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Just saw one that blatently flat out blames Obama for the gas prices. ACTUALLY says, "Who's responsible for rising gasoline prices?" And then a pic of Obama with crowd noise CHANTING his name.
Approved by McCain, of course.
Wow. I didn't know one junior senator had so much power!! Anyone else shocked??
I guess we should have a thread for this craziness.
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Well, the Democrats don't seem terribly concerned with gas prices. Its not unreasonable to want to hold off of drilling for environmental reasons, but at least be honest about the end effect of that. "We think higher gas prices are an unfortunate but unavoidable cost of protecting the environment and ushering in cleaner technologies". Is that really so hard to say? Instead, its blame the oil companies, blame the speculators and pretend to be doing something about gas prices. Their constituents want lower gas prices. Tell them why that aint gonna happen.
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NaiveAndTrue wrote:
Just saw one that blatently flat out blames Obama for the gas prices. ACTUALLY says, "Who's responsible for rising gasoline prices?" And then a pic of Obama with crowd noise CHANTING his name.
Approved by McCain, of course.
Wow. I didn't know one junior senator had so much power!! Anyone else shocked??
I guess we should have a thread for this craziness.
I saw this last night and was like "wtf?"
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simple schoolboy wrote:
Well, the Democrats don't seem terribly concerned with gas prices. Its not unreasonable to want to hold off of drilling for environmental reasons, but at least be honest about the end effect of that. "We think higher gas prices are an unfortunate but unavoidable cost of protecting the environment and ushering in cleaner technologies". Is that really so hard to say? Instead, its blame the oil companies, blame the speculators and pretend to be doing something about gas prices. Their constituents want lower gas prices. Tell them why that aint gonna happen.
That's about as much of a political winner as telling them that they can't pay for social services without raising taxes.
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everybodys always looking for someone to blame...well, it aint speculators...its simple supply and demand and "forces of mother nature, i.e hurricanes"..number came out today on oil, and of course they pump out more, supply is up and we're sitting at $124/barrel. down $20 in a week....at it will continue to drop
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punkdavid wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
Well, the Democrats don't seem terribly concerned with gas prices. Its not unreasonable to want to hold off of drilling for environmental reasons, but at least be honest about the end effect of that. "We think higher gas prices are an unfortunate but unavoidable cost of protecting the environment and ushering in cleaner technologies". Is that really so hard to say? Instead, its blame the oil companies, blame the speculators and pretend to be doing something about gas prices. Their constituents want lower gas prices. Tell them why that aint gonna happen.
That's about as much of a political winner as telling them that they can't pay for social services without raising taxes.
Feinstein had an editorial the other day, patting herself and the other Democrats on the back for their great work fighting against speculation. She then proceeded to rail against new drilling as it wouldn't pay out for 7 or 10 years. High gas prices are only a temporary issue then, huh? And the bill she helped pass is going to be more effective than, you know, trying to increase suppply?
I have her, and my districts representative in my cell phone address book. Does that make me a concerned citizen, or a nerd?
Shouldn't you guys actually be proud about that ad? Aren't you the people who want high gas prices? Hasn't this forum been a mouthpiece spewing such rhetoric as, "We need high gas to get people off the roads," so on and so forth? So why are you upset? And what's innaccurate or dirty about it? Democrats are partly responsible for higher gas prices. They're responsible for gas taxes, and they actually were talking about raising them another dime just last week. Obama was against cutting the gas tax over the summer.
Oh, and speaking of which, I don't know if you guys are up to speed on this, but the DNC is avoiding state and national gas taxes for the convention by not purchasing their fuel from private enterprises. They're getting their gas from state reserves, such as where sherrifs, DOT vehicles, and other municipal vehicles get their gas.
I would be so proud to be a card holding member of this party.
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Another Dishonest McCain Ad by BarbinMD Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 06:50:12 AM PDT
John McCain has often said that he would run a respectful campaign, but he never said anything about running an honest one. His latest ad:
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"Gas prices — $4, $5, no end in sight, because some in Washington are still saying no to drilling in America. No to independence from foreign oil. Who can you thank for rising prices at the pump?"
A photograph of Obama appears on the stage as a voiceover of a crowd chants: "Obama, Obama, Obama!"
Really? Did John McCain forget what he said two weeks ago?
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Let me give you a little straight talk on energy. Our dangerous dependence on foreign oil has been thirty years in the making, not yesterday, thirty years.
"With those resources, which would take years to develop, you would only postpone or temporarily relieve our dependency on fossil fuels," McCain said when asked about offshore drilling.
Did he forget that his own campaign said:
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...allowing new offshore drilling would have no immediate impact on supplies or gas prices.
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Shouldn't you guys actually be proud about that ad? Aren't you the people who want high gas prices? Hasn't this forum been a mouthpiece spewing such rhetoric as, "We need high gas to get people off the roads," so on and so forth? So why are you upset? And what's innaccurate or dirty about it? Democrats are partly responsible for higher gas prices. They're responsible for gas taxes, and they actually were talking about raising them another dime just last week. Obama was against cutting the gas tax over the summer.
Oh, and speaking of which, I don't know if you guys are up to speed on this, but the DNC is avoiding state and national gas taxes for the convention by not purchasing their fuel from private enterprises. They're getting their gas from state reserves, such as where sherrifs, DOT vehicles, and other municipal vehicles get their gas.
I would be so proud to be a card holding member of this party.
You forgot the part about us wanting to drink the blood of every white baby.
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richard dawkins' next book should be titled the littlewing delusion.
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simple schoolboy wrote:
corduroy_blazer wrote:
richard dawkins' next book should be titled the littlewing delusion.
Sometimes its hard to distinguish the substance from the hyperbole, but he has a point as far as the Dems and gas prices go.
tell me, which top-ranking democratic lawmakers have said "we need high gas prices to get people off the roads"?
littlewing goes on to say democrats are partly responsible for higher gas prices -- yea, well, how many people are partly responsible? hundreds of thousands? millions?
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tell me, which top-ranking democratic lawmakers have said "we need high gas prices to get people off the roads"? - C_B
Are you kidding me? You've actually got to be joking here. Your glorious messiah actually said he wanted higher gas prices (to get people off the roads). He just didn't like that they had jumped up so fast.
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Barack Obama: I think that... we have been slow to move in a better direction when it comes to energy usage. And the president, frankly, hasn't had an energy policy.* And as a consequence we've been consuming energy as if it's infinite. We now know that our demand is badly outstripping supply with China and India growing as rapidly as they are.
CNBC's John Harwood: So could the (high) oil prices help us?
Barack Obama: I think that I would have preferred a gradual adjustment. The fact that this is such a shock to American pocketbooks is not a good thing. But if we take some steps right now to help people make the adjustment, first of all by putting more money in their pockets, but also by encouraging the market to adapt to these new circumstances more rapidly, particularly U.S. automakers...
And the tip of the iceberg.
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A Michigan congressman wants to put a 50-cent tax on every gallon of gasoline to try to cut back on Americans' consumption.
Polls show that a majority of Americans support policies that would reduce greenhouse gases. But when it comes to paying for it, it's a different story.
Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., wants to help cut consumption with a gas tax but some don't agree with the idea, according to a new poll by the National Center for Public Policy Research.
Obama was against cutting the gas tax over the summer.
You mean he didn't pander to idiots by promising to lift gas taxes for 3 months that would have a negligible effect on anything? You know good and well you would have railed him into the ground if he had supported that, talking about how of course he is pandering and telling people what they want to hear, I mean that's all he does right?
And as far as him "wanting" gas prices high. What a joke. The quote that you used shows what a joke that is. Let me make this real simple for you: seeing a positive effect out of a bad situation does NOT mean that you are glad for the bad situation. He's not giddy about high gas prices. He's simply looking at the situation and seeing the potential positive effect, which would be that because of high gas prices, the public demands we explore legitimate alternatives to wane ourselves from our oil dependency. Of course I don't think this will happen. See 1973 and 1979/80 when the same thing should have happened.
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haha, my glorious messiah? my glorious messiah? just because i criticize what you post, that doesn't mean i consider obama my messiah.
LittleWing wrote:
corduroy_blazer wrote:
tell me, which top-ranking democratic lawmakers have said "we need high gas prices to get people off the roads"?
Are you kidding me? You've actually got to be joking here. Your glorious messiah actually said he wanted higher gas prices (to get people off the roads). He just didn't like that they had jumped up so fast.
what you said democrats said: "we need high gas prices to get people off the roads."
what obama said, in so many words: "a gradual adjustment of oil prices would have slowly awakened americans to adapt to the circumstances staring us in the face, which are that mass foreign oil dependency, and mass fossil fuel dependency and usage, are not reliably cheap in the long run, nor are they good for the environment. a gradual adjustment would have allowed americans, including automakers, to financially attain their goals in bettering themselves regarding these three circumstances."
do you see the difference?
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And the tip of the iceberg.
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A Michigan congressman wants to put a 50-cent tax on every gallon of gasoline to try to cut back on Americans' consumption. Polls show that a majority of Americans support policies that would reduce greenhouse gases. But when it comes to paying for it, it's a different story.
is this an effort "to get people off the road," or "to reduce greenhouse gases"?
i don't see why americans actually think we need to burn gas like we do to be happy.
... living standards are not tightly coupled to consumption rates. Much American consumption is wasteful and contributes little or nothing to quality of life. For example, per capita oil consumption in Western Europe is about half of ours, yet Western Europe’s standard of living is higher by any reasonable criterion, including life expectancy, health, infant mortality, access to medical care, financial security after retirement, vacation time, quality of public schools and support for the arts. Ask yourself whether Americans’ wasteful use of gasoline contributes positively to any of those measures.
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You mean he didn't pander to idiots by promising to lift gas taxes for 3 months that would have a negligible effect on anything? You know good and well you would have railed him into the ground if he had supported that, talking about how of course he is pandering and telling people what they want to hear, I mean that's all he does right? - AprilFifth
It was mere political posturing on his part. He's supported much lower gas tax savings in Illinois. He voted for temporary cuts to 5 cents on the Illinois gas tax on three different occassions. So what's the deal with the glorious messiah? What is his stance? Did he have another magical epiphany? Or was he just taking a polar opposite position than Clinton and McCain to simply have a polar opposite position on Hillary and McCain? A negligible effect on anything you say? If 18 cents across the nation is NOT worth saving, if that's not an important effect, then why have it in the first place? Why not cut in the first place? And better yet, if cutting national sales taxes on gasoline are not meaningful, then why the FUCK is the DNC not paying gas taxes for their convention?
Amazing, numerous members of the DNC don't seem to have a problem levying taxes on you and I. But when it comes to them and their party, they purposefully go out of their way to avoid paying them. Not only circumventing the tax base, that they support, but also circumventing the private economy and supporting local businesses within the Denver community.
Lastly, there is no fucking way I would have railed against him if he had supported it. I support cutting gas taxes. I always have. Ever since I've been on this board I've pointed how ridiculous gas taxes are. Oil manufacturers spend billions of dollars to extract, ship, and refine gasoline. And they make an 8% profit on it. The government makes more off a gallon of gas than the fucking people that make it, market it, refine it, and ship it. It's insanely fucked up. And the irony is that you have lame brain politicians in Washington who then turn around and attack oil companies for price gouging. So no, I wouldn't have criticized Obama for this.
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And as far as him "wanting" gas prices high. What a joke. The quote that you used shows what a joke that is. - AprilFifth
Uhhhhhhhh...no, it's pretty clear. Barack Obama wants higher gas prices.
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The quote that you used shows what a joke that is. Let me make this real simple for you: seeing a positive effect out of a bad situation does NOT mean that you are glad for the bad situation. He's not giddy about high gas prices. - AprilFifth
But he would be if he was instrumental in "gradually" putting them there. He wants gas prices high. And wants them that way to keep people from using it. It's pretty clear.
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He's simply looking at the situation and seeing the potential positive effect, which would be that because of high gas prices, the public demands we explore legitimate alternatives to wane ourselves from our oil dependency. - AprilFifth
Please, you're an intelligent level-headed poster here. What does this really mean. This means, "I'm gonna use the government as an agent to make gas prices so prohibitive that people do not use their cars and research/demand newer alternative solutions that will be priced into the market according to how high I "gradually" increase the price of gasoline with taxes."
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what you said democrats said: "we need high gas prices to get people off the roads."
what obama said, in so many words: "a gradual adjustment of oil prices would have slowly awakened americans to adapt to the circumstances staring us in the face, which are that mass foreign oil dependency, and mass fossil fuel dependency and usage, are not reliably cheap in the long run, nor are they good for the environment. a gradual adjustment would have allowed americans, including automakers, to financially attain their goals in bettering themselves regarding these three circumstances."
do you see the difference? - CB
Dude, come on. This is nothing more than saying, "I want gas prices high so people don't use gas. So I'm going to tax it into oblivion, so you don't use gas." All of those issues can be alleviated by producing MORE domestic oil. But shit man, can't do that. Fuck no.
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is this an effort "to get people off the road," or "to reduce greenhouse gases"? - cb
Since I consider global warming from anthropogenic gases to essentially be a motive to control people, it's an effort to get people off the road. We gotta start manufacturing walkable towns, and increase mass transit right?
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i don't see why americans actually think we need to burn gas like we do to be happy. - cb
I don't either. I don't see it as something that is ultimately tied at the hip to our happiness. But -- having the freedom of movement that we do, is unquestioningly apart of contentness and happiness. You don't have to use the gas to be happy. Surely this is true. But if you don't have the gas period, or if it greatly inhibits your life, then it surely will detract from your happiness.
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haha, my glorious messiah? my glorious messiah? just because i criticize what you post, that doesn't mean i consider obama my messiah. - c_b
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i don't think obama's that great, i just think mccain is that bad where i couldn't vote for him.
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corduroy_blazer wrote:
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apparently that's real. i never watch TV, so i'd never see it, but please, someone tell me that it can't be real.
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