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So the dudes of CSI saved them?
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punkdavid wrote:
Not really new "evidence", is it? Just new political support.
The evidence in today's filing includes:
* DNA test results that fail to link Echols or the other defendants to the crime scene; in light of the prosecution claim that Echols sodomized the victims, the lack of his DNA at the crime scene is exculpatory itself.
* DNA test results showing that a hair found in the ligature of one of the victims matches Terry Hobbs, the step-father of another one of the victims.
* DNA test results showing foreign DNA - from someone other than Echols or the two other men who were convicted - on the penises of two of the victims.
* DNA test results matching a hair at the crime scene to a man who was with Terry Hobbs on the day of the crimes. This places Hobbs at the scene of the crime, since it refutes any theory that the Hobbs hair (found in the ligature of one of the victims) was there before the crime.
* Scientific analysis from some of the nation's leading forensics experts, stating that wounds on the victims' bodies were caused by animals at the crime scene - not by knives used by the perpetrators, as the prosecution claimed. These wounds were the centerpiece of the prosecution's case, and evidence was presented that a knife recovered from a lake near one defendant's home caused the wounds. The conclusive expert analysis showing that animals caused the wounds after the victims died also completely undercuts the testimony of a jailhouse informant (who testified about Echols using a knife to cause the wounds) and a discredited "expert" who testified that the knife wounds were part of a Satanic ritual.
* Sworn affidavits outlining new evidence uncovered by Pam Hobbs (the ex-wife of Terry Hobbs) who found a knife in Terry Hobbs' drawer that her son (one of the victims) had carried with him at all times. After her son was killed, the knife was not among his personal effects that police gave to the Hobbs families, and Pam Hobbs always assumed that her son's murderer had taken it during the crime.
* New information implicating Terry Hobbs - including his own
statements to police in recent interviews where he acknowledged that several of his relatives suspect him in the crime. The filing also includes a chronology of Hobbs' activities on the night of the crimes, when he washed his clothes for no reason other than to hide evidence from the crimes.
* A sworn affidavit that refutes hearsay evidence from Echols' trial. The mother of one of two girls who testified that they overheard Echols admit to the crime at a softball game now says that Echols' statement was not serious and that neither she nor her daughter believes he committed the crime.
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Man in Black wrote:
...but I thought Byers was the murderer? At least that's what all the WM3 supporters have been saying for 12 years.
Did you click the second link. He came out last night as a WM3 supporter as he now believes thanks to this new evidence and whatever else he knows that the WM3 are innocent. Not all supporters believed he was the murderer we just believe that he probably should have been investigated more when the original investigation was ongoing
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No Way wrote:
Man in Black wrote:
...but I thought Byers was the murderer? At least that's what all the WM3 supporters have been saying for 12 years.
Did you click the second link. He came out last night as a WM3 supporter as he now believes thanks to this new evidence and whatever else he knows that the WM3 are innocent. Not all supporters believed he was the murderer we just believe that he probably should have been investigated more when the original investigation was ongoing
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J38ryan wrote:
No Way wrote:
Man in Black wrote:
...but I thought Byers was the murderer? At least that's what all the WM3 supporters have been saying for 12 years.
Did you click the second link. He came out last night as a WM3 supporter as he now believes thanks to this new evidence and whatever else he knows that the WM3 are innocent. Not all supporters believed he was the murderer we just believe that he probably should have been investigated more when the original investigation was ongoing
I thought he died???
No but his first wife, the mother of one of the victim's died in 1996
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No Way wrote:
J38ryan wrote:
No Way wrote:
Man in Black wrote:
...but I thought Byers was the murderer? At least that's what all the WM3 supporters have been saying for 12 years.
Did you click the second link. He came out last night as a WM3 supporter as he now believes thanks to this new evidence and whatever else he knows that the WM3 are innocent. Not all supporters believed he was the murderer we just believe that he probably should have been investigated more when the original investigation was ongoing
I thought he died???
No but his first wife, the mother of one of the victim's died in 1996
That's right. I hope all of this new evidence is true. I am shocked to find that everyone seems to be implicating a different father of one of the boys.
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J38ryan wrote:
No Way wrote:
J38ryan wrote:
No Way wrote:
Man in Black wrote:
...but I thought Byers was the murderer? At least that's what all the WM3 supporters have been saying for 12 years.
Did you click the second link. He came out last night as a WM3 supporter as he now believes thanks to this new evidence and whatever else he knows that the WM3 are innocent. Not all supporters believed he was the murderer we just believe that he probably should have been investigated more when the original investigation was ongoing
I thought he died???
No but his first wife, the mother of one of the victim's died in 1996
That's right. I hope all of this new evidence is true. I am shocked to find that everyone seems to be implicating a different father of one of the boys.
I wouldn't go as far as saying it was Terry Hobbs yet but there is more physical evidence pointing towards him than there ever has DJ&J. There was a small piece of DNA found on Stevie Branch's penis which will be tested once the technology becomes available in the Bode lab where the recent DNA testing was done. This is expected to be in the next few months
...but I thought Byers was the murderer? At least that's what all the WM3 supporters have been saying for 12 years.
Did you click the second link. He came out last night as a WM3 supporter as he now believes thanks to this new evidence and whatever else he knows that the WM3 are innocent. Not all supporters believed he was the murderer we just believe that he probably should have been investigated more when the original investigation was ongoing
I thought he died???
No but his first wife, the mother of one of the victim's died in 1996
That's right. I hope all of this new evidence is true. I am shocked to find that everyone seems to be implicating a different father of one of the boys.
I wouldn't go as far as saying it was Terry Hobbs yet but there is more physical evidence pointing towards him than there ever has DJ&J. There was a small piece of DNA found on Stevie Branch's penis which will be tested once the technology becomes available in the Bode lab where the recent DNA testing was done. This is expected to be in the next few months
Alright. Who paid for the testing? What lab was used? Other than the lab and the defense attorneys, was the testing supervised by anyone else? What, specifically, contained the genetic material that was found? Where was it found? Who preserved it? Was all genetic material found (and preserved) from the crime scene tested? ...and if so were all findings released?
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Man in Black wrote:
Alright. Who paid for the testing? What lab was used? Other than the lab and the defense attorneys, was the testing supervised by anyone else? What, specifically, contained the genetic material that was found? Where was it found? Who preserved it? Was all genetic material found (and preserved) from the crime scene tested? ...and if so were all findings released?
1. Funds raised by the defense 2. Bode Lab based near Washington DC 3. The lab was chosen by the prosecution so it should have been overseen by both the prosecution and defense. 4.A hair found in a ligature on the shoelace used to tie up one of the victims. 5.Shoelace used to tie either Michael Moore or Stevie Branch. I can't remember which one just now. 6.The State of Arkansas 7.No as the police "lost" some of it during the original investigation 8.All that has been made public is in the writ filed last week. There are still some parts of the writ to be made public.
i already posted this in PJ chat, but since not everyone goes there:
tonight 9pm ET: Larry King
Quote:
Exclusive Death Row Interview
Exclusive jailhouse interview with Damien Echols, one of the 'Memphis Three', on death row convicted of murdering three young boys. With new DNA evidence out, could the wrong man be behind bars? Or is the killer where he should be?
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