have any of you guys seen this?
i just watched it last week & i'm kinda blown away by it. It's pretty terrifying if it's all true. Anyone else seen it?
It's available for download or so i'm told. is it true the guys who made it have been interred and are in prison without charge etc?
Curious to see have any american people seen this yet and what they think of it.

what's terrifying about the historical study of theological origins?

Here's the website for anyone who wants to watch, btw.
none of it is scary or whatever, it's pretty much what you'd learn if you took a number of courses in comparative religion and mythological origins.

maybe it should be taught in grade school.


http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/statement.htm

well. I've been wathcing this on the website... I've just gotten to part 2, and I'm seeing them talking about the destruction of the world trade center, so I assume there's a whole conspiracy theory going on in this second part, which I'll reserve judgement on since I dont' have time to get through the rest of it today, but the first part is pretty much just factual knowledge and history about the origins of Christianity and how it's so similar to most other ancient religions.

you mustnt have seen part two...it basically proves the USA government staged 9/11 and has lotsa pretty terrifying information about the reasons & motivations behind the so called 'attacks' and all the ramifications for not just US citizens but the whole world. Watch the rest of it, it's good stuff. I guess i was kinda hoping somebody here could disprove it. Like dont tell me you dont feel something creeping up with the iran thing...
heres whats current at zeitgeist.com


WE MUST STOP THE POLICE STATE
BY EXPOSING 9/11

Though many different frauds are addressed in Zeitgeist, at the present time the most important issue is exposing 9/11 and thus exposing government sponsored Terrorism. If we do not, they will erode all of our civil liberties and an oppressive, military style, surveillance based Police State will take firm root.

On Aug. 4th 2007, the Senate passed the Bush backed 'spy bill', which preserves & expands the illegal domestic spying program. I hope people are educated enough by this time to know that such legislations have nothing to do with Terrorism, and everything to do with monitoring and controlling American dissent.

Furthermore, on May 9 2007, Bush signed the
National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive,
which gives Bush near full dictatorial powers in the event of a "National Emergency". Bush, and the people he works for, will be able to do ANYTHING they want if a "National Emergency" is deemed. All they need is a "New 9/11".
The US Constitution will no longer be applicable.

In regards to this Directive, Paul Craig Roberts, a former Assistant
Secretary of the Treasury during the Reagan administration, has come
out and said he feels the White House is preparing to STAGE A NEW 9/11 and the executive order is designed to capitalize on such an attack, specifically to impose Martial Law and Invade Iran.

IN ORDER TO STOP MARTIAL LAW AND THE TOTAL DESTRUCTION
OF THE US CONSTITUTION, WE MUST STOP ANOTHER FALSE
FLAG ATTACK. THE FIRST STEP IS TO EXPOSE THE 9/11 FRAUD.
THIS IS THE EVENT THAT IS BEING USED TO JUSTIFY THE DEVELOPING POLICE STATE, NOT TO MENTION WORLDWIDE OPPRESSION.

the first part is very interesting

How they found bodies but not a single piece (substantial) of the plane @ the pentagon is disturbing.

Im really tired about talking of this subject, but there are many things to be explained.

The structures of the Pentagon and WTC are pretty different. One was an office building, and the other is a concrete military base. Not finding pieces at the Pentagon doesn't seem that out of the ordinary. I'd liken it to when investigators search plane crash sites and only find small shards of fuselage. When something slams into concrete at a high rate of speed with full fuel tanks I wouldn't think it'd be very likely for there to be large parts left.

The unnerving part to me is that whatever hit the Pentagon hit the most recently fortified part of the building. Granted, I-395 hugs one side of the building which means only 4 sides could've been approached, but its still quite lucky that they hit the side they did.

to be sincere, i never saw any plane crash scene empty

even the Lost one, and dude, its LOST.

just release the videos they have, and ill believe

What are you people smoking? Clearly the Joos did 9/11. PD is in on it too.

i think that's exactly what the want us to think...there's no waaaay a plane hits a building, how ever reiforced it may be, and just evaporates, even in extremely high temperatures. There would be big parts of the fuselage relatively untouched by the fireball, I just don't believe that was a plane i think it was a bomb but I'd like to ask the filmmakers, if flight 93 went down as they say it did or was shot down, which seems liklier, where'd all the people on board go to? it just looks like a large explosive was let off in the field, but the lack of any fuselage, peoples luggage, or even bodies, not to menion any real wreckage, it's weird, none of it adds up i don't think.

I think its possible for a plane to crash, explode, and have there not be huge chunks of fuselage left, but every instance is different I suppose. Same thing goes with passengers. I'm not sure how common it is for investigators to find bodies largely intact. If a jetliner explodes, everything inside does too to a degree, and a streak of debris is left in the ground.

There was a commercial jetliner that crashed in the Everglades in the early 1990s I believe, and there wasn't much left after that wreckage if my memory serves me right. Sure, there'll be some metal, steel, and plastic after a crash, but I doubt anything recognizable.

Then there's the exact opposite with a scenario like TWA 800 that exploded off of Long Island. Investigators fucking REBUILT the entire plane from the wreckage piece by piece to find out what happened. Tear out a page from a magazine and wrinkle it up as much as you can. Then unfold it and that's what the plane looked like. All these eye witnesses said they saw a missile hit it, and the Navy was testing equipment in the area supposedly, but the official line from the investigators was that a fuel tank exploded after something sparked. They were just never able to conclude what caused the spark.

While there might be rationale explanations for what happened in Arlington to the Pentagon, we'll obviously never know. Is it likely that our leaders staged this as an excuse to plant the American flag in the Middle East and suck up all of the resources they could before everything dries up and we face a crisis about how to power our planet and survive? I'd hate to think that, but it wouldn't surprise me. What surprises me is that as a people, we're still not in the streets and that a lot of evil people are still in power.

"I don't believe anything the government tells me. Ever."
- George Carlin, 'Jammin' In New York,' 1992

The same things happening here..this country was broke for all intents and purposes til the late 80s, then we hadthis Celtic Tiger bullshit...all it was was that banks started lending, thus creating the ilusion of a healthy economy, time was in Dublin people would march to the Govenment buildings over hospital bed shortages and class sizes. Nowadays people are comfortable and their bank accounts a bit fatter, they don't wanna rock the boat & change the Government, even though we desperately need a change.

I think a staged 'terrorist' nuclear event is gonna happen, i think it will be in an allied country like Ireland (cos we allow rendition flights & US troop carrier flights to land in Shannon-even though we're sposedly neutral) and it's gonna allow those 'men behind the curtains' to once and for all be rid of each countries constitutions&implement the last mechanisms to bring about one world government and absolute control over world population. The part at the end about surgically placed chips is really fuckin frightening.

Zeitgeist left me wondering 'but what can i do about it?'
wish i knew...

just watched this. interesting, but even if it's true, what can we do about it? as a teenager i used to wonder why citizens didn't get together storm area 51 to see wtf was going on. i get it now. i want the truth, but i want comfort and safety for my family more.

if anyone is considering watching this, and i think it's worth your time, skip the first 10 minutes or so and begin with part 1.

part 4 is coming in october.

just saw the first movie, gonna download the second one during the weekend or sometime soon.

even if a lot of it was bullshit (and i mean besides the religion stuff, cuz i already agree with that), it still raises interesting questions. towards the end i was feeling depressed and pissed, and then wanted to cry when bill hicks' voiceover began and showed mlk, lennon, etc.

The second one goes way over your head the first time around. Multiple viewings is essential to understand it. Good stuff except for the Venus Project, which sounds nice, but is impossible to implement successfully. I'll post more on this after work.

Does anyone else think this would have been much better if they'd gotten Bill Maher to narrate it?

has ANYONE seen the new 'part two' they've released in the past while? anyone got any insight on it?

Hey man, I'm all for looking into conspiracy theories and looking past the government, and granted I haven't seen Zeitgeist yet, but I'm guessing it makes the same arguments as "In Plane Site". It's not a terrible case, but it's really not convincing. The argument you're using here though is pretty weak. I mean, unless I've forgotten multiple instances where they scientifically tested what happens when you ram a plane full of fuel at full speed into an actual building, I'm pretty sure you can't claim that there's no way anything doesn't happen. They really never tried to kamikaze the Pentagon before, so it's not really surprising that what happens goes against your ideas when your ideas have little basis in reality.

guys i think there's a topic on this on n+d

but that's just my guess

and i think there's a part of this mentioning the 16th amendment
the 16th amendment/income tax is not unconstitutional
we had a topic about that one too