Post subject: Pledge to Stop Junk-Food Marketing to Kids
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:18 pm
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Thoughts? When will the other shoe drop? What will it look like? How long before these companies try to claim this move as proof that they really care about kids' health and not proof that they were worried about getting hit with legal requirements to cut this advertising?
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Some junk-food ads cut from kids' diets By Alana Semuels, Times Staff Writer July 19, 2007
Eleven of the nation's biggest food and beverage companies are junking ads for junk food on kids' TV shows.
Products include candy bars, soda pop and sugar-laden cereals, including such brands as Trix — famously advertised for decades as being "for kids."
The voluntary pledge was announced at a Federal Trade Commission forum Wednesday morning in Washington. Companies aim to placate legislators who may crack down on food marketing amid rampant childhood obesity.
But critics say that the self-regulated pledges don't go far enough, and that advertising guidelines without an industrywide standard or method of enforcement won't do much good.
"We shouldn't be counting on the food industry to safeguard public health," said Susan Linn, a Harvard professor and co-founder of the Campaign for a Commercial-Free Childhood. "Corporations are bound by law to increase shareholder profits, not to promote the well-being of children."
The pledges, from companies such as Coca-Cola Co. and Hershey Co., vary widely but largely restrict advertising on programming or media targeted at kids younger than 12.
That's a sore point for critics, who say that kids don't watch only cartoons and Nickelodeon shows. According to Nielsen data, for instance, Fox's "American Idol" attracted 2.4 million viewers ages 2 to 11 years old in May. Coca-Cola is a sponsor of "American Idol," and its messages appear frequently throughout the program.
The other companies involved are Cadbury Adams USA, Campbell Soup Co., General Mills Inc., Kellogg Co., Kraft Foods Inc., Mars Inc., McDonald's USA, PepsiCo Inc. and Unilever.
The pledges all loosely follow U.S. Department of Agriculture dietary guidelines, but to varying degrees. General Mills, for instance, will stop marketing to kids anything with more than 12 grams of sugar and 175 calories per serving. But sugary cereals such as Lucky Charms and Cocoa Puffs still pass the test. And Kellogg's policy, which was introduced this year in response to threatened litigation, still allows Frosted Flakes cereal and Fruit Twistables snacks to be marketed to kids, said Margot Wootan, director of nutrition policy at the Center for Science in the Public Interest.
"This gets rid of marketing of the very worst junk food," she said, "but it doesn't mean that only truly healthy foods are going to be marketed to kids."
The pledges are a good first step, Wootan said, but it is important for entertainment companies such as Nickelodeon Networks and the Cartoon Network that sell ads during children's programming to get involved.
In a statement, Nickelodeon called the moves "very important and positive steps forward in setting new nutritional guidelines and marketing standards."
Cartoon Network said, "We are encouraged these 11 companies are taking additional steps to provide kids with a healthier line of food options."
Other changes the companies will make include limiting the use of licensed characters to sell food to kids and introducing ads that use brands to promote more healthful lifestyle choices.
The move comes amid an increased threat of legislation to limit junk-food marketing aimed at children. In 2004, the Institute of Medicine published a report emphasizing the influence of food marketing on kids, which galvanized legislators into action. A task force on media and childhood obesity led by Sens. Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) is working on a report on media and childhood obesity.
If the task force determines that these pledges do not go far enough, legislation may follow, said Gary Knell, the task force's volunteer chairman and the chief executive of Sesame Workshop, an educational organization.
But the companies say they can do it on their own, with some help from the Council of Better Business Bureaus, which will monitor the pledges. Participating companies have signed a contract and agreed to provide information showing how they've complied with the pledge, said C. Lee Peeler, executive vice president of the council.
"We're very committed to the concept of self-regulation," said John Faulkner, a spokesman for Campbell Soup. "All of our advertising is reviewed by our CEO, and we look very seriously at what the message is."
Campbell has pledged to reduce sodium in its kids' soups 25% and to market only "better-for-you" foods during programming targeted at children younger than 12.
Many of the companies, however, say that it is a parent's role to limit a child's intake of unhealthful foods, and that restricting advertising can only go so far.
"All of our products are wholesome and suitable for consumers of all ages," said Diana Garza, a spokeswoman for Coca-Cola. "It's a question of balance."
Garza said that Coke did not want to overstep its bounds and interfere in parents' role in making decisions about their children's health.
Los Angeles mother Susan Sanford, whose 11- and 14-year-old kids have sometimes nagged her for products such as Cinnamon Toast Crunch, Yogos or Dibs, agrees. Sanford said that it's her role to decide which products they can and can't have.
She worries that pulling ad dollars from children's programming could affect the quality of the shows and wonders whether the pledge is useless anyway, since her kids see junk food ads nearly everywhere else.
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Post subject: Re: Pledge to Stop Junk-Food Marketing to Kids
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:20 pm
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The pledges all loosely follow U.S. Department of Agriculture dietary guidelines, but to varying degrees. General Mills, for instance, will stop marketing to kids anything with more than 12 grams of sugar and 175 calories per serving. But sugary cereals such as Lucky Charms and Cocoa Puffs still pass the test. And Kellogg's policy, which was introduced this year in response to threatened litigation, still allows Frosted Flakes cereal and Fruit Twistables snacks to be marketed to kids, said Margot Wootan, director of nutrition policy at the Center for Science in the Public Interest.
Why not drop the serving size? Make a serving two tablespoons, then you can keep marketing it to kids!!!
I should have made that post in the "Oh the things I know" thread.
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Post subject: Re: Pledge to Stop Junk-Food Marketing to Kids
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:23 pm
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"We shouldn't be counting on the food industry to safeguard public health," said Susan Linn, a Harvard professor and co-founder of the Campaign for a Commercial-Free Childhood. "Corporations are bound by law to increase shareholder profits, not to promote the well-being of children."
She's right, but I'm not sure what she's advocating. Clearly parents should be teaching their kids to eat healthy, but of course their parents are probably also lazy gluttons.
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Post subject: Re: Pledge to Stop Junk-Food Marketing to Kids
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:24 pm
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B wrote:
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The pledges all loosely follow U.S. Department of Agriculture dietary guidelines, but to varying degrees. General Mills, for instance, will stop marketing to kids anything with more than 12 grams of sugar and 175 calories per serving. But sugary cereals such as Lucky Charms and Cocoa Puffs still pass the test. And Kellogg's policy, which was introduced this year in response to threatened litigation, still allows Frosted Flakes cereal and Fruit Twistables snacks to be marketed to kids, said Margot Wootan, director of nutrition policy at the Center for Science in the Public Interest.
Why not drop the serving size? Make a serving two tablespoons, then you can keep marketing it to kids!!!
I should have made that post in the "Oh the things I know" thread.
They'll just eat more servings. I've never followed a "serving size" in my life, I've never dieted, and I was always thin.
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Post subject: Re: Pledge to Stop Junk-Food Marketing to Kids
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:13 pm
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I don't understand how these companies are in the wrong unless of course marketing deprives one of self control, in which case adverts should be banned alltogether.
Post subject: Re: Pledge to Stop Junk-Food Marketing to Kids
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:17 pm
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simple schoolboy wrote:
I don't understand how these companies are in the wrong unless of course marketing deprives one of self control, in which case adverts should be banned alltogether.
I think a psychologist could make a good argument that marketing DOES deprive one of self control, if one is under 12.
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Post subject: Re: Pledge to Stop Junk-Food Marketing to Kids
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:18 pm
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B wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
I don't understand how these companies are in the wrong unless of course marketing deprives one of self control, in which case adverts should be banned alltogether.
I think a psychologist could make a good argument that marketing DOES deprive one of self control, if one is under 12.
If one in under 12, one is probably not responsible for one's food purchases, and therefore this falls squarely into the lap of the parents.
Post subject: Re: Pledge to Stop Junk-Food Marketing to Kids
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:19 pm
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B wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
I don't understand how these companies are in the wrong unless of course marketing deprives one of self control, in which case adverts should be banned alltogether.
I think a psychologist could make a good argument that marketing DOES deprive one of self control, if one is under 12.
Please, show some compassion for the poor defensely gluttons!
Seriously, though, if you're under 12, you typically don't have the type of funds to consistently make junk food purchases without any help from your parents.
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Post subject: Re: Pledge to Stop Junk-Food Marketing to Kids
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:52 pm
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simple schoolboy wrote:
B wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
I don't understand how these companies are in the wrong unless of course marketing deprives one of self control, in which case adverts should be banned alltogether.
I think a psychologist could make a good argument that marketing DOES deprive one of self control, if one is under 12.
If one in under 12, one is probably not responsible for one's food purchases, and therefore this falls squarely into the lap of the parents.
Assuming you give your kid NO money to spend on their own whatsoever, which is unlikely. You'd still have to deal with the onslaught of a child determined to eat shit. I'm guessing that would lead to increased domestic violence, which is a public health concern.
But then ... none of this is about regulation. It's about morality, isn't it?
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Post subject: Re: Pledge to Stop Junk-Food Marketing to Kids
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:19 pm
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B wrote:
Assuming you give your kid NO money to spend on their own whatsoever, which is unlikely. You'd still have to deal with the onslaught of a child determined to eat shit. I'm guessing that would lead to increased domestic violence, which is a public health concern.
But then ... none of this is about regulation. It's about morality, isn't it?
Telling your kids no junkfood leads to domestic violence? That's quite a stretch there B...
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Post subject: Re: Pledge to Stop Junk-Food Marketing to Kids
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:32 pm
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meatwad wrote:
B wrote:
Assuming you give your kid NO money to spend on their own whatsoever, which is unlikely. You'd still have to deal with the onslaught of a child determined to eat shit. I'm guessing that would lead to increased domestic violence, which is a public health concern.
But then ... none of this is about regulation. It's about morality, isn't it?
Telling your kids no junkfood leads to domestic violence? That's quite a stretch there B...
No, your kids not shutting up leads to domestic violence.
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Post subject: Re: Pledge to Stop Junk-Food Marketing to Kids
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:35 pm
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B wrote:
meatwad wrote:
B wrote:
Assuming you give your kid NO money to spend on their own whatsoever, which is unlikely. You'd still have to deal with the onslaught of a child determined to eat shit. I'm guessing that would lead to increased domestic violence, which is a public health concern.
But then ... none of this is about regulation. It's about morality, isn't it?
Telling your kids no junkfood leads to domestic violence? That's quite a stretch there B...
No, your kids not shutting up leads to domestic violence.
Is locking them in a room until they shut up considered domestic violence?
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Post subject: Re: Pledge to Stop Junk-Food Marketing to Kids
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:40 pm
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$úñ_DëV|L wrote:
B wrote:
meatwad wrote:
B wrote:
Assuming you give your kid NO money to spend on their own whatsoever, which is unlikely. You'd still have to deal with the onslaught of a child determined to eat shit. I'm guessing that would lead to increased domestic violence, which is a public health concern.
But then ... none of this is about regulation. It's about morality, isn't it?
Telling your kids no junkfood leads to domestic violence? That's quite a stretch there B...
No, your kids not shutting up leads to domestic violence.
Is locking them in a room until they shut up considered domestic violence?
If you think you can ignore a kid screaming from their bedroom, you definitely have no kids.
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Post subject: Re: Pledge to Stop Junk-Food Marketing to Kids
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:49 pm
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I'm derailing my own thread with bad jokes.
Seriously, did no one have a problem when these companies targeted multi-million dollar marketing campaigns at kids with a proven inability to make intelligent decisions? No one finds it unethical to attack parents through their kids?
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Post subject: Re: Pledge to Stop Junk-Food Marketing to Kids
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:07 pm
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B wrote:
I'm derailing my own thread with bad jokes.
Seriously, did no one have a problem when these companies targeted multi-million dollar marketing campaigns at kids with a proven inability to make intelligent decisions? No one finds it unethical to attack parents through their kids?
I'm not going to say it's ethical by any means, but at the end of the day it IS up to the parents to teach their kids about nutrition and if that's done right, you shouldn't end up with a kid who screams and carries on when they don't get their daily dose of high fructose corn syrup. And anyone who resorts to violence when their kid throws a tantrum shouldn't be having kids in the first place.
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Post subject: Re: Pledge to Stop Junk-Food Marketing to Kids
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:24 pm
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B wrote:
I'm derailing my own thread with bad jokes.
Seriously, did no one have a problem when these companies targeted multi-million dollar marketing campaigns at kids with a proven inability to make intelligent decisions? No one finds it unethical to attack parents through their kids?
While I'm glad the advertising will be curbed I didn't really have a problem with it anyways. I'm comfortable with my role as a parent, and that's parent and not friend. The two most important things as a parent you can tell you kid(s) are; "I love you" and "NO". For about 99% of the kids in the world they develop the taste buds and eating habits their parents program into them as babies. Feed them well from the get go and half the battle is already won. Be a good roll model for eating healthy is another big step in winning the battle. I know some people will act that this is a great thing for kids, in my books it just goes to show how badly families have fallen apart in general when we rely on government legislation to do what has always been the parents job.
Post subject: Re: Pledge to Stop Junk-Food Marketing to Kids
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:04 pm
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meatwad wrote:
B wrote:
I'm derailing my own thread with bad jokes.
Seriously, did no one have a problem when these companies targeted multi-million dollar marketing campaigns at kids with a proven inability to make intelligent decisions? No one finds it unethical to attack parents through their kids?
I'm not going to say it's ethical by any means, but at the end of the day it IS up to the parents to teach their kids about nutrition and if that's done right, you shouldn't end up with a kid who screams and carries on when they don't get their daily dose of high fructose corn syrup. And anyone who resorts to violence when their kid throws a tantrum shouldn't be having kids in the first place.
Right. When I was growing up, the most prominent ads I can remember were for those sugary breakfast cereals, but my parents didn't always buy them. Yeah, every now and then we got cocoa krispies or something to that effect, but we understood that we couldn't always eat junk food. And I loved junk food, too.
And I'm pretty sure kids screaming nonstop to get their way is a learned behavior. If they know crying isn't going to get them anywhere but grounded, they're eventually going to stop screaming. Many parents do not understand this.
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Post subject: Re: Pledge to Stop Junk-Food Marketing to Kids
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:15 pm
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Parents just need to educate and communicate with their kids about diet and health. You'd be a moron if you think leaving it up to the food industry or government would be any good. Or I suppose, you'd just be getting what you probably deserve.
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