Victims may have dangled leg over tiger's moat, says report
The father of a teen who was killed by a tiger at the San Francisco Zoo questioned the facility's safety on Thursday, as police reportedly considered whether one of the victims taunted the deadly jungle cat.
Sources close to the investigation told the San Francisco Chronicle that police are probing whether one of the Siberian tiger's three victims climbed over a fence Christmas Day and then dangled a leg or other body part over the moat.
Police said Carlos Sousa, 17, of San Jose was killed just outside the tiger's enclosure. The two others, who were injured, were about 300 yards away by a cafe. Video Watch more on clues from the deadly attack »
A shoe and blood were found between the fence and the moat, the Chronicle reported, and a footprint has been found on a metal fence at the zoo. The investigation is looking into the possibility that the tiger escaped by latching on to a leg or other body part, the paper reported.
"Somebody created a situation that really agitated [the tiger] and and gave her some method to break her out," zoo director Manuel Mollinedo told the Chronicle. "A couple of feet dangling over the edge could possibly have done it."
But a police sergeant told the paper there was no reason to think the victims were taunting the tiger.
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Victims may have dangled leg over tiger's moat, says report
The father of a teen who was killed by a tiger at the San Francisco Zoo questioned the facility's safety on Thursday, as police reportedly considered whether one of the victims taunted the deadly jungle cat.
Sources close to the investigation told the San Francisco Chronicle that police are probing whether one of the Siberian tiger's three victims climbed over a fence Christmas Day and then dangled a leg or other body part over the moat.
Police said Carlos Sousa, 17, of San Jose was killed just outside the tiger's enclosure. The two others, who were injured, were about 300 yards away by a cafe. Video Watch more on clues from the deadly attack »
A shoe and blood were found between the fence and the moat, the Chronicle reported, and a footprint has been found on a metal fence at the zoo. The investigation is looking into the possibility that the tiger escaped by latching on to a leg or other body part, the paper reported.
"Somebody created a situation that really agitated [the tiger] and and gave her some method to break her out," zoo director Manuel Mollinedo told the Chronicle. "A couple of feet dangling over the edge could possibly have done it."
But a police sergeant told the paper there was no reason to think the victims were taunting the tiger.
If this is true, I no longer feel sorry for that family. Kid should have common sense not to dangle his feet over the moat (much less climb over the fence), and the parents should have had the common sense to stop him. We've got some real winners in our country these days.
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it's always kinda sad when a tiger gets killed. i wonder why they didn't tranquilize her instead. it'd be even more sad if it's true that she was taunted by that kid.
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conoalias wrote:
it's always kinda sad when a tiger gets killed.
yep. about 100 years ago i think there were 100,000 tigers in the world. about 5,000 are left.
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conoalias wrote:
bart d. wrote:
A Tiger that kills a human can develop a tendancy to look upon us as prey.
well yeah, it's a fucking tiger, of course they're gonna be preying, but it's not the tiger's fault that she got out of the pen.
How do we know the police even had tranquilizer handy? I'm sure their only goal was to make sure nobody else gets hurt. At that point, I doubt they were too concerned about the tiger's survival.
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conoalias wrote:
bart d. wrote:
A Tiger that kills a human can develop a tendancy to look upon us as prey.
well yeah, it's a fucking tiger, of course they're gonna be preying, but it's not the tiger's fault that she got out of the pen.
How do we know the police even had tranquilizer handy? I'm sure their only goal was to make sure nobody else gets hurt. At that point, I doubt they were too concerned about the tiger's survival.
of course. the question is whether the tiger should be there in the first place.
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A Tiger that kills a human can develop a tendancy to look upon us as prey.
well yeah, it's a fucking tiger, of course they're gonna be preying, but it's not the tiger's fault that she got out of the pen.
How do we know the police even had tranquilizer handy? I'm sure their only goal was to make sure nobody else gets hurt. At that point, I doubt they were too concerned about the tiger's survival.
well yeah if a gun is the only thing you carry, you use that to shoot. but if those cops are actually stationed at the zoo i'd like to think they also carry tranquilizer guns. i understand why, but it just sucks that they had to kill her, when she wasn't at fault at all.
A Tiger that kills a human can develop a tendancy to look upon us as prey.
well yeah, it's a fucking tiger, of course they're gonna be preying, but it's not the tiger's fault that she got out of the pen.
How do we know the police even had tranquilizer handy? I'm sure their only goal was to make sure nobody else gets hurt. At that point, I doubt they were too concerned about the tiger's survival.
well yeah if a gun is the only thing you carry, you use that to shoot. but if those cops are actually stationed at the zoo i'd like to think they also carry tranquilizer guns. i understand why, but it just sucks that they had to kill her, when she wasn't at fault at all.
They're cops, not animal control. They're not there in case animals get out, they're at the zoo to keep people in line. An animal getting out like this was almost unthinkable, so it's not like they have a team of hunters ready with the stun guns.
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A Tiger that kills a human can develop a tendancy to look upon us as prey.
well yeah, it's a fucking tiger, of course they're gonna be preying, but it's not the tiger's fault that she got out of the pen.
How do we know the police even had tranquilizer handy? I'm sure their only goal was to make sure nobody else gets hurt. At that point, I doubt they were too concerned about the tiger's survival.
well yeah if a gun is the only thing you carry, you use that to shoot. but if those cops are actually stationed at the zoo i'd like to think they also carry tranquilizer guns. i understand why, but it just sucks that they had to kill her, when she wasn't at fault at all.
They're cops, not animal control. They're not there in case animals get out, they're at the zoo to keep people in line. An animal getting out like this was almost unthinkable, so it's not like they have a team of hunters ready with the stun guns.
i know they're not there in case an animal gets out, but it'd be nice that they are prepared once it does happen. again, i'm just sad they had to shoot her.
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The father of a teen who was killed by a tiger at the San Francisco Zoo questioned the facility's safety on Thursday, as police reportedly considered whether one of the victims taunted the deadly jungle cat.
This is what happens EVERY TIME an animal kills a person in a zoo. The lack of safety versus lack of caution discussion. I wonder how long it will take for every zoo in the world to renew their safety measures and/or animal lovers realise how fucking dangerous some of these things are. My guess is: around the same time hell starts flying or pigs freeze over or how does one say this.
Oh well.
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Timber wrote:
corduroy_blazer wrote:
The father of a teen who was killed by a tiger at the San Francisco Zoo questioned the facility's safety on Thursday, as police reportedly considered whether one of the victims taunted the deadly jungle cat.
This is what happens EVERY TIME an animal kills a person in a zoo. The lack of safety versus lack of caution discussion. I wonder how long it will take for every zoo in the world to renew their safety measures and/or animal lovers realise how fucking dangerous some of these things are. My guess is: around the same time hell starts flying or pigs freeze over or how does one say this.
Oh well.
This all reminds of Bokito, a gorilla who escaped and attacked a woman this year over here in The Netherlands.
"On May 18, 2007, Bokito jumped over the ditch that separated his enclosure from the public and violently attacked a woman, dragging her around for tens of meters and inflicting bone fractures as well as more than a hundred bite wounds. He subsequently entered the nearby restaurant, causing panic among the visitors. During this encounter, three more people were injured as a result of the panic. Bokito was eventually sedated with the help of a tranquilizer gun and placed back in his cage.
The woman who was attacked had been a regular visitor to the great apes' enclosure, visiting an average of 4 times per week. She had a habit of touching the glass that separated her from the gorillas, while making eye contact with Bokito and smiling to him, a practice that is discouraged by primatologists, as apes are likely to interpret human smiling as a form of aggressive display. Zoo employees had previously warned her against doing this, but she continued, claiming a special bond with him: in an interview with De Telegraaf, she said "if I laugh at him, he laughs back"."
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They're cops, not animal control. They're not there in case animals get out, they're at the zoo to keep people in line. An animal getting out like this was almost unthinkable, so it's not like they have a team of hunters ready with the stun guns.
