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 Post subject: Gun Control
PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:31 pm 
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You'd think there'd already be a thread on this, but I couldn't find one.

Anyway,the Charlton Heston business made me think we could use a general thread on this. Personally I think gun control is a simplistic, lazy approach to a complicated problem.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
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bart d. wrote:
You'd think there'd already be a thread on this, but I couldn't find one.

Anyway,the Charlton Heston business made me think we could use a general thread on this. Personally I think gun control is a simplistic, lazy approach to a complicated problem.


Welcome to every liberal solution. People vote Democrat because they're simplistic and lazy. Not because they solve tangible, complex problems.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
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bart d. wrote:
I think gun control is a simplistic, lazy approach to a complicated problem.

why?

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
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LittleWing wrote:
bart d. wrote:
You'd think there'd already be a thread on this, but I couldn't find one.

Anyway,the Charlton Heston business made me think we could use a general thread on this. Personally I think gun control is a simplistic, lazy approach to a complicated problem.


Welcome to every liberal solution. People vote Democrat because they're simplistic and lazy. Not because they solve tangible, complex problems.

Liberal solutions like the War on Drugs? :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
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bart d. wrote:
You'd think there'd already be a thread on this, but I couldn't find one.


Here ya go:

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=48094

bart d. wrote:
Anyway,the Charlton Heston business made me think we could use a general thread on this. Personally I think gun control is a simplistic, lazy approach to a complicated problem.


You're pretty much correct. I don't see the proliferation of guns changing any time soon until people start to question how safe they really are with a gun.


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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
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Green Habit wrote:
bart d. wrote:
You'd think there'd already be a thread on this, but I couldn't find one.


Here ya go:

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=48094

:x Guns. I searched "gun" "gun control" "firearm" and "gun violence." Damn you mowbs.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
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bart d. wrote:
LittleWing wrote:
bart d. wrote:
You'd think there'd already be a thread on this, but I couldn't find one.

Anyway,the Charlton Heston business made me think we could use a general thread on this. Personally I think gun control is a simplistic, lazy approach to a complicated problem.


Welcome to every liberal solution. People vote Democrat because they're simplistic and lazy. Not because they solve tangible, complex problems.

Liberal solutions like the War on Drugs? :wink:


The War on Drugs is hardly simple. And you don't see people like me out there saying, "OH, ALL WE NEED IS MORE MONEY AND THE DRUGS WILL BE GONE!"

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
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I don't know about that. I'm sure you'd like more cops on the streets.

I don't know how I feel about guns anymore. It is very complex.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
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Cops are largely a local issue. I am satisfied with the size of my local police force and feel adequetely protected. Perhaps they should be more pro-active, but most of the cops here today are the drug addicts I went to high school with...

So far as larger forces like the ATF, FBI, NIS, ICE, and other national forces, I don't think we need more of them. I would say that they too need to be more pro-active.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
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The only realisitic way to *mostly* get rid of citizen's guns is to have an authoritarian government running a police state. And even then, there would still be guns, and they would become even more valuable than ever. The "best" gun control could ever do is to take away the weapons of honest, law abiding citizens, allowing the bad guys to be the only ones armed. But even that is far-fetched.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
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Like everything, education is the key. Who on this board is afraid around guns?

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
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Orpheus wrote:
Who on this board is afraid around guns?

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
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Why?

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
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i've shot guns before. when i was young i used to visit my grandparents in pennsylvania and my grandpa would let me shoot the .22 at the stop sign he'd hung on a tree all day long. i wouldn't say i'm necessarily scared when i'm holding a gun, though you'd never see me take the aim away from the ground. definitely just nervous if i'm around people. i'm more scared when someone else is handling a gun around me and other people. i realize they're OK when handled with care and knowledge, but i still have never felt comfortable around guns.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
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I own two guns and know how to handle them. Guns are not toys and you should be respectful of something that can take your life in an instant. I'm a proponent of conceal carry and an advocate for all gun owners to be required to go through gun safety classes. Ultimately It is my right as an American citizen to own a gun, and in the event of an emergency I do not trust the police to be there to protect me or my family exactly when we need it.


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The only way to reduce or eliminate gun crimes in the United States is to put a stop to multiculturalism.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
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The only way to reduce or eliminate gun crimes in the United States is to put a stop to multiculturalism.

I can't tell if this is snark.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
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I own two guns and know how to handle them. Guns are not toys and you should be respectful of something that can take your life in an instant. I'm a proponent of conceal carry and an advocate for all gun owners to be required to go through gun safety classes. Ultimately It is my right as an American citizen to own a gun, and in the event of an emergency I do not trust the police to be there to protect me or my family exactly when we need it.

That's pretty much where I am. I don't have a big problem with conceal carry laws, so long as they're coupled with strict tests for permitting. Hell, in Arizona you can walk around with a pistol on your hip in most public places, I see it all teh time.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
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I think pistol on a hip is actually totally legal, since it's not concealed. As long as you're in certain areas, that is.

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