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This is such huge news - it needs its own thread.

For those of you that do not keep up with business/finance/economic news, I suggest you start reading.


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Lehman to File for Bankruptcy Protection
September 14, 2008, 5:55 pm

Lehman Brothers will file for bankruptcy protection on Sunday night, according to people briefed on the matter, in the largest failure of an investment bank since the collapse of Drexel Burnham Lambert 18 years ago.

Lehman will seek to place its parent company, Lehman Brothers Holdings, into bankruptcy protection, while its subsidiaries will remain solvent while the firm liquidates its holdings, these people said. A consortium of banks will provide a financial backstop to help provide an orderly winding down of the 158-year-old investment bank. And the Federal Reserve has agreed to accept lower-quality assets in return for loans from the government.

But Lehman’s filing is unlikely to resemble those of other companies that seek bankruptcy protection. Because of the harsher treatment that federal bankruptcy law applies to financial-services firm, Lehman cannot hope to reorganize and survive as a going concern. It will instead liquidate its holdings.

It was not clear whether the government would appoint a trustee to supervise Lehman’s liquidation, or how big the financial backstop would be.

Lehman’s broker-deal subsidiaries would not be a part of the bankruptcy filing. Those entities must file under Chapter 7 rules, which are the procedures for liquidation, under the assumption that it is the best way to protect customers. The Securities Investor Protection Corporation would handle the liquidation of such brokerages, and bankruptcy lawyers say that customers are likely to receive their holdings back.

Moreover, changes to the bankruptcy code mean that counterparties to Lehman’s credit-default swaps can seize their collateral at any time, posing an enormous potential risk to the entire financial markets. Investment banks, hedge funds and other financial players labored throughout Sunday to offset their exposure to Lehman, moving their contracts to other firms.

Lehman has retained the law firm Weil, Gotshal & Manges to prepare its bankruptcy filing. The firm’s restructuring head, Harvey Miller, also worked on Drexel’s bankruptcy back in 1990.

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As a libertarian, all i can say...so be it.


LOL - that's one of the funniest things I've read on this board in a long time.

You can be a libertarian, socialist, facist, capitalist, or vedderist - major banks failing will still effect you. This goes well beyond the employees and shareholders.

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Moreover, changes to the bankruptcy code mean that counterparties to Lehman’s credit-default swaps can seize their collateral at any time, posing an enormous potential risk to the entire financial markets.


Can you explain this a little for me?

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Moreover, changes to the bankruptcy code mean that counterparties to Lehman’s credit-default swaps can seize their collateral at any time, posing an enormous potential risk to the entire financial markets.


Can you explain this a little for me?


In short, a credit default swap - for the 99.9% of people that don't know - is an agreement to repay debt if a company goes bankrupt or triggers any other "default".

An example would be XYZ corp issues debt at 100 and it yields 9% and it matures in 5 years. Since treasuries yield under 4% for comparable time frame, the cost to insure this debt would be approximately 9-4 or 5% a year. So if you had $10,000,000 invested in XYZ debt you could pay $500,000 a year to make sure if they can't repay the total amount of your $10,000,000, you are insured against it.

This market, the "CDS" market, is HUGE. Trillions and trillions. People buy insurance on debt that they don't own and sometimes the CDS market is *multiples* of the actual amount of debt outstanding. It's basically a massively leveraged way to speculate/hedge/invest in debt and defaults.

Lehman is counterparty - ie, they have "taken the other side" in trillions of CDS contracts. The exact number is not known as CDS are not traded in regular markets like stocks. It's all "over the counter" - just an agreement between the two people who make a transaction.

This is the biggest risk in a Lehman bankruptcy. CDS are pretty new instruments and there has never been a bank failure since they exploded to trillions and trillions of dollars. Everyone holding a CDS that Lehman underwrote is now faced with trying to "unwind" it. This is a colossally big undertaking.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_default_swap

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A credit default swap (CDS) is a credit derivative contract between two counterparties, whereby the "buyer" or "fixed rate payer" pays periodic payments to the "seller" or "floating rate payer" in exchange for the right to a payoff if there is a default[1] or "credit event" in respect of a third party or "reference entity".

If a credit event occurs, the typical contract either settles by delivery by the buyer to the seller of a (usually defaulted) debt obligation of the reference entity against a payment by the seller of the par value ("physical settlement") or the seller pays the buyer the difference between the par value and the market price of a specified debt obligation, typically determined in an auction ("cash settlement").

A credit default swap resembles an insurance policy, as it can be used by a debt holder to hedge, or insure against a default under the debt instrument. However, because there is no requirement to actually hold any asset or suffer a loss, a credit default swap can also be used for speculative purposes and is not generally considered insurance for regulatory purposes.


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Credit default swaps are the most widely traded credit derivative product[2] and the Bank for International Settlements reported the notional amount on outstanding OTC credit default swaps to be $42.6 trillion[1] in June 2007, up from $28.9 trillion in December 2006 ($13.9 trillion in December 2005) and by the end of 2007 there were an estimated USD 45 trillion worth of Credit Default Swap contracts.[3]


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Warren Buffett famously described derivatives bought speculatively as "financial weapons of mass destruction." In Berkshire Hathaway's annual report to shareholders in 2002, he said, "Unless derivatives contracts are collateralized or guaranteed, their ultimate value also depends on the creditworthiness of the counterparties to them. In the meantime, though, before a contract is settled, the counterparties record profits and losses -often huge in amount- in their current earnings statements without so much as a penny changing hands. The range of derivatives contracts is limited only by the imagination of man (or sometimes, so it seems, madmen)."


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The market for credit derivatives is now so large, in many instances the amount of credit derivatives outstanding for an individual name are vastly greater than the bonds outstanding. For instance, company X may have $1 billion of outstanding debt and $10 billion of CDS contracts outstanding. If such a company were to default, and recovery is 40 cents on the dollar, then the loss to investors holding the bonds would be $600 million. However the loss to credit default swap sellers would be $6 billion. When the CDS have been made for purely speculative purposes, in addition to spreading risk, credit derivatives can also amplify those risks.

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Would I be completely wrong in thinking that this sounds like arbitrage? Especially this:
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However, because there is no requirement to actually hold any asset or suffer a loss, a credit default swap can also be used for speculative purposes and is not generally considered insurance for regulatory purposes.


The original article states that this poses an enormous risk to the entire financial market. Who would really be on the hook for this? Unless I'm understanding incorrectly, which is certainly a distinct possibility, it sounds as if these CDS are sold and traded around and around, over and over, basically making money merely by conducting the transaction. So will there really be anyone left holding the bag now?

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The market for credit derivatives is now so large, in many instances the amount of credit derivatives outstanding for an individual name are vastly greater than the bonds outstanding. For instance, company X may have $1 billion of outstanding debt and $10 billion of CDS contracts outstanding. If such a company were to default, and recovery is 40 cents on the dollar, then the loss to investors holding the bonds would be $600 million. However the loss to credit default swap sellers would be $6 billion. When the CDS have been made for purely speculative purposes, in addition to spreading risk, credit derivatives can also amplify those risks.


Did you edit this post and add a couple more quotes? Or did I just stop reading after the first two the first time lol? Either way, this explanation is pretty simple.

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I edited it and added more quotes.

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aprilfifth wrote:
Would I be completely wrong in thinking that this sounds like arbitrage? Especially this:
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However, because there is no requirement to actually hold any asset or suffer a loss, a credit default swap can also be used for speculative purposes and is not generally considered insurance for regulatory purposes.


The original article states that this poses an enormous risk to the entire financial market. Who would really be on the hook for this? Unless I'm understanding incorrectly, which is certainly a distinct possibility, it sounds as if these CDS are sold and traded around and around, over and over, basically making money merely by conducting the transaction. So will there really be anyone left holding the bag now?

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[urlhttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB122139688846233147.html?mod=special_coverage][/url]

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Dozens of Wall Street desks have trades with Lehman. As word spread that the Barclays deal was falling apart, worries that the company could be thrown into bankruptcy mounted, and traders labored to get out of those over-the-counter contracts.

At approximately 2:30 p.m., government officials hosted a call, and a trading session was opened to ease fears. One trader said it was agreed that other brokers would pick up contracts that trading desks have with Lehman. If Lehman does open on Monday, the deals struck on Sunday, often at a worse price, would be void. "It is utter chaos here," the trader said.

Credit-derivative traders at many Wall Street firms were told to come to work immediately. With many trading desks open, investors rushed to buy credit-default swaps tied to other brokerages and corporations, sending the cost of protection on investment banks such as Goldman Sachs and others sharply higher.

In a statement Sunday, the International Swaps and Derivatives Association, a trade group whose members include many large dealers, said a "netting trading session" which took place between 2 p.m. and 6 p.m. on Sunday to allow Lehman's counterparties to offset their derivatives positions against each other.

"The purpose of this session is to reduce risk associated with a potential Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. bankruptcy filing," it said. It added that trades conducted during this period "are contingent on a bankruptcy filing on or before 11:59 p.m. New York time" on Sunday. If no filing takes place, the trades will be canceled, ISDA said.



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Unless I'm understanding incorrectly, which is certainly a distinct possibility, it sounds as if these CDS are sold and traded around and around, over and over, basically making money merely by conducting the transaction. So will there really be anyone left holding the bag now?


They are traded not round and round but for each debt issuance, there are many participants that have entered into a CDS agreement.

For instance, if I am a hedge fund, I might buy a CDS contract on XYZ corp through Lehman Brothers. Simultaneously, Lehman might buy that same contract from Goldman Sachs.

So, yah, we can cut Lehman out completely and just "pair up" the trade with Goldman. But we are talking about trillions of dollars. It takes a shit load of time to sort this all out.

With Lehman going bankrupt, there is a chance that the CDS they sold me is not able to be payed off, even if they did in turn buy the same thing from Goldman. My counterparty risk is with Lehman NOT Goldman.

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[urlhttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB122139688846233147.html?mod=special_coverage][/url]

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Dozens of Wall Street desks have trades with Lehman. As word spread that the Barclays deal was falling apart, worries that the company could be thrown into bankruptcy mounted, and traders labored to get out of those over-the-counter contracts.

At approximately 2:30 p.m., government officials hosted a call, and a trading session was opened to ease fears. One trader said it was agreed that other brokers would pick up contracts that trading desks have with Lehman. If Lehman does open on Monday, the deals struck on Sunday, often at a worse price, would be void. "It is utter chaos here," the trader said.

Credit-derivative traders at many Wall Street firms were told to come to work immediately. With many trading desks open, investors rushed to buy credit-default swaps tied to other brokerages and corporations, sending the cost of protection on investment banks such as Goldman Sachs and others sharply higher.

In a statement Sunday, the International Swaps and Derivatives Association, a trade group whose members include many large dealers, said a "netting trading session" which took place between 2 p.m. and 6 p.m. on Sunday to allow Lehman's counterparties to offset their derivatives positions against each other.

"The purpose of this session is to reduce risk associated with a potential Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. bankruptcy filing," it said. It added that trades conducted during this period "are contingent on a bankruptcy filing on or before 11:59 p.m. New York time" on Sunday. If no filing takes place, the trades will be canceled, ISDA said.



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See, these are CDS contracts that are bet ON Lehman, AIG, etc. The risk isn't the money that was bet ON Lehman - it's all the CDS Lehman issed/underwrote to investors on other companies.

That's why this is confusing. "The Problem With Lehman" explains this.

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It's funny on WSJ.com I've read three or four different op/ed or blog pieces about everything and they each have different conclusions about what this all means. It should be interesting to say the least.

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By JUSTIN LAHART
September 15, 2008

When Japan was mired in economic crisis, the U.S. urged it to take decisive action to deal with its ailing banks. Japan didn't follow the advice and the crisis dragged on for years. Now, it is the U.S. that is mired in crisis and facing the prospect of swallowing the bitter medicine it once proffered.

Japan's stock-market bubble began rapidly deflating in 1990 and its property bubble followed suit shortly afterward. Many borrowers were unable to make payments on their debt and bad loans piled up on bank balance sheets. A long period of lackluster economic growth made a tough situation worse. With the financial system saddled with bad debts, Japan desperately needed its banks to acknowledge the severity of their problems and for some banks to shut their doors. But the banks, unwilling to take steps that might render them insolvent, refused to acknowledge their problems, extending the crisis.

"One of the lessons we took from Japan was the hesitation and refusal to own up to the problem was a disaster," says University of Chicago Graduate School of Business economist Anil Kashyap.

U.S. financial firms, too, have struggled with owning up to the extent of their credit losses, partly because those losses are a moving target. A year ago, Bear Stearns Cos. was reluctant to sell mortgage-related credit at a loss. That decision came back to haunt the firm as declining home prices continued to pummel mortgages, and Bear ended up in a government-backed fire sale to J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. Meanwhile, Merrill Lynch & Co. Chief Executive John Thain said in a January interview that the firm's troubles were "for the most part behind us" -- but in July the firm agreed to sell more than $30 billion in mortgage-related assets at a large loss.

Still, U.S. financial firms have been much quicker to acknowledge losses than their Japanese counterparts were. While the slicing and dicing of mortgages into tradable securities played a part in the mortgage mess, accounting rules make it difficult for firms to ignore losses on those securities, says Princeton University economist Hyun Song Shin. In contrast, by continuing to extend credit to bad borrowers, Japanese banks were able to put off recognizing the extent of their debt problems.

"The denial strategy is harder to pull off -- it will catch up to you in the accounting," says Mr. Shin. "That's one of the more encouraging and hopeful signs in the U.S."

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the two giant mortgage companies that the U.S. government seized a week ago, operated under rules that made the extent of their woes much more difficult to assess. But Treasury officials took a tougher line getting Fannie and Freddie to own up to their problems than Japan's Ministry of Finance did with ailing Japanese banks. Just as Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke has been intent on not repeating the Fed's Depression-era mistakes, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson is intent on not repeating Japan's mistakes in the 1990s, says Brad DeLong, an economic historian at the University of California at Berkeley.

One last problem the current U.S. situation shares with Japan in the 1990s may be a financial sector that is far larger than it should be. "If you have an unsustainable lending boom, then by definition the lending has to shrink," says Adam Posen, a deputy director at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington.

In Japan, that didn't happen. Rather than failing, troubled banks merged with healthier ones. But even though the combined bank would often end up with branches that were within steps of one another, few bank workers lost their jobs. Mr. Posen worries that concerns about the systemic risk to the financial system will prevent the U.S. from allowing enough firms to shut their doors to make the necessary capacity cuts.

In that regard, the tougher line with Wall Street that U.S. officials took over the weekend is encouraging. Refusing to financially backstop a takeover of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. with government money, as they did for J.P. Morgan's hasty acquisition of Bear Stearns, they showed they were far more willing to let a troubled firm fail than their Japanese counterparts were. Also, many financial firms have already begun cutting operations in a way Japanese banks balked at.

But while the U.S. has been decisive where Japan was not, it is worth remembering there was a reason Japan was hesitant to deal with its problems. Recognizing the financial sector's problems quickly increases the possibility of a run for the exits that could seize up the credit markets, putting the overall economy at greater risk. Quickly shrinking the financial sector could have a social cost, as well, putting tens of thousands of people out of work. Where will they go?



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