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........ Not only is it the best thriller ever made but it has to be my fav. Fincher film (which is saying something since i adore fight club and zodiac)
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Why? Not trying to argue since i love both just curious
I feel like I could watch Zodiac right now and really enjoy it again, I'm not so sure I'd want to watch Seven again anytime soon. I love the mood and atmosphere of both, but it might be because Seven relies on a twist at the end and Zodiac is much more open-ended, so maybe its easier to enjoy something that you're left to think about for a long time. The end of Seven was very good, it did piss me off because its kind of a depressing end, but I came to appreciate it a lot more later on.
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invention wrote:
stevenvill wrote:
invention wrote:
i like zodiac better
Why? Not trying to argue since i love both just curious
I feel like I could watch Zodiac right now and really enjoy it again, I'm not so sure I'd want to watch Seven again anytime soon. I love the mood and atmosphere of both, but it might be because Seven relies on a twist at the end and Zodiac is much more open-ended, so maybe its easier to enjoy something that you're left to think about for a long time. The end of Seven was very good, it did piss me off because its kind of a depressing end, but I came to appreciate it a lot more later on.
ok i can understand that but i differ then you in the fact that the ending of seven is what pushes it above Fincher's other movies
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stevenvill wrote:
theplatypus wrote:
A decent enough flick that is almost ruined by Brad Pitt's disastrous performance.
What? Watch the scene at the end in the desert again and tell me that's not the most ham-handed, amateurish acting this side of Ben Affleck. When he's hesitating on whether to shoot or not. My God.
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theplatypus wrote:
stevenvill wrote:
theplatypus wrote:
A decent enough flick that is almost ruined by Brad Pitt's disastrous performance.
What? Watch the scene at the end in the desert again and tell me that's not the most ham-handed, amateurish acting this side of Ben Affleck. When he's hesitating on whether to shoot or not. My God.
I thought he was good in that movie. Nothing earth shattering but for sure better then how you put it. And a big for the " decent enough flick" comment
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I also happen to like Zodiac better, I think it has more depth as a crime film and perhaps it covers it's themes in a much more subtle way, ie the elusiveness of truth and how intuition oftentimes wants to override our best judgments or those of the justice system. All the tiny details which the film presides over are just essential to how the characters cope with this problem. It avoids romanticizing the era, the actual case, and the investigative work that went into it. There are some great details in this film, like when Graysmith meets Avery in his boat and Pong is playing the background (obviously metaphorical on several levels), when Graysmith sees Toschi at Dirty Harry (Fincher drawing a line in the sand between the "idealized" crime film and reality), the way the film opens and closes with the Zodiac victim who still doesn't quite seem sure of his identity, or a much eerier conception of 1960s San Fransisco which has never really been done before. The performances are just amazingly good as well, and the pacing and passage of time is just extraordinary.
Maybe I'm fawning over it because I saw it again the other day, and I knew the ending to Seven way before I even saw the film (which was actually in edited bits and pieces on Fox) but Zodiac was remarkably good and intelligent, and I haven't and have yet to see anything like it. I think Seven deserves praise for it's visceral impact, it's shock value at a severed head or gruesome murders, but Zodiac is much more real and tangible. A slasher film for adults.
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A decent enough flick that is almost ruined by Brad Pitt's disastrous performance.
This comment also bothers me. There is acting in his performance. My brother is a law enforcement officer, and sometimes i find his narrow mindedness much like Brad Pitt's (the opposite of Morgan Freeman in the film). The arrogant approach, the hot headed temper. Ben Affleck wouldn't delve too deep into it. But he can direct!
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