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Seems to be the latest discussion here in NY with newspapers and radio talk shows. I'm a big Eli fan and i cheered him on bigtime after the Colts got knocked out. I also thought he'd develop into a very good QB when everybody wanted to run him out of town. But saying he's better than Peyton is way over the top. Eli has come into his own and maybe someday will be better than his brother but making this comparison right now is laughable.
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Clubber wrote:
making this comparison right now is laughable.
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Clubber wrote:
Seems to be the latest discussion here in NY with newspapers and radio talk shows. I'm a big Eli fan and i cheered him on bigtime after the Colts got knocked out. I also thought he'd develop into a very good QB when everybody wanted to run him out of town. But saying he's better than Peyton is way over the top. Eli has come into his own and maybe someday will be better than his brother but making this comparison right now is laughable.
Agreed. Peyton has his place in Canton ready. Eli still has awhile before he can even touch the career achievements of his brother.
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this was from espn.com page2
Eli Manning has always been the kid brother. Peyton was a highly lauded No. 1 overall NFL draft choice when Eli was still in high school. When Eli in turn became a No. 1 overall draft choice, there was whispering about how he was only riding his older brother's coattails. Few football scouts -- including scouts for the San Diego Chargers, who drafted and then promptly traded away Eli -- thought he would match his brother's achievements. Eli has been booed in New York (which, for NFL purposes, is located in New Jersey); Peyton has never been booed in Indianapolis. New York sports radio hosts and callers once shrieked that the Chargers picked the Giants' pockets in that trade. In their joint commercials, Eli has always appeared deferential and inconsequential compared to Peyton. Two years ago at the Super Bowl in Miami, where Peyton's Colts would line up, TMQ saw Eli at a party. He looked miserable -- not just out of sorts, but miserable. Big brother was outshining him, as usual.
Well, ponder this: Eli Manning is now a better quarterback than Peyton Manning. At the current rate, his career achievements will at least match, and perhaps surpass, his big brother's.
Four games into his fifth season, Eli is 44-30 as a starter and has a Super Bowl ring. At the same point in his career, Peyton was 35-35 and had not won a postseason game. In terms of passing stats, the two players are approximately the same. In terms of leadership, Eli won the Super Bowl in his fourth season with a team whose personnel was so undistinguished, not one of the 16 sets of expert predictions ESPN.com ran before the 2007 season even had the Giants making the playoffs, let alone winning the Super Bowl. On Sunday, both Manning brothers recorded monster wins, and both played well. Eli achieved close to perfection -- he was 19-of-25 for 267 yards, with two touchdowns and no interceptions. His perfect passing made who-dat backup receiver Domenik Hixon (see below) look like a star, and his leadership skills inspired the who-dat Giants offensive line -- quick, how many of them can you name without peeking? -- to play like the New England offensive line of 2007. Stretching back to last season, the Giants have won eight straight games, and this season's 127-49 scoring margin over their opponents is spectacular. If football stays popular for a thousand years, Eli's escape from four tacklers on that last-minute Super Bowl scoring drive will always be one of the sport's signature plays. Peyton is great, and a near-lock for Canton. Eli may be bound for the same place, with his bust in a slightly nicer corner.
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I agree it's too early to tell. I also think Giants fans should be embarrassed that they booed the guy and he ended up winning a SB for them.
A lot of them wanted him benched last year, especially after the Minnesota game. I remember radio callers saying they wanted Jared Lorenzen to get a shot.
Last season, out west here, people were talking about how the Chargers definitely got the better of the Rivers/Manning trade. If we're not sure he's better than Rivers, logic tells us he's not on Peyton's level yet.
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MitchCumstein wrote:
Last season, out west here, people were talking about how the Chargers definitely got the better of the Rivers/Manning trade. If we're not sure he's better than Rivers, logic tells us he's not on Peyton's level yet.
I have to say, though: Number of Super Bowls for Eli Manning: 1 Number of Super Bowls for the Chargers: 0
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Green Habit wrote:
MitchCumstein wrote:
Last season, out west here, people were talking about how the Chargers definitely got the better of the Rivers/Manning trade. If we're not sure he's better than Rivers, logic tells us he's not on Peyton's level yet.
I have to say, though: Number of Super Bowls for Eli Manning: 1 Number of Super Bowls for the Chargers: 0
No joke.
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Last season, out west here, people were talking about how the Chargers definitely got the better of the Rivers/Manning trade. If we're not sure he's better than Rivers, logic tells us he's not on Peyton's level yet.
I have to say, though: Number of Super Bowls for Eli Manning: 1 Number of Super Bowls for the Chargers: 0
And I hope it stays that way. Rivers can choke on Merriman's shriveled scrotum.
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MitchCumstein wrote:
Green Habit wrote:
MitchCumstein wrote:
Last season, out west here, people were talking about how the Chargers definitely got the better of the Rivers/Manning trade. If we're not sure he's better than Rivers, logic tells us he's not on Peyton's level yet.
I have to say, though: Number of Super Bowls for Eli Manning: 1 Number of Super Bowls for the Chargers: 0
And I hope it stays that way. Rivers can choke on Merriman's shriveled scrotum.
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how many times has peyton choked in the clutch? always. and how many times has eli come through? always.
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pearljamfan80 wrote:
I hate they attribute W-L records and Super Bowl titles to QBs. Peyton never had a d-line as good as Eli did.
I would agree, but Eli got knocked for making boneheaded plays and he completely reversed that in the SB. The play that ended in the Tyree catch and that fade to Plaxico were both perfect. I hate the Giants but they didn't just win because of that D-Line.
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corduroy_blazer wrote:
how many times has peyton choked in the clutch? always. and how many times has eli come through? always.
Peyton brought his team back from 21-3 against the Pats in the 2006 AFC Championship game. As far as Eli "always" coming through. Check out his playoff game against Carolina 3 years ago. Probably one of the worst playoff performances ever. Peyton had the same shit happen to him in year 3 against the Jets. The problem is that Peyton has been consistant for 10 years while Eli has done it for 1 and a quarter.
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Yes but in the same breath, they'll knock Peyton for losing in 06 against Pittsburgh because his kicker came closer to the back pylon than the goal posts as time expired.
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I agree it's too early to tell. I also think Giants fans should be embarrassed that they booed the guy and he ended up winning a SB for them.
A lot of them wanted him benched last year, especially after the Minnesota game. I remember radio callers saying they wanted Jared Lorenzen to get a shot.
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