Post subject: SOTM #99: Breaking news and building walls...
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:07 pm
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Ghost
The mind is grey,... like the city Packing in and overgrown Love is deep,... dig it out Standing in a hole alone Working for something,.. that one can never hold A place in the clouds. Your place to hide oh my oh
I'm flying away, away I'm driving away, away Seeking new ways, before I miss it all
The TV, she talks to me Breaking news and building walls Selling us, what I dont need I never knew soap made you taller
So I'm riding away, away Hiding away, away So much talk it makes no sense at all My senses gone ‚awol, awol, awol, awol, awol
So I'm hiding away, away driving away Passing old friends I don't know at all (Know at all)
It doesn't hurt,.. when I bleed But memories they eat me I've seen it all before,.. Bring it on cause I'm no victim
_________________ "Better the occasional faults of a Government that lives in a spirit of charity than the consistent omissions of a Government frozen in the ice of its own indifference."--FDR
Post subject: Re: SOTM #99: Breaking news and building walls...
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:08 pm
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I LOVED ghost when Riot Act first came out. In fact it was probably my second favorite song on the album. I still like it a lot, but I think it is limited by the fact that it was on Riot Act.
Riot Act is a WEARY record, really the only one like that in the Pearl jam catalgoue. The space that almost every song is coming out of is defined by exhaustion---possibly personal stuff (Roskilde or personal stuff in people’s lives) and certainly from what seemed like a bleak and hopeless political situation. The cover art certainly gives a sense of powerlessness, and the two most hopeful songs were left off the record. Even there the hope sounds a bit rote. The music is up but you get a sense in the delivery of the lyrics that Eddie doesn’t quite believe what he is singing. He KNOWS it is true but he doesn’t believe it. And you get a fairly similar vibe in the rest of the record. Thumbing My Way is relentlessely bleak, All or None has the singer surrendering (fighting anyway, but with no expectation of victory), ½ Full has him hoping for someone to come save the world but not expecting that person to arrive (earlier records would call for us to save it ourselves)---even Love Boat Captain has a passive feel to it—the lines that are supposed to soar are unable to lift off, and despite the fact that Save You is supposed to be a ferocious song we only get real passion at the end.
Perhaps this is the only record they could have made at the time, or perhaps it was an artistic choice. Regardless Riot Act is a down record (not encessarily a dark one), and Ghost is a down, weary song. It’s got a good, crunchy main riff, and Mike has some great solos on it, the rythem drives the song hard, and it is overall a very solid and satisfying little number—but the music still has this sense of suffocation about it. It is heavy in the sense that you feel something is pulling it down, and that it has lost the strength to continue. And this is exacerbated ten-fold by Eddie’s performance, which lacks none of the fire this song would have had if it were on S/T or even Binaural (compare to Life Wasted or Breakerfall)
Some of that is deliberate. This is a song about fading away and disappearing into the murk (of the city or his mind)—and the background vocals add nicely to this (giving the chorus a vaguely haunted quality). He works to rise above it (there is never total surrender even in the darkest pearl jam songs) but he is by himself and doesn’t feel like there are any options for him other than running and hiding (a justifable feeling at the height of Bush’s power). But there is no defiance here—just a stubborn, Camus like combination of resiliance and resignation. The second to last lyric “bring it on cause I’m no victim” should have been a challenging snarl instead of a line with no bite to it. He means it, but he doesn’t really BELIEVE it anymore
And again, some of this is a choice. It is the artistic and personal space riot act was written in, and if Ghost had the energy of Life Wasted it would not fit on this record. BUT, it is a choice that makes the song harder to love, even if it makes it more interesting. And that’s the problem I have with ghost and so much of Riot Act. The songs are faithful to the theme and feel of the record, and for the most part work as pieces of art, but they are pieces of art that are very difficult to enjoy. Ghost wallows in its desire to disappear, its fantasy of no longer having to fight, and I don’t listen to Pearl jam to wallow. I listen to fight
3 stars
oh yeah, and while I think the lyrics are pretty decent overall there are a few dud lines here (the awol lyric and of course the soap line—the intetion is clear from the preceding lyric (we don’t get the information we need to make meaningful choices and form meaningful connections and so we lack the materials we need to stay and fight) but this was a BAD choice
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Post subject: Re: SOTM #99: Breaking news and building walls...
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:08 pm
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Good write up Stip..to quote a part of it which practically sums up the whole song (and most of Riot Act actually): "He means it, but he doesn’t really BELIEVE it anymore"
To me Ghost is the perfect example of an average 3 stars kind of song. I don't mind if it comes on, but i never feel the need to listen, and it never really moves me at all.
Post subject: Re: SOTM #99: Breaking news and building walls...
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:38 pm
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The music's not bad but Ed's vocals kill this one. There's a couple of RA tracks where it sounds like mailed it in and this is one of those. I can understand that happening on stage after weeks on the road but when recording a new record? Lyrics are nothing special. I got Ghost and Cropduster confused the first the first few I listened to them. I still think Ghost is weaker than Cropduster, which is just so-so but a better filler. Ghost is a B-side quality song that made the record. **
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Post subject: Re: SOTM #99: Breaking news and building walls...
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:48 pm
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love this song, and love the soap line.
and off topic, but you mentioned it first so i thought i'd add: i would say that while all or none is a song about surrender, it's more about a realization than the surrender itself. realizing how/who you are and being at peace with it... that's what i think a lot of the album is about.
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Post subject: Re: SOTM #99: Breaking news and building walls...
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:33 pm
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This song is utterly unhummable. I haven't listened to this song in a couple years, and for the life of me, I can't remember the music enough to hum it to myself, even with the lyric in front of me. I seem to remember that it has a strange time signature, and it kind of reminds me of a bad Sondheim musical, where the lyrics are sung over music that just seems to go up and down randomly and without melody or discernable tempo.
Anyway, I dropped a duece on this one. PJ's most forgettable song.
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Post subject: Re: SOTM #99: Breaking news and building walls...
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:04 pm
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I gave it two stars and it maybe even deserved a one star. There's not much redeeming about the song except that no one's off key. And that's not saying much.
The four star rating floors me!!!! But to each their own.
Post subject: Re: SOTM #99: Breaking news and building walls...
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:15 pm
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average song; 3 stars
about the soap line, when Riot Act came out i didn't live in the US yet, but my wife was telling me that around 01/02 there was one of those late night commercials that claimed they had invented a soap that could make you taller. I guess if you haven't seen that commercial it doesn't make much sense, but once i found out what it's likely to be referring it kinda changes perspective.
Post subject: Re: SOTM #99: Breaking news and building walls...
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:14 am
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For point of reference, here's a list of all the songs that haven't been a SOTM yet (for Stip/those interested in doing write ups):
Deep Dissident Not For You Pry, To Aye Davanita Sometimes Mankind Pilate Red Dot/The Colour Red Breakerfall Evacuation Thin Air Soon Forget Green Disease Help Help Bushleaguer 1/2 Full Severed Hand Marker In The Sand Parachutes Unemployable Wasted Reprise Army Reserve Hitchhiker Don't Gimme No Lip In The Moonlight Education U Leaving Here Gremmie Out Of Control Whale Song Yellow Ledbetter Fatal Footsteps Wash Dead Man Walking Last Kiss Sweet Lew Brother Bee Girl Out Of My Mind Last Soldier Happy When I'm Dying Sunburn Anything In Between Just A Girl Goat Ramblings? Man Of The Hour
Reads like a greatest hits list eh? I'm not sure how deep into the barrel we'll end up going, so i'm not sure about the inclusion of Ramblings etc...but that's a rough list. Sorry if any of those HAVE been done, or if i've missed any obvious ones off.
Post subject: Re: SOTM #99: Breaking news and building walls...
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:31 am
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thanks--I've got a list on my computer but it is helpful to have one up here
We're running out of songs until we really start going into covers/demos/deep territory--so if there are any of these you want to do the post for just pm me and it is yours
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Post subject: Re: SOTM #99: Breaking news and building walls...
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:44 am
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conoalias wrote:
average song; 3 stars
about the soap line, when Riot Act came out i didn't live in the US yet, but my wife was telling me that around 01/02 there was one of those late night commercials that claimed they had invented a soap that could make you taller. I guess if you haven't seen that commercial it doesn't make much sense, but once i found out what it's likely to be referring it kinda changes perspective.
i've never seen the commercial, i figured it was actually an exaggeration/parody of the claims made about some products, but that's interesting.
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Post subject: Re: SOTM #99: Breaking news and building walls...
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 5:01 am
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could this be the first SOTM to not have 1 5 star vote?
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Post subject: Re: SOTM #99: Breaking news and building walls...
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 6:42 am
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stip wrote:
thanks--I've got a list on my computer but it is helpful to have one up here
We're running out of songs until we really start going into covers/demos/deep territory--so if there are any of these you want to do the post for just pm me and it is yours
Running out? Looks like you've got at least 30 songs left in that list.
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