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Are you fucking kidding me? Fucking kill that worthless faggot ass motherfucker. Fuck life in prison, kill him slowly with a dull rusty knife live in the courtroom. And force him to suck a dick while he's dying. That's the only shit this prick deserves in his future.

This dude shouldn't have been allowed out after this shit. There's no way he should be allowed to walk freely now.

rape marathon

Jesus fucking christ. I would like to kill that man with my bare hands.

i remember when this story broke. one of the most disgusting, disturbing stories i've read, and i've read a lot.

this guy probably ties the father who locked his daughter in the basement and had children with her...

words cannot describe

Hopefully someone will get this fucker when he's in prison!

I used to get a kick out of threads like this while bashing the criminal who's OBVIOUSLY, obviously mentally insane.

But really cases like this are rare in the sense of the cruelty involved, yet at the same time fairly common throughout human history. Vikings, pirates, slavery. One occasional raped, tortured university student doesn't really mean shit, but let's use an example like this as a reason to rewrite the entire legal system, shall we?

Nobody with an internet connection should find this shocking in the slightest. I pity the responses here.

I agree. While we sit here and type about our daily lives, some people in this world are just as cruel as the man of this story. It's pure horror and terrible, but nothing new for this human race , unfortunately... Not only organized during all wars and by all kinds of regimes, but also individually.
It's important to avoid things like this before it gets out of hand like this. As someone said, this man should have not walked around freely in the first place.
This victim will never be the same again, but she's still alive and a witness so I guess she'll be able to warn people for the next one.

groetjes,
Mirella

I pity anyone who is so jaded that they aren't shocked by this....I guess if this was your sister or your mother you could confort her by telling her pirates used to do the same thing to people so she isn't that special....

I think you misunderstand what I (we?) mean. Of course it's so horrible it could make you puke if you really think about it. *but* it's happening all around. Maybe people are jaded if they don't realize that. I wouldn't even need my mother (RIP) or sister as examples. In cases like this I always imagine what it could be like for myself to be the victim

groetjes,
Mirella

Well, for once I agree with g_v about something. It's depressing, but this crap happens all the time. It's disgusting, but it shouldn't surprise anyone. We all know there are sick minds out there. The problem is if you got all worked up about each and every despicable act that happens, you won't have any time left to get anything done. It's say it's more pragmatic than jaded.

And Jammer, seriously, that original post was a little uncalled for. I know you go out of your way to post the most disturbing stuff possible, but at least word it a little better.

The classic "WHAT IF THIS WAS YOUR SISTER?" comment? Honestly though, what are we supposed to do? A guy just stabbed 7 people in Tokyo for no apparent reason. Suffering is a daily part of lives for many people on earth. I shouldn't have to say how horrible the crime here was, but we don't need to go about forming a lynch mob. People who commit acts like this are troubled, were probably severely abused or neglected as children, or are simply anomalies in the entire system.

Foucault wrote all sorts of shit about topics like this. Taking the guy out into the street and shooting him in the fucking head in front of a crowd sounds fantastic, but still wouldn't stop other people from doing it.

I'm saying that it is ok to be shocked and upset by a story like this regardless of whether evil shit happens everyday....you aren't a naive person if you read this article and feel sick to your stomach....it doesn't matter if this women was the 10000th person that day that went through the hell she did....it's still fucked up....if you want to rail against the first posters desire to kill this guy or capital punishment or whatever fine, but I hope I always feel shocked when I read stuff like this...

torture like this happens a bunch in iraq (or at least happened during our bombing campaign) and it's caused by america. that is indisputable. and it happens in many places of the world, too. but there's reasons that keep it from turning into stories like this: it's "collateral damage," it's done from afar, and/or we americans really, as a whole, seemingly care less about foreigners.

i will say, though, that in two years of scouring the web for the most outrageous news stories, this one stuck out. of course, what i said above takes weight. but to randomly kill a few people during a psychotic rage is a bit different than torturing someone for nearly a full day. this is jessica lunsford-type stuff.

If he got more hugs he wouldnt have done this? If his little league didnt keep score?

At some point the accountability has to be put on the person committing the crime, not their parents, or society. This was a singular man committing a heinous crime on a singular woman.... society or a perverted gym teacher did not make him do what he did.

Besides, mentally disturbed in this case is not seperate from the criminality of the event..as he seemed obsessed with not getting caught, so he was totally aware of what he was doing, and that it was wrong... so i fail to see how being "troubled" is any sort of excuse for what he did.

Eh, I don't even know where to get started with this one.

GV, I guess I see you're need to demonstrate your understanding of psychology. I don't think there is dispute over what caused this guy to become what he is and commit these acts. We all know how deep the influences of events that take place in childhood are rooted in a person. There is no dispute that this man has a serious mental problem. And of course the best way to prevent this behavior a positive, secure, nurturing childhood.

And of course people die, are raped, and suffer in general everyday. This thread happens to be on this specific case and it is indeed horrific. Why should anyone care that people decide to comment on it? Because there are atrocities occurring that we can consider worse? Is the Iraq War going to mean shit once humanity is over and our history forgotten? Really, none of us mean shit. We're all going to die anyway and our memories of any traumas will be erased, why worry about the time and method? Why even bother with a legal system?

At some point some people agreed that people were entitled to certain rights. Among these were life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; and there is no right to infringe upon these rights of others. So we cannot tolerate or remain apathetic to these events; each and every insignificant one of them.




ps
sorry for the cheesy ending. I was too tired/lazy to get my point across some other way.

Hugs might have helped, but less abuse and more security probably would have even been better. There is a reason why you always have parents and early influential figures being blamed. You spend what? An average of four years with your parents without any formal education? Those are the core years of development, spent mainly with one or two people. So yeah, what happens in your childhood and what your parents do actually is really REALLY important.

Of course at this point there is little we can do to help this man. He's already permanently fucked up. We obviously can't just shrug our shoulders and let him walk around blaming everyone. It sucks for him since he obviously couldn't pick out his parents but we can't let him walk around hurting or killing people.

i'm not sure of the science on this. perhaps social environment can prevent behaviours, but mental problems?



you lost me here.

And plenty of people from fucked up households turn out just fine, and plenty from good upstanding households turn into real assholes as well.

Whats really telling is you are just ASSUMING he had fucked up parents- the article never mentioned any sort of abuse or neglect... It just mentioned he was an asshole as a kid before becoming an asshole as an adult. That kinda shows that you are looking for excuses for this guy "he couldnt pick out his parents," even though he doesnt deserve them.

Why should the reason someone commits a horrific act matter at all if they are aware they are commiting a horrific act?

es, there is a correlation between a poor upbringing and criminal acts, but ultimately the decision to commit horrific acts, or to not is up to the individual- not their upbringing. They know whats right, they know whats wrong and they choose to do whats wrong.