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 Post subject: When history looks back on the "Steroid Era"...
PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:46 pm 
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...I am hopeful that the guys who didn't cheat are not associated with those who did. 20 years from now, I can see this happening two ways....and let's take my favorite player Ken Griffey Jr. as the example. Here's a guy who dominated for a decade, places in the top 10 in career homers, and has won multiple gold gloves:

Scenario 1: "Ahh...Griffey played during the steroid era. None of those stats should count because the game was so tainted."

Scenario 2: "Griffey truly was one of the greatest players of all time. Sure, he played during the steroid era...but we know he wasn't a user and in fact his numbers are even MORE impressive when you consider that half the guys he was playing against (including pitchers) had an unfair advantage against him and yet he STILL dominated. In a time when half the players cheated by using steroids, Griffey was true to the game and stood head & shoulders above the rest."

This can apply to other players such as Frank Thomas, etc. I'm really hoping that when we look back on this, baseball fans largely (if not overwhelmingly) side with Scenario 2.

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 Post subject: Re: When history looks back on the "Steroid Era"...
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how do we know he didnt take em....i mean, he did get hurt a lot

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 Post subject: Re: When history looks back on the "Steroid Era"...
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i got bugs wrote:
how do we know he didnt take em....i mean, he did get hurt a lot

that may be a good sign that he did NOT take HGH...

i think i am going to side with scenario #2 up there...

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 Post subject: Re: When history looks back on the "Steroid Era"...
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denverapolis wrote:
i got bugs wrote:
how do we know he didnt take em....i mean, he did get hurt a lot

that may be a good sign that he did NOT take HGH...

i think i am going to side with scenario #2 up there...



yeah me too but still

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 Post subject: Re: When history looks back on the "Steroid Era"...
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Griffey could do no wrong as far as im concerned so im going with scenario #2.

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didnt his #s go down and he have more injuries when they started testing?

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warehouse wrote:
didnt his #s go down and he have more injuries when they started testing?


You could argue that, but you could also argue that he was also older and had played a shitload of games when they started testing.


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I don't think Griffey used steroids although i wouldn't be shocked if it came out that he did. He seemed to grow into his body normally. Maybe i'm just being naive cause he was my favorite player for awhile when he was on Seattle. Now i know how Bonds' fans feel........wait, no i don't...they're fucking morons

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As much as I thought Roger Clemens was a real douchbag since 1997, and really didn't like him much in his later years, I can't deny that when I was a wee lad in the early 90s he was one of my favorite baseball players. Him being named didn't surprise me at all, and it doesnt bother me that much becaue I really didnt like him the last 10 years, but it still sucks having one of your childhood heros come out as a cheater.

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stevenvill wrote:
Griffey could do no wrong as far as im concerned so im going with scenario #2.

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Griffey is a badass, and the injuries to me support that he didn't cheat and of course his numbers would go down after numerous injuries and the natural wear and tear of playing regardless of whether testing started or not.

And come on no one was suprised about Roger Clemens, he was one of the first people I thought of when they said some big name players were on the Mitchell Report.


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 Post subject: Re: When history looks back on the "Steroid Era"...
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wait, frank thomas didnt roid?


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we'll find out that more yankees players did roids than any other team; at least that's what it sounds like jose c. will explain in his book: http://www.espn.com

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 Post subject: Re: When history looks back on the "Steroid Era"...
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Coach wrote:
we'll find out that more yankees players did roids than any other team; at least that's what it sounds like jose c. will explain in his book: http://www.espn.com


they should of just had Jose do the steroid report


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