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YANGON, Myanmar (CNN) -- The death toll from the Myanmar cyclone is more than 10,000 people, Myanmar's Foreign Ministry office said.

Diplomats were summoned to a government briefing Monday as the reclusive southeast Asian country's ruling military junta issued a rare appeal for international assistance in the face of an escalating humanitarian crisis.

A state of emergency was declared across much of the country following the 10-hour storm that left swathes of destruction in its wake.

The staggering death toll would make the cyclone the deadliest natural disaster to hit Myanmar in recent history, according to figures compiled by a United Nations-funded disaster database.

The government of neighboring Thailand said Myanmar's leaders had already requested food, medical supplies and construction equipment, AP reported. The first plane-load of supplies was due to arrive Tuesday, a Thai spokesman said.

United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said in a statement he was "deeply saddened by the loss of life and the destruction suffered by the people of Myanmar" and pledged to mobilize international aid and assistance as needed.

A United Nations Disaster Assessment and Coordination team is on stand-by to assist the government in responding to humanitarian needs if required, the statement said.

Scenes of the destruction showed extensive flooding, boats on their sides in Yangon harbor, roofs ripped off buildings, uprooted trees and downed power lines after cyclone Nargis battered the Irrawaddy delta with 150 mile (241 km) an hour winds throughout Friday night and Saturday morning, dumping 20 inches of rain. VideoWatch how the cyclone crippled Yangon »

"After about noon, the sky cleared and everybody came out and were just stunned," said Shari Villarosa, U.S. Charge D' Affaires in Yangon. "People on my compound who had been there for about 15 years say they had not seen anything like this here, ever."

Residents of Yangon trudged through knee-deep swirling brown waters Monday as the delta city remained mostly without electricity and phone connections. VideoWatch the cyclone hammer Yangon »

The U.S. Embassy in Myanmar has issued a "disaster declaration" in the country and authorized the release of $250,000 for cyclone relief efforts, Deputy State Department spokesman Tom Casey said Monday.

A disaster relief team is standing by, Casey said, but the Myanmar government had not given permission for the team to enter the country.

Hakan Tongkul, with the United Nation's World Food Programme, said residents in Yangon needed urgent assistance. "This has pushed people to the edge. All that they have has been blown away."

Michael Annear, regional disaster manger for the Red Cross, said the group was helping provide safe drinking water.

Relief agencies met at the United Nations' Bangkok headquarters Monday to coordinate their response to the disaster. The International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies said it had released 200,000 Swiss Francs (about $190,000) to help with the aftermath.

A state of emergency was declared Sunday across five regions: the city of Yangon, Irrawaddy, Pegu and the states of Karen and Mon. All flights to Yangon, the former capital, were canceled.

"Most Burmese with whom we've been in touch report they lost their roofs, although so far everyone we have been able to contact reports that they and their families are safe," said a Yangon-based diplomat who requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

Most telephone and cell phone service was down in Yangon, a city of about 6.5 million people, according to a CNN correspondent there

Earlier Monday, an editor for an independent Myanmar newspaper based in Thailand told CNN that people in the Southeast Asian nation were angry over the response to the disaster by the ruling military junta.

"People are very angry with the slow response coming from the military government," said Aung Zaw of Irrawaddy news magazine.VideoListen to Irrawaddy journalist discuss the situation in Myanmar »

Khin Maung Win, a spokesman for the Democratic Voice of Burma -- a broadcast media group run by opposition expatriates -- said the whole of the delta region had been affected and entire villages had disappeared.

Pictures from inside the country showed a cyclone-ravaged region with tin huts crushed under trees. Bicyclists navigated around large branches that littered the deserted roads.

A man with his pant legs rolled up waded through knee-deep water and strained to clear massive limbs that were blocking the entrance to a house.

"The cleanup is beginning, but this will take a long time," the diplomat said. "The damage around town is intense." PhotoSee photos of the destruction »

"Fuel is not easily available. International emergency assistance would be needed within seven days. There is no food for eating," Win said.

Food prices -- already rising steeply -- climbed further. Long lines could be seen at gas stations in Yangon. Many of the stations were operating on generators. At one gas station more than 100 buses lined up to refill.

Despite widespread damage, Myanmar's junta plans to proceed with a referendum on the country's constitution on May 10 -- the fourth step of a "seven-step road map to democracy" -- according to state-run media reports. Learn more about Myanmar »

A critic of Myanmar's government said the referendum most be postponed.

"They would be very stupid to go ahead with it," said Khin Maung Win with Democratic Voice of Burma, a broadcast media group run by opposition expatriates. "Thousands of people are dying or missing. It is very difficult to get around or get food and water. How can people vote?"

Myanmar, formerly called Burma, last held multi-party elections in 1990, when Aung San Suu Kyi's National League for Democracy handily won. The military junta ignored the results. Suu Kyi, who is currently under house arrest, has been in detention without trial for more than 12 of the past 18 years.


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 Post subject: Re: Cyclone in Myanmar: death toll 'more than 10,000'
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the death toll climbed pretty fast. i thought it was 1,000 yesterday, or something like that.

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I saw something about in the paper, but didn't realize the death toll was that high. Will their government embarass ours by providing more timely and effective aid? I certainly hope so.


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:| It always takes us a couple of extra days to care about mass death in other countries.

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simple schoolboy wrote:
I saw something about in the paper, but didn't realize the death toll was that high. Will their government embarass ours by providing more timely and effective aid? I certainly hope so.


Why would that be embarrassing? You probably forgot it was southerners that were hit by Katrina, not real people like you and sometimes me.

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broken iris wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
I saw something about in the paper, but didn't realize the death toll was that high. Will their government embarass ours by providing more timely and effective aid? I certainly hope so.


Why would that be embarrassing? You probably forgot it was THE BLACKS** that were hit by Katrina, not real people like you and sometimes me.

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seriously though, this is awful :(

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 Post subject: Re: Cyclone in Myanmar: death toll 'more than 10,000'
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:| It always takes us a couple of extra days to care about mass death in other countries.

It's a bit harder when they don't have journalistic freedom there.

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fuck. i just read 15,000+ dead, 30,000+ missing


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The reports that I've heard coming out of Myanmar, my cousin and her family live there, are devastating. The government appears to have very little concern for the welfare of its citizens. From the New York Times:

Officials said they would open the doors of their closed and tightly controlled nation to international relief groups. So far, most foreigners and all foreign journalists have been barred from entering the country.

They also said the referendum would proceed. “It’s only a few days left before the coming referendum and people are eager to cast their vote,” an official statement said Monday.

But witnesses and residents said the military had been slow to respond to the devastation of the cyclone, and some suggested that the government’s performance could affect the vote.


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Jens Orback, a former minister for integration and democracy in Sweden, was in Yangon when the cyclone hit.

“Trees that were standing there hundreds of years fell easily,” he said, “and things from roofs fell down and the electricity went down and there were only flashlights. In the first day, you couldn’t go anywhere by car. No telephones worked. The Internet was out, and there was a lack of information.

“What struck us also,” he continued, “was that in the first daylight, nobody from the police, military or firemen was out working with the devastation, but people privately were there with knives and machetes and hand saws.”


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broken iris wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
I saw something about in the paper, but didn't realize the death toll was that high. Will their government embarass ours by providing more timely and effective aid? I certainly hope so.


Why would that be embarrassing? You probably forgot it was southerners that were hit by Katrina, not real people like you and sometimes me.


If that government provides more timely aid than ours, it would indeed be an embarrassment.

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It's amazing that you people actually think more blaim for Katrina lies in the hands of Bush, than Blanco and Nagin. Amazing how Alabamer and Mississippi faired so much better than Louisiana. Funny how the National Guard was already on the ground there in those states, but Blanco didn't authorize anything until well after the storm hit. But hey, it's cool to pass the blame onto Bush for Katrina.

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:| It always takes us a couple of extra days to care about mass death in other countries.

It's a bit harder when they don't have journalistic freedom there.


Actually, it helps a lot if we have videos of the event, specifically if it involves Western tourists in peril.

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Do you people realize that ordinary Burmese citizens are out there doing the bulk of the aid work? People who are themselves without food, shelter or water. The government is providing minimal assistance and hindering the efforts of foreign aid workers. And they are insisting that their pre-rigged elections are going to go forward.

The US, which released an immediate funding package of $250,000 (£127,000) to be channelled through the UN, said that Burmese authorities had refused permission for an American disaster assistance response team to enter.

Meanwhile, Burma's military junta has said a referendum on a new national constitution will go ahead on Saturday. People were "eagerly looking forward to voting", it said.

But some people are now wondering if this natural disaster could have serious political repercussions....


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7384041.stm


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It's amazing that you people actually think more blaim for Katrina lies in the hands of Bush, than Blanco and Nagin. Amazing how Alabamer and Mississippi faired so much better than Louisiana. Funny how the National Guard was already on the ground there in those states, but Blanco didn't authorize anything until well after the storm hit. But hey, it's cool to pass the blame onto Bush for Katrina.


All I'm saying is ... two days into cyclone, Bush asks leaders to let him come help, ... seven days into hurricane, Bush plays the guitar.

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It's amazing that you people actually think more blaim for Katrina lies in the hands of Bush, than Blanco and Nagin. Amazing how Alabamer and Mississippi faired so much better than Louisiana. Funny how the National Guard was already on the ground there in those states, but Blanco didn't authorize anything until well after the storm hit. But hey, it's cool to pass the blame onto Bush for Katrina.


All I'm saying is ... two days into cyclone, Bush asks leaders to let him come help, ... seven days into hurricane, Bush plays the guitar.

All I'm saying is that Mississippi and Alabama's sparsely populated coastal areas were affected, while most of the state of Louisiana, including the largest city on the gulf coast) were hit directly.

Trent Lott's beach house. :cry:

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It's amazing that you people actually think more blaim for Katrina lies in the hands of Bush, than Blanco and Nagin. Amazing how Alabamer and Mississippi faired so much better than Louisiana. Funny how the National Guard was already on the ground there in those states, but Blanco didn't authorize anything until well after the storm hit. But hey, it's cool to pass the blame onto Bush for Katrina.


All I'm saying is ... two days into cyclone, Bush asks leaders to let him come help, ... seven days into hurricane, Bush plays the guitar.

All I'm saying is that Mississippi and Alabama's sparsely populated coastal areas were affected, while most of the state of Louisiana, including the largest city on the gulf coast) were hit directly.

Trent Lott's beach house. :cry:


LOL!

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The destruction in Mississippi was worse along the Mississippi coast than in Louisiana. And A THIRD of the states entire population applied for FEMA aid. Now, I don't know how long Mississippi's coast line is, but 400,000 people live in that small area of coastline. And 90% of everything that was there was not only damaged, but no longer existed. Katrina was a hurricane the entire length of its track through Mississippi, and almost every county in the state was declared a disaster area. Only the boot of Louisiana was.

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The state government of Mississippi acted TWO DAYS EARLIER than that incompetent whore in Baton Rouge. They also acted DAYS earlier in getting the national guard and reserve units activated than that whore in Baton Rouge. It's funny, FEMA and the national guard can't move until governors authorize it. Funny how the response and preparation were so much different from Mississippi and Louisiana. Shocking. Yet, it's Bush's fault that Kathleen Blanco didn't authorize shit soon enough. It's Bush's fault that Blanco didn't do what the Mississippi government did. Yup.

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The United States Coast Guard began pre-positioning resources beyond the expected impact zone starting on August 26, and activated more than 400 reservists.[7] Aircrews from the Aviation Training Center, in Mobile, staged rescue aircraft from Texas to Florida.[8] All aircraft were returning back towards the Gulf of Mexico by the afternoon of August 29. Air crews, many of whom lost their homes during the hurricane, began a round-the-clock rescue effort in New Orleans, and along the Mississippi and Alabama coastlines.[9]

President George W. Bush declared a state of emergency in Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi two days before the hurricane made landfall


Preperation was the key at preventing disaster here. And that preperation lied solely in the hands of the governors of these states. Mississippi was ready, Blanco was not. Timely response to the disaster rested on timely response from the governors. Guess who did a better job!

Now, I won't be naive and say that Gulfport and Biloxi would be harder to evacuate than New Orleans. However, Blanco and Nagin dropped the ball big time. The people of New Orleans dropped the ball big time. And somehow that all turned into Bush's fault. When just one state over, things when far, far, far better. And not because it was less populated. But because they prepared for it properly. They did everything they needed to do. The leadership acted in a much more prudent, responsible, and timely manner.

But hey, ones a blue state. Ones red.

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But hey, ones a blue state. Ones red.


Er?

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