Post subject: Honest to God Posting for Politics/Civil Rights Course pt. 2
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:30 pm
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She who will remain nameless returns to enlighten us with some blistering social commentary, in this weeks episode the question is...
How should the Supreme Court approach the equal protection clause today? Are there groups that are being denied equal protection rights by the states?
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Being denied rights is being denied life, liberty, and property. I do not think that there is any one person being denied this. Many think that the gay/lesbian society is being denied rights because they are not allowed to marry. Well, actually, they are allowed to marry and in quite a few places. They can just fly to a city that is offering marriage license’s to gay couples and fly back home. Their home state may not honor the license but at that point, if the couple feels strongly enough about it, they can move to the state that does honor them as valid. If they could not get married anywhere, no matter what, I would think they are getting denied a right but they can marry so they are not being denied anything. I think there are some groups today that feel like they are being denied rights but under the basic meaning of the Constitution, they are not. Groups like this just want to be heard so they cause scenes to create attention. It is not like the old days where people were separated and discriminated against because of their race or gender. You can not tell, for sure, a gay person from a straight person so they might be sitting right next to you, in first class, and you not even know it. The world is changing and the government has to keep up. The U.S. Supreme Court should judge on fairness and especially equality. Every person, as a citizen of the United States, has equal rights under the Constitution and the Courts should issue judgments in that manner. Anything that suppresses a person from life, liberty, and property is considered a right being denied and this is unacceptable. I feel the courts have done a good job and should continue to interpret laws as they have done in the past.
My humble reply.
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I think you have unwittingly outlined the exact argument put forth by the gay and lesbian communities about marriage/civil unions. Seperate statutes which can only be applied in certain states sounds eerily like the doctrine of "seperate but equal". I dont think it is a valid argument to say that you are entitled to a right in one state, but not another, especially if the court holds that this right is protected under the 14th ammendment, in which case the equal protection clause will supercede any action by the state. The real debate on this issue I find misplaced, if the Supreme Court ruled on the constitutionality of marriage in general the point would become moot.
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I feel that responding to your friend's writing would be missing the point of these threads, which is merely to sit back and laugh at the stupidity. You are doing a fine job in your own responses.
Keep 'em coming. And at the end of the semester, you should let her know that all of her writing has been posted on an internet message board purely for the amusement of others.
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I missed the backstory on this. Wanna help me out? Who is this woman? Why does she issue political opinion pieces to you?
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I am just adding my responses so that we can get everyones opinions, just in case my position is as off base as her own (its happend before).
She is a classmate of mine, we are required to discuss the issues pertaining to each of the weekly writing assignments in a forum. The logic behind it is this lets us air out our opinions so that we don't have vapid rambling 4 page essays that are only opinon pieces.
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Got this email from her today, apparently she believes my use of the word "unwittingly" was improper, I disagree as a matter of principle!
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I want to ask you why you would degrade me so severely, in class, in front of everyone else. Your quote was, "I think you have unwittingly outlined the exact argument put forth by the gay and lesbian communities about marriage/civil unions." Do you know what unwittingly means. It means unknowledgeable and that I am not. If you do not agree with my discussion, say you do not agree and tell me why. Do not tell me I am stupid! Even though the teacher will read it, I wanted to come to you and ask you why instead of emailing the teacher. I was very hurt by your assumption of me. I have an opinion and am entitled to it as much as you but you do not have to put me down because of it. Just explain your side of it and let it remain at that
My Response:
If you interpreted that as an insult, forgive me. I was not implying
that you were unintelligent. I made no assertions about your personal
character, my opinion was that the argument you made only reinforced the view of your opponents on this issue. I do not think this was your
intent, and therefore believed that the word I used was appropriate.
Again, I am geniunely sorry if I have offended you, but my post
contained no vitriol, it was simply an observation. I did not state or
insinuate stupidity, I did disagree with your argument, and I feel I
substantiated my reasoning.
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punkdavid wrote:
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deathbyflannel wrote:
Got this email from her today, apparently she believes my use of the word "unwittingly" was improper, I disagree as a matter of principle!
Quote:
I want to ask you why you would degrade me so severely, in class, in front of everyone else. Your quote was, "I think you have unwittingly outlined the exact argument put forth by the gay and lesbian communities about marriage/civil unions." Do you know what unwittingly means. It means unknowledgeable and that I am not. If you do not agree with my discussion, say you do not agree and tell me why. Do not tell me I am stupid! Even though the teacher will read it, I wanted to come to you and ask you why instead of emailing the teacher. I was very hurt by your assumption of me. I have an opinion and am entitled to it as much as you but you do not have to put me down because of it. Just explain your side of it and let it remain at that
My Response:
If you interpreted that as an insult, forgive me. I was not implying that you were unintelligent. I made no assertions about your personal character, my opinion was that the argument you made only reinforced the view of your opponents on this issue. I do not think this was your intent, and therefore believed that the word I used was appropriate. Again, I am geniunely sorry if I have offended you, but my post contained no vitriol, it was simply an observation. I did not state or insinuate stupidity, I did disagree with your argument, and I feel I substantiated my reasoning.
Well shit, man. She only had to look up one word in the dictionary in your original response, and now she's going to have to look up three more!
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un·wit·ting ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-wtng)
adj.
1. Not knowing; unaware: an unwitting subject in an experiment.
2. Not intended; unintentional: an unwitting admission of guilt.
vit·ri·ol ( P ) Pronunciation Key (vtr-l, -l)
n.
1.
1. See sulfuric acid.
2. Any of various sulfates of metals, such as ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, or copper sulfate.
2. Bitterly abusive feeling or expression.
in·sin·u·ate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-sny-t)
v. in·sin·u·at·ed, in·sin·u·at·ing, in·sin·u·ates
v. tr.
1. To introduce or otherwise convey (a thought, for example) gradually and insidiously. See Synonyms at suggest.
2. To introduce or insert (oneself) by subtle and artful means.
1. To support with proof or evidence; verify: substantiate an accusation. See Synonyms at confirm.
2.
1. To give material form to; embody.
2. To make firm or solid.
3. To give substance to; make real or actual.
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deathbyflannel wrote:
Got this email from her today, apparently she believes my use of the word "unwittingly" was improper, I disagree as a matter of principle!
Quote:
I want to ask you why you would degrade me so severely, in class, in front of everyone else. Your quote was, "I think you have unwittingly outlined the exact argument put forth by the gay and lesbian communities about marriage/civil unions." Do you know what unwittingly means. It means unknowledgeable and that I am not. If you do not agree with my discussion, say you do not agree and tell me why. Do not tell me I am stupid! Even though the teacher will read it, I wanted to come to you and ask you why instead of emailing the teacher. I was very hurt by your assumption of me. I have an opinion and am entitled to it as much as you but you do not have to put me down because of it. Just explain your side of it and let it remain at that
My Response:
If you interpreted that as an insult, forgive me. I was not implying that you were unintelligent. I made no assertions about your personal character, my opinion was that the argument you made only reinforced the view of your opponents on this issue. I do not think this was your intent, and therefore believed that the word I used was appropriate. Again, I am geniunely sorry if I have offended you, but my post contained no vitriol, it was simply an observation. I did not state or insinuate stupidity, I did disagree with your argument, and I feel I substantiated my reasoning.
Oh snap. You two should get rid of all that tension by making sweet love after class.
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deathbyflannel wrote:
Got this email from her today, apparently she believes my use of the word "unwittingly" was improper, I disagree as a matter of principle!
Quote:
I want to ask you why you would degrade me so severely, in class, in front of everyone else. Your quote was, "I think you have unwittingly outlined the exact argument put forth by the gay and lesbian communities about marriage/civil unions." Do you know what unwittingly means. It means unknowledgeable and that I am not. If you do not agree with my discussion, say you do not agree and tell me why. Do not tell me I am stupid! Even though the teacher will read it, I wanted to come to you and ask you why instead of emailing the teacher. I was very hurt by your assumption of me. I have an opinion and am entitled to it as much as you but you do not have to put me down because of it. Just explain your side of it and let it remain at that
My Response:
If you interpreted that as an insult, forgive me. I was not implying that you were unintelligent. I made no assertions about your personal character, my opinion was that the argument you made only reinforced the view of your opponents on this issue. I do not think this was your intent, and therefore believed that the word I used was appropriate. Again, I am geniunely sorry if I have offended you, but my post contained no vitriol, it was simply an observation. I did not state or insinuate stupidity, I did disagree with your argument, and I feel I substantiated my reasoning.
Maybe instead of writing that response, you should've just handed her a dictionary and had her look up the word "unwitting". I think she's misinterpretting the definition, which is causing her to get all bent out of shape.
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OrpheusDescending wrote:
deathbyflannel wrote:
Got this email from her today, apparently she believes my use of the word "unwittingly" was improper, I disagree as a matter of principle!
Quote:
I want to ask you why you would degrade me so severely, in class, in front of everyone else. Your quote was, "I think you have unwittingly outlined the exact argument put forth by the gay and lesbian communities about marriage/civil unions." Do you know what unwittingly means. It means unknowledgeable and that I am not. If you do not agree with my discussion, say you do not agree and tell me why. Do not tell me I am stupid! Even though the teacher will read it, I wanted to come to you and ask you why instead of emailing the teacher. I was very hurt by your assumption of me. I have an opinion and am entitled to it as much as you but you do not have to put me down because of it. Just explain your side of it and let it remain at that
My Response:
If you interpreted that as an insult, forgive me. I was not implying that you were unintelligent. I made no assertions about your personal character, my opinion was that the argument you made only reinforced the view of your opponents on this issue. I do not think this was your intent, and therefore believed that the word I used was appropriate. Again, I am geniunely sorry if I have offended you, but my post contained no vitriol, it was simply an observation. I did not state or insinuate stupidity, I did disagree with your argument, and I feel I substantiated my reasoning.
Oh snap. You two should get rid of all that tension by making sweet love after class.
Make sure to bring a bottle of vitriol. And wear a condom so you don't insinuate her.
--PunkDavid
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I don't know if that girl has much chance of substantiating his penis.
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I can't believe I'm the only person that thinks it's wrong that some girl is taking a class to learn about certain things and everyone thinks it's fun to post her comments on a message board to make fun of her. She isn't writing an editorial, she's there to learn.
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PJDoll wrote:
I can't believe I'm the only person that thinks it's wrong that some girl is taking a class to learn about certain things and everyone thinks it's fun to post her comments on a message board to make fun of her. She isn't writing an editorial, she's there to learn.
Its entertainment. But I'll stop.
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punkdavid wrote:
Make sure to bring a bottle of vitriol. And wear a condom so you don't insinuate her.
I can't believe I'm the only person that thinks it's wrong that some girl is taking a class to learn about certain things and everyone thinks it's fun to post her comments on a message board to make fun of her. She isn't writing an editorial, she's there to learn.
Its entertainment. But I'll stop.
No, it's arrogant people that think they know everything making fun of someone that is actually trying to learn about issues.
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PJDoll wrote:
I can't believe I'm the only person that thinks it's wrong that some girl is taking a class to learn about certain things and everyone thinks it's fun to post her comments on a message board to make fun of her. She isn't writing an editorial, she's there to learn.
It's fun to make fun of women because they have vaginas.
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Cartman wrote:
PJDoll wrote:
I can't believe I'm the only person that thinks it's wrong that some girl is taking a class to learn about certain things and everyone thinks it's fun to post her comments on a message board to make fun of her. She isn't writing an editorial, she's there to learn.
It's fun to make fun of women because they have vaginas.
Precisely my point, succinctly put cartman, if a male had made those assertions I would never have questioned any of them.
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punkdavid wrote:
Make sure to bring a bottle of vitriol. And wear a condom so you don't insinuate her.
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PJDoll wrote:
I can't believe I'm the only person that thinks it's wrong that some girl is taking a class to learn about certain things and everyone thinks it's fun to post her comments on a message board to make fun of her. She isn't writing an editorial, she's there to learn.
Bah! We don't know who she is, and we need new, fresh, and entertaining debate topics. What's the big deal?
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