considered Silent Cal a role model and put his portrait up in the Cabinet Room as a mark of respect.
Harding, Coolidge, Eisenhower and Reagan were men who kept us out of war and presided over times of peace, security and often of soaring prosperity. Yet, the 20th century presidents who took us into war and who lost the fruits of war – Wilson, FDR, Truman – are "great" or "near great." These ratings tell us less about presidents than they do about historians, scholars and journalists.
June 17, 2004
Patrick J. Buchanan was twice a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination and the Reform Party’s candidate in 2000. He is also a founder and editor of the new magazine, The American Conservative. Now a commentator and columnist, he served three presidents in the White House, was a founding panelist of three national television shows, and is the author of seven books.
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good read. thanks for posting.
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As for Truman, he dropped two atom bombs on defenseless cities (and) fired Gen. MacArthur for demanding victory in Korea
I have always been under the impression that MacArthur was fired for insisting on nuking China, so I don't see how you could also criticize Truman for dropping "two atom bombs on defenseless cities."
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black dahlia wrote:
As for Truman, he dropped two atom bombs on defenseless cities (and) fired Gen. MacArthur for demanding victory in Korea
I have always been under the impression that MacArthur was fired for insisting on nuking China, so I don't see how you could also criticize Truman for dropping "two atom bombs on defenseless cities."
i see how -- if you're the kind of person who also criticizes macarthur.
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black dahlia wrote:
But Lincoln is great only if one believes that preventing South Carolina, Georgia and the Gulf states from peacefully seceding justified the suspension of the Constitution, a dictatorship, 600,000 dead and a resort to a total war that ravaged the South for generations.
In general, this statement is more than just a little bit of a half-truth, no? And the bolded part is laughable.
Still a very well-written piece, and I enjoyed the read. His points about the "ungreat" presidents of the 20th century are very good.
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well he could have let them peacefully secede. but he didn't. in reality, lincoln completely ignored the constitution. you could argue he was the worst president ever. it's all how you see it.
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I generally liked that, although I think he's being overly harsh toward Lincoln in that he ignores the fact that in allowing those states to seceed, he would have been allowing American citizens to be enslaved in what would essentially be a foreign country.
That may not have been his thinking at the time, but that's how it played out.
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well he could have let them peacefully secede. but he didn't. in reality, lincoln completely ignored the constitution. you could argue he was the worst president ever. it's all how you see it.
where does it say in the constitution that the states can secede? there's no opt out clause. lincoln was protecting the constitution by keeping it from turning into a meaningless document, which is what would've happened if states decided to do willy-nilly do whatever they wanted. sure, lincoln abused parts of the constitution, like in the case of suspending habeus corpus, but was violating small parts of it necessary in order to save the greater whole of it?
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No greatness given to Jefferson?
He owned slaves, which automatically makes him a morally objectionable human being and, therefore, bad president.
Could this not be said about other presidents? I'm taking for granted that you're being sarcastic, but if not, well...?
Yeah, I was being sarcastic, and was actually referring to a post by someone who used owning slaves to undermine Jefferson's viewpoint on the importance of federalism. Jefferson is one of my favorite presidents as far as ideology is concerned.
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Im a big, big fan of the Founding Fathers. The USA are a fuckin lucky country for having them. What I find incredible is how they all had disagreements on many points, but still shared the same objective that was pioneer and incredibly complex in the world.
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I can't believe the praise for this ridiculous article. Who cares if its "well written" if its just well written crap? He manipulates facts, leaves out important parts of the stories that he references, thereby misrepresenting the truth.
It's very easy to bring up the faults of ANY and EVERY president, or person for that matter, and exaggerate those while ignoring what they did accomplish.
Warren G. Harding a great president???? or even good for that matter? Give me a break! Anybody think its funny that he trashes FDR, JFK, Truman and Wilson, whilst singing the praises of Harding (considered one of the very worst presidents ever), Coolidge (whose only contribution that he found noteworthy was apparently "being an inspiration for Reagen"), Eisenhower (great war hero, but mostly a mediocre, do-nothing, hands off president), and of course, the messiah of the Republican party, Mr. Reagen.
That was a pathetic article. If you guys want to read some actual history and legitimate political commentaries, don't look to this guy for it...
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I can't believe the praise for this ridiculous article. Who cares if its "well written" if its just well written crap? He manipulates facts, leaves out important parts of the stories that he references, thereby misrepresenting the truth.
It's very easy to bring up the faults of ANY and EVERY president, or person for that matter, and exaggerate those while ignoring what they did accomplish.
Warren G. Harding a great president???? or even good for that matter? Give me a break! Anybody think its funny that he trashes FDR, JFK, Truman and Wilson, whilst singing the praises of Harding (considered one of the very worst presidents ever), Coolidge (whose only contribution that he found noteworthy was apparently "being an inspiration for Reagen"), Eisenhower (great war hero, but mostly a mediocre, do-nothing, hands off president), and of course, the messiah of the Republican party, Mr. Reagen.
That was a pathetic article. If you guys want to read some actual history and legitimate political commentaries, don't look to this guy for it...
FDR sucked.
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Maybe. Personally, I don't totally agree with that, but if pressed I could make a pretty rousing argument to that affect. Actually, one of the ideas I've been tossing around for my Master's thesis includes a pretty sharp indictment of FDR. But that is neither here nor there.
I am criticizing the article, not particularly trying to raise one party over the other, as the author of the article was. To write such an overtly partisan HISTORICAL article is just laughable. He criticizes historians and scholars, who he apparently believes have taken a party line stance when it comes to historical reviews of presidents, which is a mostly absurd and false assertion. Yet, his article is nothing more than praising one party while trashing the other. I guess that works for contemporary political conversations, but for an historical analysis, that doesn't fly.
Does this guy want the truth? The fact is that there have been good, great, and down right awful presidents from both parties. As well as overrated, underrated, overhyped and underappreciated.
Do you really buy this article as a legitimate analysis of how presidential legacy? Because perhaps he should look again, and he'd see that Reps. are not under-represented in the list of top presidents; neither are Dems. under-represented in the list of worst presidents.
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Clavin Coolidge great?
He didn't do anything, the reason he was able to keep us out of war is becuase every other major industrialized country was still recovering from one of the biggest wars ever.
Wilson i would argue was great, and if not for some ass senator from Mass. and a stroke he would have got the US involved in the LN.
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