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http://www.philly.com/dailynews/columni ... _9_11.html

Stu Bykofsky | To save America, we need another 9/11

ONE MONTH from The Anniversary, I'm thinking another 9/11 would help America.

What kind of a sick bastard would write such a thing?

A bastard so sick of how splintered we are politically - thanks mainly to our ineptitude in Iraq - that we have forgotten who the enemy is.

It is not Bush and it is not Hillary and it is not Daily Kos or Bill O'Reilly or Giuliani or Barack. It is global terrorists who use Islam to justify their hideous sins, including blowing up women and children.

Iraq has fractured the U.S. into jigsaw pieces of competing interests that encourage our enemies. We are deeply divided and division is weakness.

Most Americans today believe Iraq was a mistake. Why?

Not because Americans are "anti-war."

Americans have turned their backs because the war has dragged on too long and we don't have the patience for a long slog. We've been in Iraq for four years, but to some it seems like a century. In contrast, Britain just pulled its soldiers out of Northern Ireland where they had been, often being shot at, almost 40 years.

That's not the American way.

In Iraq, we don't believe our military is being beaten on the battleground. It's more that there is no formal "battleground." There is the drip of daily casualties and victory is not around the corner. Americans are impatient. We like fast food and fast war.

Americans loved the 1991 Gulf War. It raged for just 100 hours when George H.W. Bush ended it with a declaration of victory. He sent a half-million troops into harm's way and we suffered fewer than 300 deaths.

America likes wars shorter than the World Series.




Bush I did everything right, Bush II did everything wrong - but he did it with the backing of Congress.

Because the war has been a botch so far, Democrats and Republicans are attacking one another, when they aren't attacking themselves. The dialog of discord echoes across America.

Turn back to 9/11.

Remember the community of outrage and national resolve? America had not been so united since the first Day of Infamy - 12/7/41.

We knew who the enemy was then.

We knew who the enemy was shortly after 9/11.

Because we have mislaid 9/11, we have endless sideshow squabbles about whether the surge is working, if we are "safer" now, whether the FBI should listen in on foreign phone calls, whether cops should detain odd-acting "flying imams," whether those plotting alleged attacks on Fort Dix or Kennedy airport are serious threats or amateur bumblers. We bicker over the trees while the forest is ablaze.

America's fabric is pulling apart like a cheap sweater.

What would sew us back together?

Another 9/11 attack.

The Golden Gate Bridge. Mount Rushmore. Chicago's Wrigley Field. The Philadelphia subway system. The U.S. is a target-rich environment for al Qaeda.

Is there any doubt they are planning to hit us again?

If it is to be, then let it be. It will take another attack on the homeland to quell the chattering of chipmunks and to restore America's righteous rage and singular purpose to prevail.

The unity brought by such an attack sadly won't last forever.

The first 9/11 proved that. *

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So basically we need thousands of innocents to die so that our country can go back to supporting thousands of innocents dying in Iraq. This could be one of the most unsensitive and just plain stupid things I have ever read.

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Yeah, this guy is actually serious...



http://www.philly.com/dailynews/columni ... _9_11.html

Stu Bykofsky | To save America, we need another 9/11

ONE MONTH from The Anniversary, I'm thinking another 9/11 would help America.

What kind of a sick bastard would write such a thing?

A bastard so sick of how splintered we are politically - thanks mainly to our ineptitude in Iraq - that we have forgotten who the enemy is.

It is not Bush and it is not Hillary and it is not Daily Kos or Bill O'Reilly or Giuliani or Barack. It is global terrorists who use Islam to justify their hideous sins, including blowing up women and children.

Iraq has fractured the U.S. into jigsaw pieces of competing interests that encourage our enemies. We are deeply divided and division is weakness.

Most Americans today believe Iraq was a mistake. Why?

Not because Americans are "anti-war."

Americans have turned their backs because the war has dragged on too long and we don't have the patience for a long slog. We've been in Iraq for four years, but to some it seems like a century. In contrast, Britain just pulled its soldiers out of Northern Ireland where they had been, often being shot at, almost 40 years.

That's not the American way.

In Iraq, we don't believe our military is being beaten on the battleground. It's more that there is no formal "battleground." There is the drip of daily casualties and victory is not around the corner. Americans are impatient. We like fast food and fast war.

Americans loved the 1991 Gulf War. It raged for just 100 hours when George H.W. Bush ended it with a declaration of victory. He sent a half-million troops into harm's way and we suffered fewer than 300 deaths.

America likes wars shorter than the World Series.




Bush I did everything right, Bush II did everything wrong - but he did it with the backing of Congress.

Because the war has been a botch so far, Democrats and Republicans are attacking one another, when they aren't attacking themselves. The dialog of discord echoes across America.

Turn back to 9/11.

Remember the community of outrage and national resolve? America had not been so united since the first Day of Infamy - 12/7/41.

We knew who the enemy was then.

We knew who the enemy was shortly after 9/11.

Because we have mislaid 9/11, we have endless sideshow squabbles about whether the surge is working, if we are "safer" now, whether the FBI should listen in on foreign phone calls, whether cops should detain odd-acting "flying imams," whether those plotting alleged attacks on Fort Dix or Kennedy airport are serious threats or amateur bumblers. We bicker over the trees while the forest is ablaze.

America's fabric is pulling apart like a cheap sweater.

What would sew us back together?

Another 9/11 attack.

The Golden Gate Bridge. Mount Rushmore. Chicago's Wrigley Field. The Philadelphia subway system. The U.S. is a target-rich environment for al Qaeda.

Is there any doubt they are planning to hit us again?

If it is to be, then let it be. It will take another attack on the homeland to quell the chattering of chipmunks and to restore America's righteous rage and singular purpose to prevail.

The unity brought by such an attack sadly won't last forever.

The first 9/11 proved that. *


wow. That's some fucked up shit right there.

I seriously doubt 'another 911' would help the USA out any. And putting forth such an idea, even in a 'philosophical argument' kind of way, is about the most un-American thing I've read.

Think about it. This writer is wistful about the good ole days back when 3000 some odd people who never did anything to be murdered in such a way, were murdered in just such a way, and because of it, the rest of the country woke up for a few months out of its self-induced ignorance to remember that we have more in common as a country than not.

Hell, while we're at it, let's bring back slavery! Let's bring back the Depression! Let's bring back every horrid piece of American history that we came out from under and made something positive from in order to try to recapture that spirit of being American with a capital A, that the world used to know and love about us, because, hey! we're not capable of rising above our warped misconceptions about the country without those blights on our society...

Fucking sad, that's what this article is, fucking sad.

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 Post subject: Re: We need another 9/11!!!
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I actually stopped reading when we tried to compare Northern Ireland to Iraq. Amazes me that people think that way.

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Not only that, but his goal wouldn't work. Just like Sept. 11th, there's be a few months of harmony then there'd be bickering over what hte next step woudl be.


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For the sake of argument, I'd agree with the article that 9/11 did temporarily remove the destructive force of identity politics from the US for a couple of weeks. We went from 'hyphenated Americans' to just 'Americans'. For a short period of time, we realized what the world has become and that we can't just turn on E! and ignore it anymore, no matter how much we love The Soup. I think we do need another historical event to unite us, but another major terrorist attack? That's just dumb. How about a Manhatten Project for alternate energy sources?

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Bykofsky has been a very good writer for years here. His articles are usually very tongue-in-cheek so I wouldn't take is so literal. That said I didn't really get his point and didn't like the article.

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jimmac24 wrote:
Bykofsky has been a very good writer for years here. His articles are usually very tongue-in-cheek so I wouldn't take is so literal. That said I didn't really get his point and didn't like the article.


I have to imagine this was tongue-in-cheek. I figured out the point of article from the beginning (wouldn't it be great if we could go back and do things right), but certainly no one would certainly wish this kind of tragedy on America just to fix our post-9/11 mistakes.

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Basically, he advocates the death of thousands of innocent Americans so that a failed partisan policy can regain political support out of fear.

Why does he hate America? :cry:

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punkdavid wrote:
Basically, he advocates the death of thousands of innocent Americans so that a failed partisan policy can regain political support out of fear.

Why does he hate America? :cry:
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I actually stopped reading when we tried to compare Northern Ireland to Iraq. Amazes me that people think that way.


Heh. *shakes head*

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punkdavid wrote:
Basically, he advocates the death of thousands of innocent Americans
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I'm not agreeing with him at all, but I'm just going to say something and I think you'll understand what I mean without me having to explain it.

U.S. Military Deaths in Iraq since March 2003:


3683


http://www.icasualties.org/oif/

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sportsfreakpete6 wrote:
BadRadio16 wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
Basically, he advocates the death of thousands of innocent Americans
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I'm not agreeing with him at all, but I'm just going to say something and I think you'll understand what I mean without me having to explain it.

U.S. Military Deaths in Iraq since March 2003:


3683


http://www.icasualties.org/oif/

Objective facts, in and of themselves, carry no "meaning".

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punkdavid wrote:
sportsfreakpete6 wrote:
BadRadio16 wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
Basically, he advocates the death of thousands of innocent Americans
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I'm not agreeing with him at all, but I'm just going to say something and I think you'll understand what I mean without me having to explain it.

U.S. Military Deaths in Iraq since March 2003:


3683


http://www.icasualties.org/oif/

Objective facts, in and of themselves, carry no "meaning".


did they not teach you critical thinking in lawwer skoolz?

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sportsfreakpete6 wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
sportsfreakpete6 wrote:
BadRadio16 wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
Basically, he advocates the death of thousands of innocent Americans
word.


I'm not agreeing with him at all, but I'm just going to say something and I think you'll understand what I mean without me having to explain it.

U.S. Military Deaths in Iraq since March 2003:


3683


http://www.icasualties.org/oif/

Objective facts, in and of themselves, carry no "meaning".


did they not teach you critical thinking in lawwer skoolz?

You're not doing very well with this "splainin" stuff.

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NOT MOUNT RUSHMORE!! They'd kill dozens!

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NOT MOUNT RUSHMORE!! They'd kill dozens!

Of GROUND SQUIRRELS.

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