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France Gall "Poupée de Cire Poupée de Son" (a Gainsbourg tune)
what blows me away in this is the BAND behind her. well, the orchestra :shock:

Lee Hazlewood & Nancy Sinatra "Jackson"
i really like this video - most of LH's stuff is great. he was such a visionary when it comes to production.

Santo And Johnny "Sleepwalk". i could never get tired of this one.

King Crimson "Lark's Tongues In Aspic Part One". this is not as good a version as the one on the album but, damn, LOOK AT THIS MAD PERCUSSIONIST. his name is Jamie Muir. incredible.

Boris Vian "Le Déserteur". i don't know if many of you english speaking people know about this awesome writer...anyway, in his short life he also managed to be a singer/songwriter, a jazz trumpetist, an engineer...this song was banned when it first came out - and there are subtitles :)

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Masta, that's some cool stuff that you posted.

I LOVE Laura Nyro. One of my favorite songwriters of the 60s/70s. And I love Blood, Sweat and Tears version of AND WHEN I DIE:



This one is a compromise. I love Leonard Cohen's BIRD ON A WIRE. My favorite version is k.d. lang's.



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i love the first song. that's girl is love. Is there an album of stuff like that. I want more.

LH - was pretty good but didn't get me excited in anyway. it was good though.

Sleepwalk - one of my favorites. (i actually used their somewhere over the rainbow in the video in my sig.)

the king crimson song was cool but 2 minutes in i got bored.

the last song was pretty good. reminds me of jacques brel

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okay downloading lots of france gall :o

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okay downloading lots of france gall :o

well...
she's recorded many great songs but they don't always sound like this. gainsbourg really stamped her for a while with Poupée de Cire... and Les Sucettes as a very naive young girl. she moved on but the trend of huge orchestras backing a pop singer shifted to a younger generation of arrangers that embraced the hippy/psychedelic musical stereotypes more than the precision and the particular swing of early/mid sixties stuff. gainsbourg kept on pushing this approach though but France Gall changed musical styles a lot. the first i heard of her was on the radio in the 80s. she had a big comeback with "Ella". anyway, she has a nice voice :)

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mastaflatch wrote:
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okay downloading lots of france gall :o

well...
she's recorded many great songs but they don't always sound like this. gainsbourg really stamped her for a while with Poupée de Cire... and Les Sucettes as a very naive young girl. she moved on but the trend of huge orchestras backing a pop singer shifted to a younger generation of arrangers that embraced the hippy/psychedelic musical stereotypes more than the precision and the particular swing of early/mid sixties stuff. gainsbourg kept on pushing this approach though but France Gall changed musical styles a lot. the first i heard of her was on the radio in the 80s. she had a big comeback with "Ella". anyway, she has a nice voice :)


i'm loving this stuff. i've always seen stuff like this in movies (french new wave often had appearances of this kind of music) i now have 5 albums of her. i love her voice, it sounds so cute for lack of a better word. its just instantly charming for me. i got the two albums you mentioned also baby bop, bebe requin, laisse tomber les filles. i'm going to listen to this while i go to sleep tonight :luv:

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you can't talk about France Gall and not say a word about Michel Berger, masta :shake: ;)
do you know/like Michel Polnareff or Jacques Dutronc ?

by the way, the last lines of "Le déserteur" were originally "warn your police / that I will have a gun / and that I can shoot", but they had to be changed into "that I won't have no gun / and that they can shoot"

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Boris Vian "Le Déserteur". i don't know if many of you english speaking people know about this awesome writer...anyway, in his short life he also managed to be a singer/songwriter, a jazz trumpetist, an engineer...this song was banned when it first came out - and there are subtitles :)

Well Done Masta !

I'm a huge fan of Vian and so is my wife (she made her master degree memoire on his short stories compilation "les fourmis" (the ants)). A really amazing character, bigger than life, he was the firts to translate Chandler's novels in France (along with his first wife).
I strongly recommend all of you that can read french to look for his novels and short stories. You got to start with "l'ecume des jours" (Froth of the daydream i think in english) and "the ants".
As for music which is the subject here, all i listened to in jazz was started by reading the chronicles he wrote in "Jazz Hot", the first french jazz magazine.

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you can't talk about France Gall and not say a word about Michel Berger, masta :shake: ;)
do you know/like Michel Polnareff or Jacques Dutronc ?

i'm not aware of her other collaborations. all i know is that michel berger (r.i.p.) is responsible for the music to starmania. and i can't stand it - mostly because of the lyrics though. what france gall songs did he wrote/arranged?
i really like like dutronc - badass stuff along with nino ferrer's.
can you tell me more about polarneff?
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by the way, the last lines of "Le déserteur" were originally "warn your police / that I will have a gun / and that I can shoot", but they had to be changed into "that I won't have no gun / and that they can shoot"

i did not know that! was it the reason it was censored in the first place? is there a recorded version with these lyrics?

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Walter Sobchak wrote:
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Boris Vian "Le Déserteur". i don't know if many of you english speaking people know about this awesome writer...anyway, in his short life he also managed to be a singer/songwriter, a jazz trumpetist, an engineer...this song was banned when it first came out - and there are subtitles :)

Well Done Masta !

I'm a huge fan of Vian and so is my wife (she made her master degree memoire on his short stories compilation "les fourmis" (the ants)). A really amazing character, bigger than life, he was the firts to translate Chandler's novels in France (along with his first wife).
I strongly recommend all of you that can read french to look for his novels and short stories. You got to start with "l'ecume des jours" (Froth of the daydream i think in english) and "the ants".
As for music which is the subject here, all i listened to in jazz was started by reading the chronicles he wrote in "Jazz Hot", the first french jazz magazine.

:thumbsup:
i haven't read Les Fourmis yet. he's an incredible writer.

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mastaflatch wrote:
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by the way, the last lines of "Le déserteur" were originally "warn your police / that I will have a gun / and that I can shoot", but they had to be changed into "that I won't have no gun / and that they can shoot"

i did not know that! was it the reason it was censored in the first place? is there a recorded version with these lyrics?

In fact, When Vian wrote the song, he came with the "I have a gun" part but I dont remember who was in the studio with him made the point the whole song was about refusing war and violence so it didn't fit the mood of the song.
It was censored on French radio mainly because it was 1954 and we were getting beaten out of VietNam and this was also the beginning of the Algeria War. Vian made a tour and there was a lot of trouble because of army veterans interfering with the show, booing him. But he made it a point to complete the tour but was totally exhausted at the end (and knowing his heart problems, that's quite an amazing thing)

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Walter Sobchak wrote:
mastaflatch wrote:
BadMusic wrote:
by the way, the last lines of "Le déserteur" were originally "warn your police / that I will have a gun / and that I can shoot", but they had to be changed into "that I won't have no gun / and that they can shoot"

i did not know that! was it the reason it was censored in the first place? is there a recorded version with these lyrics?

In fact, When Vian wrote the song, he came with the "I have a gun" part but I dont remember who was in the studio with him made the point the whole song was about refusing war and violence so it didn't fit the mood of the song.
It was censored on French radio mainly because it was 1954 and we were getting beaten out of VietNam and this was also the beginning of the Algeria War. Vian made a tour and there was a lot of trouble because of army veterans interfering with the show, booing him. But he made it a point to complete the tour but was totally exhausted at the end (and knowing his heart problems, that's quite an amazing thing)

This story is so interesting that I'm running out to buy L’Écume des jours this afternoon. I've heard that the English translations don't begin to capture his surrealist sense of humor.


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japanese pop seems to be the contemporary continuation of this french music.

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Wow, these guys are totally ripping off Stereolab.

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Bebe Requin is a sick album so far

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windedsailor wrote:
japanese pop seems to be the contemporary continuation of this french music.

very clever observation - it totally makes sense.

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mastaflatch wrote:
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japanese pop seems to be the contemporary continuation of this french music.

very clever observation - it totally makes sense.


i hope this isn't sarcastic :(

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mastaflatch wrote:
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japanese pop seems to be the contemporary continuation of this french music.

very clever observation - it totally makes sense.


i hope this isn't sarcastic :(

no sarcasms from me. sorry if it sounded like that.

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that being said, japanese language is a relative turn off for me. maybe i'm less open-minded than i thought...

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