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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:48 pm 
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Well, since the Clinton campaign thinks they can win a battle against Obama on ethics and scandals, let's have at it.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/5/ ... 782/449767


Hillary Clinton's Scooter Libby Problem
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"Four years into the Iraq war, Americans are still living with the consequences of this White House's efforts to quell dissent. This commutation sends the clear signal that in this Administration, cronyism and ideology trump competence and justice."


Statement of Senator Hillary Clinton on President Bush's commutation of the prison term for I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby.

The Scooter Libby commutation is a microcosm of the Culture of Corruption, a key issue in the Democratic party's takeover of Congress in 2006. It shows the disregard for judicial norms, the corruption, and the abuse of office that have come to characterize the Bush Era.

Unfortunately, Hillary Clinton is not a credible critic of this Culture of Corruption, and certainly not of this episode.#

In 2008, we need someone with credibility on the issue of corruption and abuse of office if we are to take on St. John McCain, whose reputation for ethical behavior is overstated, but whose track record still outshines that of the Clintons.

The full vetting below the fold.

So, let's talk about abuses of office and cronyism involving executive pardons and commutations.

In the Clinton administration.

There are many such abuses to focus on. In the interest of brevity, we'll focus on two.

I. The New Square Four

The New Squ--who?

About New Square, New York.

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New Square (Hebrew: שיכון סקווירא) is an all-Hasidic village in the Town of Ramapo in Rockland County, New York. Its inhabitants are predominantly members of the Skverer Hasidic movement who seek to maintain a lifestyle based on Hasidic teachings.


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The village is administered by a Mayor, Deputy Mayor, and a Board of Trustees. Although elections take place, the officials generally run unopposed and actual voting is minimal. It is generally understood that officials running for office, are endorsed by Rabbi Twersky, the village's spiritual leader.


The upshot here, for external purposes, is that this community votes as a bloc in elections. People are told how to vote, and they comply.

So, what does this have to do with Hillary Clinton?

As it turns out, four men from New Square were convicted of fraud because they "

used a fictitious Jewish school to defraud the government of millions of dollars in education grants. "

Okay, okay. But what does that have to do with Hillary Clinton!?!?!?!

As it turns out, the village elders had a number of meetings with Bill and Hillary. The first was in August 2000.

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The first took place in the Rockland County village of New Square last August, while she was running for the Senate. State party operatives thought the tiny community--which had often voted in a bloc in the past--was a promising one for Hillary in her race against Republican Rick Lazio. Following Hasidic custom, Hillary covered her head and chatted about the village's health-care services from across a coffee table, on which a tall bouquet of flowers served as the traditional screen that Hasidim require between the sexes. As far as anyone knows, that was a campaign event only; no pardons were mentioned.


(emphasis added)

This is all rather curious, since New Square normally voted 90% Republican and in 2000 "nearby Hasidic communities voted just as overwhelmingly for her opponent, former Rep. Rick Lazio, R-N.Y."

So they have that meeting, and what is the final voting result in New Square for the Senate race?

Hillary Clinton: 1400
Rick Lazio: 12

Not 1200. 12. As in one short of a baker's dozen.

You can probably guess where this is going.

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The next session came four months later, after the sect had delivered nearly 1,400 votes for Hillary and only 12 for Lazio. On the morning of Dec. 22, Grand Rabbi David Twersky and an associate went to the White House and tearfully appealed to the President to pardon Benjamin Berger, David Goldstein, Jacob Elbaum and Kalman Stern. Hillary attended the meeting in the White House Map Room but insists she did not participate in the conversation. "I did not play any role whatsoever," she told the Associated Press. "I had no opinion about it."


Mmmmm hmmmmmm. Was Senator Clinton even there?

Why, yes!

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But, despite the fact that Hillary had campaigned for their vote, and the fact that they had delivered 99% of their votes to get her elected, and the fact that she was Bill's closest advisor who sounded off on every policy decision, she "knew nothing. Nothing!"

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Because, of course, the two meetings and the town delivering its votes en masse for her Senatorial campaign had "nothing. Nothing!" to do with what happened a few weeks later:

Bill's commutation of the sentences of the four convicted fraudsters during his last days in office.

But, I'm sure that was based solely on the merits and had "nothing. Nothing!" to do with the town's voting for his wife. And if it was discussed, she knew "nothing. Nothing!" about it.

For the record, there was an investigation by the US Attorney (Clinton appointee), and no hard evidence or paper trail was discovered.

II. Marc Rich.

This one is pretty straightforward.

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Marc Rich (born Marc David Reich on December 18, 1934) is an international commodities trader. He fled the United States in 1983 to live in Switzerland while being prosecuted on charges of tax evasion and illegally making oil deals with Iran during the hostage crisis.


The exact kind of poor, oppressed person for whom the scales of justice demand executive intervention.

Of course, the fact that Marc Rich's ex-wife Denise had donated

$450,000 dollars to the William Jefferson Clinton Presidential Library and tens of thousands of dollars in soft money to the DNC and to Hillary's Senate campaign had "nothing. Nothing!" to do with this.

As in the case of the New Square Four, there were no receipts or other forms of paper trail, so there was no evidence to support a prosecution.

In justifying this pardon, Clinton pointed to the fact that Rich's pardon had been sought by a 'distinguished Republican attorney'.

The name of that 'distinguished Republican attorney?'

I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby.

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#Query: Does Senator Clinton believe that perjurors should do prison time?

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How long does the average post like that take you? I realize it's mostly copy and paste, but the formatting has to take some time, right? I've always wondered that.

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How long does the average post like that take you? I realize it's mostly copy and paste, but the formatting has to take some time, right? I've always wondered that.

5 minutes for one with a lot of formatting.

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LOL indeed. You dems ain't the most loyal bunch, that's for sure.

Remember when the Democrats circled the wagons? Seems like yesterday...ah memories...

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LOL indeed. You dems ain't the most loyal bunch, that's for sure.

Remember when the Democrats circled the wagons? Seems like yesterday...ah memories...

It would have come out eventually from the GOP, right?

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I was watching a re-run of Face the Nation from last weekend and was amazed that David Axelrod was sitting there (via satellite, that is) and letting Clinton's Howard Wolfson blast away at Obama over this Rezko thing.
As this blog post points out - if the Clintons want to make an issue of such matters, then Obama should tell them to bring it on and proceed to roll in the dump truck of Clinton bullshit that they pulled. After all, Clinton conflates her time as First Lady into her "35 years of experience."

The mistake I think Obama made during the Ohio-Texas period was taking hits and not hitting back. He did a fair job at deflecting from their attacks but he really needs to reply with any future queries/attacks with counter-attacks. As the blog notes - Obama should see their Rezko and raise with a litany of Clinton scandals and such. Now, this goes against the core of Obama's candidacy, which is a new kind of politics. But if he soldiers on and doesn't make issues out of what the Clintons will bring as the Democratic nominee, he will go down in Pennsylvania and risk Hillary winning the argument with the superdelegates.


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punkdavid wrote:
Man in Black wrote:
LOL indeed. You dems ain't the most loyal bunch, that's for sure.

Remember when the Democrats circled the wagons? Seems like yesterday...ah memories...

It would have come out eventually from the GOP, right?


Come out?
It came out in 2001...Congressional hearings...the whole nine yards.

If Wesley Snipes gets a slap on the hand why should Marc Rich be on the FBI's most wanted list?

Factually, Scooter Libby was a "distinguished Repbulican attorney" at the time, and it was Bill who wrote that, not Hillary. Of course the article purposely conflates the two.

If anyone wants to recall, the initial reason for the Marc Rich controversy was the fact that Jack Quinn, Bill's former counsel, was representing Rich. The implication was that the pardon was a favor to Quinn. Mr. Quinn testified before congress, did a respectable job in defending himself, the issue was basically put to rest, Democrats like punkdavid paraded out long lists of pardons by former presidents and claimed the incident was much ado about nothing.

Fast forward to '08; there's quite a few left wing blogs that are starting to read like worldnetdaily.

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Man in Black wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
Man in Black wrote:
LOL indeed. You dems ain't the most loyal bunch, that's for sure.

Remember when the Democrats circled the wagons? Seems like yesterday...ah memories...

It would have come out eventually from the GOP, right?


Come out?
It came out in 2001...Congressional hearings...the whole nine yards.

If Wesley Snipes gets a slap on the hand why should Marc Rich be on the FBI's most wanted list?

Factually, Scooter Libby was a "distinguished Repbulican attorney" at the time, and it was Bill who wrote that, not Hillary. Of course the article purposely conflates the two.

If anyone wants to recall, the initial reason for the Marc Rich controversy was the fact that Jack Quinn, Bill's former counsel, was representing Rich. The implication was that the pardon was a favor to Quinn. Mr. Quinn testified before congress, did a respectable job in defending himself, the issue was basically put to rest, Democrats like punkdavid paraded out long lists of pardons by former presidents and claimed the incident was much ado about nothing.

Fast forward to '08; there's quite a few left wing blogs that are starting to read like worldnetdaily.


I think this has more to do with many Democrats waking up to the fact that Bill Clinton was an unethical scumbag (and I'm not talking about the Lewinsky nonsense) and that his wife could pretty much be described as having acted in concert.

Funny how, up until the election, whenever something about Bill Clinton was brought up by Republicans it was swiftly dismissed as the usual right-wing nonsense/conspiracy.


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Funny how, up until the election, whenever something about Bill Clinton was brought up by Republicans it was swiftly dismissed as the usual right-wing nonsense/conspiracy.


Riiiiight...and how many times have I heard my Democrat friends pine for the good ol' Clinton days the last 7 years?
Like I said, they're not the most loyal bunch.

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The pardons were always slimy, but when someone does something like that on their way out the door, it's like, fuck it, it's over. But when they try to come back in against a better candidate, may as well bring it back up.

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clinton was pretty slimey overall. theres lots to bring up on the economics/foreign policy front that has been ignored by alot of people.


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clinton was pretty slimey overall. theres lots to bring up on the economics/foreign policy front that has been ignored by alot of people.


True.....if Clinton is the nominee the first thing she will be hit with will be - why was the Clinton Administration busy dropping bombs on Kosovo when Bin Laden was busy in Afghanistan drafting a declaration of war against the US and bombing our embassies?

I commend Obama for not doing a lot of damage up to this point...he has acted as a loyal Democrat who is not giving McCain a lot of ammunition. Clinton, on the other hand, did a number on Obama right before the March 4th primaries when she said that in the general election she will bring forth her long national security resume, John McCain will put forth his and Obama will put forth a speech (the one he gave before the Iraq War). If Obama is the candidate, this will be the RNC's first commercial. If Clinton is going to win at all costs, then I see no reason why Obama should take the high road but when he is hit like this then he should answer the charge and then return fire with a roundhouse.


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Don't we have polls that demonstrate that the American people hate everything that comes out of Washington. All three branchs poll for shit on job performance.

How is experience within that system worth a damn? I'd hire no experience over experience at sucking 99 times out of 100.

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punkdavid wrote:
Man in Black wrote:
LOL indeed. You dems ain't the most loyal bunch, that's for sure.

Remember when the Democrats circled the wagons? Seems like yesterday...ah memories...

It would have come out eventually from the GOP, right?


It has for years hell a decade even but it means more to me coming from you for what it's worth :D

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Don't we have polls that demonstrate that the American people hate everything that comes out of Washington. All three branchs poll for shit on job performance.

How is experience within that system worth a damn? I'd hire no experience over experience at sucking 99 times out of 100.

This is what I have always wondered, as well. Most of the experience that will be needed comes from the cabinet, does it not? I would rather have an ethical and honest president with an experienced cabinet any day of the week.

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Didn't know if you guys had already seen this or not.

http://www.theroot.com/id/45135

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If Obama won't hit back, I will. Why aren't we talking about impeachment, Whitewater and Osama? The Republicans will.


March 5, 2008 -- This is a dirty campaign and since Senator Barack Obama won't say it, I will. The media has not been unfair to Senator Clinton, they have been extremely soft. There are elephants in the room that need to be addressed. Can anyone say Whitewater? How about impeachment? Let's not forget Osama bin Laden. You can bet Republicans will be talking about these issues. So why aren't Democrats? Clinton's central arguments in the campaign are basically a mirage, and they are dangerous ones both for the party and the country.

Clinton's line is that she is "experienced and ready on Day One" and that she is best poised to fight the Republican attack machine.

Sure, the Clintons have faced the Republican attack machine, and they did such a good job that it resulted in a Constitutional crisis. The scorched earth battle between the Clintons and the GOP over the Clinton's lies about sex, dubious financing and other misdeeds nearly brought down the government and terribly damaged the Democratic Party. Were the Republicans nasty, dirty and all manner of evil? Sure. But it took the Clinton spin and lie machine to spiral the country, the party and the presidency downward into impeachment.

Now the Clinton campaign shouts about "Nafta-Gate," pointing to a supposed conversation between a chief Obama economic advisor and Canadian officials, to assure the Canadians that Obama's opposition to NAFTA was political posturing. The media made a big deal about it. But it was Bill Clinton actually passed the legislation at stake (along with the disaster we know as welfare reform, and deregulation of banking that contributed to the current mortgage meltdown). The Obama campaign should reveal what happened with the Canadians. But it will likely pale in comparison to Clintonian back-room escapades during their tenure.

Senator Clinton has also raised the Rezko land deal. At worst it looks as if Obama bought a portion of a vacant lot next door to his home from a dubious character, so he could have a bigger backyard for his kids. Does it really compare with the Whitewater scandal? The phony "Nafta-Gate" and "Rezko-Gate" don't come anywhere close to Monica Gate, Trooper Gate, Whitewater and the persistent trail of sleaze that follows the Clintons.

Senator Clinton knows how to come at the Republican attack machine, but she's also the one who gives it all the fuel it needs to rev up.


As for experience and being poised to fight for Americans, well Hillary Clinton was given one major policy task as first lady, health care reform. She was so effective at "fighting" for it that it went down in defeat and the Democrats lost the Congress as a result.

Legislation is not passed by fighting. Health Care reform will only be achieved through bringing Democrats, and some Republicans, together.

Clinton's claim of experience and readiness is a mirage. Senator Clinton has no true national security experience. Her vote on the Iraq war was cynical, at best. Embattled during the impeachment scandal, the Clinton administration failed to respond decisively to the threat posed by Osama Bin Laden. Bill Clinton's unwillingness to take out bin Laden, fearing it would create a "wag the dog" scenario in the midst of impeachment, showed a disastrous lack of judgment. McCain will hammer home these weaknesses at every opportunity. And the fight will be messy.

So since Senator Barack Obama won't say it, I will: The Clintons are reckless, back-alley fighters who are willing to destroy the Democratic Party, the country and the institution of the presidency if it will benefit them. Yes, they are "fighters," but not for you or me. They fight hardest and dirtiest on behalf of themselves, and this campaign has proved it. Over the past week Senator Clinton has reminded us how dirty she can play to stay alive. But is that ultimately good for the Democratic Party? Democrats need to exorcise their Clinton demons and do it fast for the sake of the party and the country. Superdelegates and especially Al Gore, can you hear me?

Mark Sawyer is an associate professor of political science and African American studies at UCLA and director of the UCLA Center for the Study of Race, Ethnicity and Politics.

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LeninFlux wrote:
Funny how, up until the election, whenever something about Bill Clinton was brought up by Republicans it was swiftly dismissed as the usual right-wing nonsense/conspiracy.


Riiiiight...and how many times have I heard my Democrat friends pine for the good ol' Clinton days the last 7 years?
Like I said, they're not the most loyal bunch.


C'mon, man in black ~ just because there are two predominant parties doesn't mean that support is uninhibited. I personally, as a liberal, have failed to see why Bill Clinton's tenure as president is so well revered. Plenty of lefties recognize that Bill let two major terrorist attacks occur sans retaliation, lost the Congress to the Republicans, passed NAFTA which cost thousands of high-paying blue collar jobs, lied under oath and subsequently got impeached, endured a campaign contribution scandal with Chinese interests, takes credit for a robust economy although he had NOTHING to do with the dot coom boom and a host of other niceties. Many people vote for the person, not the party.

Nonetheless, this is about Hillary and I throughly enjoyed punkdavid's post and would like to add a few things to it.

Hillary has fancied herself the steward of the economy and promised to create 5 million jobs in ten years as president. Tim Russert hammered her on this during one of the debates and her answer, in typical Clintonesque fashion, placed the blame on somebody else when her promises proved empty. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h5bVPg6Mvw She has tried to distance herself from NAFTA although she lays claim to all the positive agendas pushed during Bill's presidency while distancing herself from the negatives. Concerning NAFTA, she purported its passage to be positive legislation for her state of New York. I guess what's good for one state can be bad for another ~ regardless, she can't lay claim to both after how she carried her supposed opinions in Ohio and Texas. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvkkR2Rdw7s Although she's pounding Obama by misconstruing an aide's statements, she and her campaign could very well be at the bottom of this issue, as per Canada's version of the AP. http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/usa/2008/03 ... agate.html
It should also be noted that Canadian members of parliament stated that the right wing of their government was sticking its nose in American business in an effort to slight Senator Obama. http://youtube.com/watch?v=5gV0v5zFRws

Obama's Rezko situation pales in comparison to Hillary's relationship with Peter Paul and the forthcoming trial for which she at one time was listed as a co-defendant. Her Senate campaign in 2000 received major contributions from Paul, a former Miami lawyer who was indicted on various charges.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_F._Paul / http://www.peterfpaul.com At one time Hillary apparently denied even knowing Peter Paul, but nevertheless... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw

Another to-do involving the Clintons is the Barrett Report, an investigation led by independent counsel David Barrett into allegations concerning Clinton's HUD secretary, Henry Cisneros. The investigation eventually led to concerns that the Clintons had utilized the IRS to target political enemies; at the time of the IRS audits of these folks (Paula Jones, Gennifler Flowers), Hillary's college friend, Margaret Milner Richardson, headed the IRS. http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/ ... 3904.shtml

This could easily turn into a marathon post. As a confessed and charismatic Obama supporter, I deeply appreciate his efforts to establish a new kind of politics that finds candidates' victories based on building their own cases rather than tearing down the reputations of their opponents. Hillary, so fond of having her cake and eating it too, cites Obama's questioning of her and the contrasts he draws as attacks then has the stones to state that she and McCain deliver experience whereas Barack delivers only speeches. Self-serving to say the least... At any costs she and her minions have the will to rip their party in two and slander Obama with attacks he could very well face against the Republicans. Obama's campaign needs to take the gloves off and hit back. HARD.

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Yeah, well what about Tony Rezko, huh?


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/ ... 356/470517

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"You reap what you sow."

The vetting of the Clinton's is just beginning. This was a risky strategy by the Clinton's in the first place, because the boomerang effect will expose much more of their shenanigans to the American people.

Hey, but they wanted this vetting process right?

The MSM needs to start reporting truthfully about Rezko's influence. His network of corrupt associates touched many politicians and operatives, including the Clinton's and their supporters.

http://www.margieburns.com/...

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Since the name of Chicago defendant Antoin ‘Tony’ Rezko has come up in national debate, it seems fair to look at donations from other defendants in Chicago’s "Operation Board Games."

Of the other five defendants, three have donated to the Clintons or to Clinton supporters, three have donated mostly to Republicans, and at least two have donated to Obama’s political opponents. None have donated to Obama.

Rezko’s trial is scheduled to begin March 3. The legal cases comprise several indictments of Chicago political and business figures on multiple counts of fraud, extortion and kickbacks. Rezko’s co-defendants include Chicago businessman Stuart Levine; construction executive and Chicago Medical School trustee Jacob Kiferbaum, who is cooperating with the investigation, and Bear Stearns executive P. Nicholas Hurtgen; and attorneys Joseph Cari and Steven Loren, doing business for the Teachers’ Retirement System. Mr. Loren has not been a significant donor.


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That Rezko donated over the years like a political junkie, and may have been one, has already been written about by Buzzflash. Rezko himself gave mostly to Dems, with the largest amts going to central committees, other donations to national figures incl GWBush ($4000), and frequent contributions over the years to IL politicians incl Rod Blagojevich, Luis Gutierrez, and former senators Carol Moseley-Braun and Peter Fitzgerald as well as the donations to Barack Obama that Hillary Clinton pointed out.

Predictably, the Chicago Sun-Times reports that the national co-chair of Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaign, Los Angeles mayor Antonio Villaraigo, also got Rezko donations.

Here is the rundown on his fellow defendants, from FEC data via http://www.opensecrets.org, in descending order by amounts donated:

* Stuart Levine: 210 donations for federal candidates, totaling $255,350, mostly to Republicans. Biggest contributions to Illinois Republican Party and to National PAC. One $5000 donation to the Illinois Democratic Party. Most individual donations to GOP candidates from GWBush on down, except for a few $2000 donations to Joe Lieberman, Mark Green of NY, who now appears frequently on MSNBC as a Clinton supporter, and Illinois State Comptroller Daniel W. Hynes, whose father, Thomas C. Hynes, was formerly a Cook County Assessor. Dan Hynes was among Barack Obama’s primary opponents in the Illinois U.S. Senate race in 2003. Levine donated $1000 to Bill Clinton in 1995. Levine has not donated to Obama.

* Joseph Cari, Jr: pulled out his checkbook 137 times from 1993 on, giving $193,836 under Joseph and $8958 under Joe to candidates for federal office, mostly to Dems. Further donations from family members incl $1000 to Bill Clinton in 1995. Biggest Cari donations went to the DNC and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. Individual donations, usually $1000 apiece, to Dem candidates across the country incl the natl figures—Gore, Kerry, Kennedys—and others incl Robert Torricelli in NJ, Chuck Robb in VA, and even the late Paul Wellstone in MN ($250). Cari donated $2000 to Bill Clinton in 1995, another $1000 to Clinton campaign manager David Wilhelm, $500 and $1000 to Hillary Clinton in 2000 and 2003, and donated twice to HILLPAC in 2002. The Hillary Clinton campaign has apparently returned the $1000 but not the other donations. Cari also donated several times to Southern Wine & Spirits, a PAC donating to both major parties which has also donated to both Clintons. Cari has also donated to several Illinois Democratic candidates including Gov. Blagojevich and former Congressman Dan Rostenkowski. No contribution to Obama individually is listed, but the Obama campaign has returned $1439 from apportioned committee contributions.

* P. Nicholas Hurtgen, former Bear Stearns manager in Chicago: 48 federal contributions from Hurtgen and his wife in recent years, totaling $47,787, almost entirely to GOP candidates--$5000+ to the Republican National Committee, $4000 to GWBush, most of the rest to other Republicans. However, the Hurtgens have also donated $2000 to Rahm Emanuel and $7000 to Mark Green of NY, a Clinton supporter.


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Objection, speculation.


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So, in regards to Hillary's foreign policy experience...

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trai ... mpets.html

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Hold the Crumpets

By Peter Baker
DUBUQUE, Iowa -- It ain't no tea party being first lady. At least that's what Hillary Rodham Clinton's telling audiences.

A day after Sen. Barack Obama dismissed her foreign policy experience as little more than sipping tea with potentates, Clinton fired back by portraying herself as a virtual secretary of state during her husband's administration.

To listen to her tell it, she brought peace to Northern Ireland ("I went to Northern Ireland more than my husband did"), parachuted into the hottest of the world's hotspots ("If it's too dangerous, too small and too poor, send the first lady") and improved U.S. ties with the other countries ("I was part of the diplomatic team that conveyed America's values across the world").

She said she saved Kosovar refugees by persuading Macedonia to reopen its border. And in a direct jab back at Obama, she recalled visiting Bosnia on a plane that made a tight corkscrew landing to avoid potential attacks. "Somebody said there might be sniper fire," she said, adding tartly, "I don't remember anyone offering me tea on the tarmac."

Her remarks responded to Obama's comment Friday that his experience overseas was more relevant than hers. "It's that experience, that understanding, not just of what world leaders I went and talked to in the ambassador's house, who I had tea with, but understanding the lives of people like my grandmother, who lives in a tiny village in Africa," he said.

Speaking of sniper fire.

Posted at 10:23 PM ET on Dec 29, 2007



So how about that 1996 trip to Bosnia? That dangerous trip that Hillary went on with Sheryl Crow, Sinbad, and her 16 year-old daughter?

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UPDATED: SINBAD SPEAKS!!!
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2 ... _clin.html

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Sinbad Unloads on Hillary Clinton

Finally, the Barack Obama campaign has found a big gun to help shoot down Hillary Rodham Clinton's self-proclaimed foreign policy experience. And he may be the wackiest gun of all: Sinbad, the actor, who has come out from under a rock to defend Obama in the war over foreign policy credentials.

Sinbad, along with singer Sheryl Crow, was on that 1996 trip to Bosnia that Clinton has described as a harrowing international experience that makes her tested and ready to answer a 3 a.m. phone call at the White House on day one, a claim for which she's taking much grief on the campaign trail.

Harrowing? Not that Sinbad recalls. He just remembers it being a USO tour to buck up the troops amid a much worse situation than he had imagined between the Bosnians and Serbs.

In an interview with the Sleuth Monday, he said the "scariest" part of the trip was wondering where he'd eat next. "I think the only 'red-phone' moment was: 'Do we eat here or at the next place.'"

Clinton, during a late December campaign appearance in Iowa, described a hair-raising corkscrew landing in war-torn Bosnia, a trip she took with her then-teenage daughter, Chelsea. "They said there might be sniper fire," Clinton said.

Threat of bullets? Sinbad doesn't remember that, either.

"I never felt that I was in a dangerous position. I never felt being in a sense of peril, or 'Oh, God, I hope I'm going to be OK when I get out of this helicopter or when I get out of his tank.'"

In her Iowa stump speech, Clinton also said, "We used to say in the White House that if a place is too dangerous, too small or too poor, send the First Lady."

Say what? As Sinbad put it: "What kind of president would say, 'Hey, man, I can't go 'cause I might get shot so I'm going to send my wife...oh, and take a guitar player and a comedian with you.'"


As you may have guessed by now, Sinbad isn't supporting Clinton for president. He's an Obama guy. All because of Clinton.

"What got me about Hillary was her attitude of entitlement, like he messed up her plan, like he had no reason to be there," Sinbad said. "I got angry. I actually got angry! I said, 'I will be for Obama like never before.'"


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