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5 Stars: One of their best 16%  16%  [ 11 ]
4 Stars: really good 29%  29%  [ 20 ]
3 stars: average 19%  19%  [ 13 ]
2 stars: help me 14%  14%  [ 10 ]
1 star: help me 14%  14%  [ 10 ]
0 stars: help me 5%  5%  [ 4 ]
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 Post subject: SOTM # 135: Tell me lies...
PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:36 pm 
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Help, Help

Tell me what I wanna hear
This shits too good to be true
My dear

Tell me lies
Tell me lies, tell me
Tell me lies, tell me

Help me

Storybook keeps from hurting me
You see
Shell of the man from the sea

Tell me lies
Tell me lies, tell me
Tell me lies, tell me

Tell me why
Tell me why, tell me
Tell me why, tell me

Tell me lies,...

Help me

Reservoir
Of hate and fear
Invisible
In repair
A hundred thieves
Cast a spell
This is hell

Help me

The man they call my enemy, I've seen his eyes
He looks just like me, a mirror

The more you read, we've been deceived
Everyday it becomes clearer,...

Clearer.

Not my enemy,.. no, not my enemy,..
Don't speak for me. No, not my enemy.


Like most recent Jeff songs, help help could have ended up much stronger than it is, and is more striking for its potential than its execution. The music is generally unhinged in a fairly harmless way--reflecting the sense of distrust and paranoia, but not panic, of the verses. It contrasts nicely with the chorus in that regard, which gets more urgent. I like the music in the chorus quite a bit, especially the way it builds. And the outro is very good (a good headphone listens). But I can't really get into the music in the verses that much. it fits the mood of the song, but I don't really enjoy it. Part of the problem is that it isn't unsettling enough to really justify the 'help me' chorus--I just don't get where the desperation is coming from to justify that line.

Where help help suffers is lyrically and vocally. Lyrically it has the usual problem with Jeff lyrics. Things are either too blunt to be compelling (show me, don't tell me) as in the first verse, or they don't make much sense (the 'not my enemy' outro lyrics). The only part that is compelling is the bridge, where jeff did a nice job.

I can appreciate that they tried to do something new and theoretically interesting with Eddie's vocals here, but to my ears it comes across as a bit too much of a gimmick--I don't necessarily hear confusion, or desperation, or even resignation (if you want to interpret the help me as too little too late). I'm not quite sure what Eddie was trying to accomplish here, but it doesn't work for me. The vocal melody isn't that interesting either, which doesn't help matters.

Good song live though--too bad they don't play it more.

2 stars from me (2.5 really but closer to 2)

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Hated it for the longest time and almost always skipped it. But it's on one of my 03 boots and it did translate better live. I wouldn't say it's a great song but I do get the idea of where it was going and thinks it could have been left in the oven a little longer. I don't hate it anymore; more like don't care either way.
It kind of fits on Riot Act but it has more of a Lost Dogs quality to it.
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2.5 stars for studio version.
Anywhere from 3-4 stars for live version. I really like the one on 4/1/03 from Denver.

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Angus wrote:
5 stars

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I know you like this one a lot. i'm looking forward to it.


I will say re: Lord Vedder that it fits very well on Riot Act conceptually--the whole record is a 'what the fuck just happened to my country and my world' reaction to the start of the 21st century and so this fits in quite well in that regard

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4 stars, I really enjoy this song.

No idea why they've dropped it from setlists, from the 2003 boots it comes across really well live (much better than You Are which has hung around much longer).


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4.5, but i'll give it a 5

love the last few verses
and not my enemy is simply referencing the verse a few verses prior

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3 stars from me. I much prefer hearing it on the boots than the studio version.

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4 stars for me, i love this track. It has a very spaced out, hushed feel to it, and although the lyrics are lacking a bit i think that the music is great. It fits perfectly on RA and is in fact one of, if not my favourite on the album.

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The best song on riot act. I fucking love it. I think the production value has A LOT to do with it.

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Cinco.


Every now and then you pop in with a post, basically always saying something I can agree with. I feel honoured to be in your sig line. :)


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 Post subject: Re: SOTM # 135: Tell me lies...
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Doesn't do much for me. When I read the thread title, I was wondering how I missed Pearl Jam covering Fleetwood Mac.


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 Post subject: Re: SOTM # 135: Tell me lies...
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3 stars from me...very average PJ song.

I feel that the non-Ed PJ songs rarely get regular rotation live after its album's tour. I am sure there some that make it through, but most of them get the axe.

I probably should have given it two stars, but the word "Average" really connected the song to my opinion of it. It's dull, it drones, and the I think the execution is poor. I also don't really like it love that much. It does improve from the studio version, but I would rather hear 100 other PJ songs before this one.


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4 stars. There's something really wrong with this song... it's like the three-legged freaky deer with an extra milky eye in the forehead. It's creepy, unsettling and subversive. Which makes it excellent, obviously.

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1 star...everything off Riot Act is pretty mediocre in my opinion with exception to Thumbing..., You Are, Bushleaguer and 1/2 Full.

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Out of 34 votes, this song gets 15 4 or 5 star votes. Wattafack? I thought we were like 3 people totally loving this song.


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Angus wrote:
Out of 34 votes, this song gets 15 4 or 5 star votes. Wattafack? I thought we were like 3 people totally loving this song.


I fully expected to be the first 5 star vote and to see mostly 0, 1 or 2 stars. Maybe its bizzaro day at RM?

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aprilfifth wrote:
Angus wrote:
Out of 34 votes, this song gets 15 4 or 5 star votes. Wattafack? I thought we were like 3 people totally loving this song.


I fully expected to be the first 5 star vote and to see mostly 0, 1 or 2 stars. Maybe its bizzaro day at RM?

this is what i thought too, i voted 5 stars, best song on riot act.

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