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 Post subject: Sino–Vietnamese War
PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 8:09 pm 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War

I came across this wandering through wikipedia. I don't know how historically important this is, but I find it terribly depressing that 26,000 Chinese died in three months in a (from my perspective) pointless border dispute. I don't know what the numbers on the Vietnamese side look like. Its also interesting to note how incredibly restricted the chinese were by their Maoist doctrine. At that time, according to wikipedia, they lacked any rank system within their military. It would seem that when communists fight communists, the less ideologically pure tend to win out.


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simple schoolboy wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War

I came across this wandering through wikipedia. I don't know how historically important this is, but I find it terribly depressing that 26,000 Chinese died in three months in a (from my perspective) pointless border dispute. I don't know what the numbers on the Vietnamese side look like. Its also interesting to note how incredibly restricted the chinese were by their Maoist doctrine. At that time, according to wikipedia, they lacked any rank system within their military. It would seem that when communists fight communists, the less ideologically pure tend to win out.


Even more LOL is the fact that Cambodians were "liberated" (loose meaning there) from the Khmer Rouge by the Vietnamese, their long time enemies next door. This of course, flies in the face of American Cold War policy - all commies were not the same.

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simple schoolboy wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War

I came across this wandering through wikipedia. I don't know how historically important this is, but I find it terribly depressing that 26,000 Chinese died in three months in a (from my perspective) pointless border dispute. I don't know what the numbers on the Vietnamese side look like. Its also interesting to note how incredibly restricted the chinese were by their Maoist doctrine. At that time, according to wikipedia, they lacked any rank system within their military. It would seem that when communists fight communists, the less ideologically pure tend to win out.


Even more LOL is the fact that Cambodians were "liberated" (loose meaning there) from the Khmer Rouge by the Vietnamese, their long time enemies next door. This of course, flies in the face of American Cold War policy - all commies were not the same.


Apparently after the Vietnamese controlling it for several hundred years, the Cambodians decided all of a sudden that they wanted the Mekong delta back and started making incursions into Vietnam and wiping out entire villages. It wasn't bad enough that they decimated their own population, they wanted to drag down the Vietnamese with them. Why is it that so many of the former French colonies are some of the most messed up countries?


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glorified_version wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War

I came across this wandering through wikipedia. I don't know how historically important this is, but I find it terribly depressing that 26,000 Chinese died in three months in a (from my perspective) pointless border dispute. I don't know what the numbers on the Vietnamese side look like. Its also interesting to note how incredibly restricted the chinese were by their Maoist doctrine. At that time, according to wikipedia, they lacked any rank system within their military. It would seem that when communists fight communists, the less ideologically pure tend to win out.


Even more LOL is the fact that Cambodians were "liberated" (loose meaning there) from the Khmer Rouge by the Vietnamese, their long time enemies next door. This of course, flies in the face of American Cold War policy - all commies were not the same.


Frankly, they look quite the same. All of them totalitarians seeking more power for the sake of power. Its like the 3 countries in 1984, they all the similar beliefs, that lead them to an endless war.

Or like the Richard Dawkins 2 episodes of South Park. :P

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simple schoolboy wrote:
glorified_version wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War

I came across this wandering through wikipedia. I don't know how historically important this is, but I find it terribly depressing that 26,000 Chinese died in three months in a (from my perspective) pointless border dispute. I don't know what the numbers on the Vietnamese side look like. Its also interesting to note how incredibly restricted the chinese were by their Maoist doctrine. At that time, according to wikipedia, they lacked any rank system within their military. It would seem that when communists fight communists, the less ideologically pure tend to win out.


Even more LOL is the fact that Cambodians were "liberated" (loose meaning there) from the Khmer Rouge by the Vietnamese, their long time enemies next door. This of course, flies in the face of American Cold War policy - all commies were not the same.


Apparently after the Vietnamese controlling it for several hundred years, the Cambodians decided all of a sudden that they wanted the Mekong delta back and started making incursions into Vietnam and wiping out entire villages. It wasn't bad enough that they decimated their own population, they wanted to drag down the Vietnamese with them. Why is it that so many of the former French colonies are some of the most messed up countries?


Apparently they didn't do a good enough job at subverting the natives :cop:

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simple schoolboy wrote:
glorified_version wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War

I came across this wandering through wikipedia. I don't know how historically important this is, but I find it terribly depressing that 26,000 Chinese died in three months in a (from my perspective) pointless border dispute. I don't know what the numbers on the Vietnamese side look like. Its also interesting to note how incredibly restricted the chinese were by their Maoist doctrine. At that time, according to wikipedia, they lacked any rank system within their military. It would seem that when communists fight communists, the less ideologically pure tend to win out.


Even more LOL is the fact that Cambodians were "liberated" (loose meaning there) from the Khmer Rouge by the Vietnamese, their long time enemies next door. This of course, flies in the face of American Cold War policy - all commies were not the same.


Apparently after the Vietnamese controlling it for several hundred years, the Cambodians decided all of a sudden that they wanted the Mekong delta back and started making incursions into Vietnam and wiping out entire villages. It wasn't bad enough that they decimated their own population, they wanted to drag down the Vietnamese with them. Why is it that so many of the former French colonies are some of the most messed up countries?


I find the dynamics over there interesting. The Khmer and Chinese Communists were enemies with the Vietnamese Communists, which made for a pretty interesting situation, especially as far as the US was concerned. It's interesting how the US bombing Cambodia over the Lon Nol regime's relative friendliness towards Vietnam helped Pol Pot and the Communist Khmers gain power, and it was those evil Communist Vietnamese who removed what might have been the world's most brutal regime ever from power. It seems "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" doesn't always hold true.

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