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Just thought I'd offer something a bit different from all the chaos currently going on.

Here's Penn and Teller's thoughts on how to achieve world peace. A/D? Your own thoughts?



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 Post subject: Re: World Peace
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It is not possible.


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 Post subject: Re: World Peace
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It is boring.

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 Post subject: Re: World Peace
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That is probably true as well.


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 Post subject: Re: World Peace
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It's not close, but just by not putting guns and other weapons in wrong people's hands it would get much closer.

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 Post subject: Re: World Peace
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It's not close, but just by not putting guns, swords, sticks, pipes, stones, bow and arrow, slingshots and other weapons in wrong people's hands it would get much closer.

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It's not close, but just by not putting guns, swords, sticks, pipes, stones, bow and arrow, slingshots and other weapons in wrong people's hands it would get much closer.


My army of burly stranglers would still kill you and everyone else.


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Now seriously, the world nowdays is much more peaceful than in the past. I mean, europeans are not killing themselves! Thats quite a feat already. Step by step, we are getting better.

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Human Bass wrote:
europeans are not killing themselves!


I am not so sure that is a good thing.


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Lysander wrote:
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It's not close, but just by not putting guns, swords, sticks, pipes, stones, bow and arrow, slingshots and other weapons in wrong people's hands it would get much closer.


My army of burly stranglers would still kill you and everyone else.

I know that but "upgraded" weapons scale things up a lot. Strangling or beating to death is much more trouble than "bang bang".

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 Post subject: Re: World Peace
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Mine wrote:
Lysander wrote:
Human Bass wrote:
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It's not close, but just by not putting guns, swords, sticks, pipes, stones, bow and arrow, slingshots and other weapons in wrong people's hands it would get much closer.


My army of burly stranglers would still kill you and everyone else.

I know that but "upgraded" weapons scale things up a lot. Strangling or beating to death is much more trouble than "bang bang".


You have obviously never met my army. We laugh at your bullets.


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 Post subject: Re: World Peace
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Lysander wrote:
Human Bass wrote:
europeans are not killing themselves!


I am not so sure that is a good thing.

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 Post subject: Re: World Peace
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Lysander wrote:
Mine wrote:
Lysander wrote:
Human Bass wrote:
Mine wrote:
It's not close, but just by not putting guns, swords, sticks, pipes, stones, bow and arrow, slingshots and other weapons in wrong people's hands it would get much closer.


My army of burly stranglers would still kill you and everyone else.

I know that but "upgraded" weapons scale things up a lot. Strangling or beating to death is much more trouble than "bang bang".


You have obviously never met my army. We laugh at your bullets.

Why am i picturing rednecks with a tooth only left in their months?

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Mine wrote:
Why am i picturing rednecks with a tooth only left in their months?


Because your imagination is almost always incorrect?


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 Post subject: Re: World Peace
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Lysander wrote:
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Why am i picturing rednecks with a tooth only left in their months?


Because your imagination is almost always incorrect?

:thumbsdown:

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 Post subject: Re: World Peace
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Mine wrote:
Lysander wrote:
Mine wrote:
Why am i picturing rednecks with a tooth only left in their months?


Because your imagination is almost always incorrect?

:thumbsdown:


I disagree.


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 Post subject: Re: World Peace
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One thing is for certain, if world peace were even possible (which it is not), it would not come from Europe. That bleak continent has been the proud home to over 80 wars. Here are a few examples:

    1208-1217 Conquest of Estonia
    1209-1229 Albigensian Crusade
    1282-1302 War of the Sicilian Vespers
    1296-1357 Wars of Scottish Independence
    1337-1453 Hundred Years' War
    1419-1434 Hussite Wars
    1455-1487 Wars of the Roses
    1522–1559 Habsburg-Valois Wars
    1558-1583 Livonian War
    1562-1598 French Wars of Religion
    1568–1648 Eighty Years' War
    1580-1583 War of the Portuguese Succession
    1585-1604 Anglo-Spanish War (1585)
    1594-1603 Nine Years War (Ireland)
    1618–1648 Thirty Years' War
    1640-1688 Portuguese Restoration War
    1642–1651 English Civil War
    1652-1674 Anglo-Dutch Wars
    1667–1668 War of Devolution
    1667–1683 Great Turkish War
    1688-1697 War of the League of Augsburg
    1700–1721 Great Northern War
    1701–1713 War of the Spanish Succession
    1718-1720 War of the Quadruple Alliance
    1740–1748 War of the Austrian Succession
    1756–1763 Seven Years' War
    1789–1799 French Revolution
    1792–1815 Napoleonic Wars
    1830-1831 Polish-Russian war
    1848-1851 First Schleswig War
    1848–1866 Italian Independence wars
    1854–1856 Crimean War
    1864 Second Schleswig War
    1864 January Uprising
    1866–1866 Austro-Prussian War
    1870–1871 Franco-Prussian War
    1877–1878 Russo–Turkish War
    1885 Serbo-Bulgarian War
    1893–1896 Cod War of 1893
    1897 First Greco–Turkish War
    1911-1912 Italo-Turkish War
    1912–1913 Balkan Wars
    1914–1918 World War I
    1916 Easter Rising
    1917–1921 Russian Civil War
    1918 Finnish Civil War
    1918–1919 Polish-Ukrainian War
    1918–1919 Greater Poland Uprising
    1918–1920 Estonian Liberation War
    1918-1920 Latvian War of Independence
    1919–1920 Czechoslovakia-Hungary War
    1919–1921 Silesian Uprisings
    1919–1921 Polish-Soviet War
    1919–1921 Anglo-Irish War
    1920 Polish-Lithuanian War
    1922–1923 Irish Civil War
    1936–1939 Spanish Civil War
    1939–1945 World War II
    1939-1940 Winter War
    1941-1944 Continuation War
    1944 Slovak National Uprising
    1946-1949 Greek Civil War
    1956 Uprising in Poznan
    1956 Soviet invasion of Hungary
    1968 Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia
    1969-1998 The Troubles of Northern Ireland
    1988-1994 Nagorno-Karabakh War
    1991-1992 War in South Ossetia
    1991-1995 Croatian War of Independence
    1992 War of Transnistria
    1992-1998 First War in Abkhazia
    1992-1995 Bosnian War
    1994–1996 First Chechen War
    1996-1999 First and Second Kosovo Wars
    1998 Second War of Abkhazia
    1999-Ongoing Second Chechen War
    2001 2001 Macedonia conflict
    2002-2007 Operation Enduring Freedom - Pankisi Gorge
    2004 2004 unrest in Kosovo
    2004 Adjara crisis
    2008 War in South Ossetia

By way of comparison, North America has experienced a quarter of the amount of conflict Europe has, and many of those had direct ties to that continent. When you add to this glowing European reputation the wonderful experience native Africans and Indians had with European colonization, you have a pretty solid example of how not to conduct your affairs.


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Conquest of Estonia? Sounds more like a boyscout day hike than a war, knamean?


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Lysander wrote:
One thing is for certain, if world peace were even possible (which it is not), it would not come from Europe. That bleak continent has been the proud home to over 80 wars. Here are a few examples:

    1208-1217 Conquest of Estonia
    1209-1229 Albigensian Crusade
    1282-1302 War of the Sicilian Vespers
    1296-1357 Wars of Scottish Independence
    1337-1453 Hundred Years' War
    1419-1434 Hussite Wars
    1455-1487 Wars of the Roses
    1522–1559 Habsburg-Valois Wars
    1558-1583 Livonian War
    1562-1598 French Wars of Religion
    1568–1648 Eighty Years' War
    1580-1583 War of the Portuguese Succession
    1585-1604 Anglo-Spanish War (1585)
    1594-1603 Nine Years War (Ireland)
    1618–1648 Thirty Years' War
    1640-1688 Portuguese Restoration War
    1642–1651 English Civil War
    1652-1674 Anglo-Dutch Wars
    1667–1668 War of Devolution
    1667–1683 Great Turkish War
    1688-1697 War of the League of Augsburg
    1700–1721 Great Northern War
    1701–1713 War of the Spanish Succession
    1718-1720 War of the Quadruple Alliance
    1740–1748 War of the Austrian Succession
    1756–1763 Seven Years' War
    1789–1799 French Revolution
    1792–1815 Napoleonic Wars
    1830-1831 Polish-Russian war
    1848-1851 First Schleswig War
    1848–1866 Italian Independence wars
    1854–1856 Crimean War
    1864 Second Schleswig War
    1864 January Uprising
    1866–1866 Austro-Prussian War
    1870–1871 Franco-Prussian War
    1877–1878 Russo–Turkish War
    1885 Serbo-Bulgarian War
    1893–1896 Cod War of 1893
    1897 First Greco–Turkish War
    1911-1912 Italo-Turkish War
    1912–1913 Balkan Wars
    1914–1918 World War I
    1916 Easter Rising
    1917–1921 Russian Civil War
    1918 Finnish Civil War
    1918–1919 Polish-Ukrainian War
    1918–1919 Greater Poland Uprising
    1918–1920 Estonian Liberation War
    1918-1920 Latvian War of Independence
    1919–1920 Czechoslovakia-Hungary War
    1919–1921 Silesian Uprisings
    1919–1921 Polish-Soviet War
    1919–1921 Anglo-Irish War
    1920 Polish-Lithuanian War
    1922–1923 Irish Civil War
    1936–1939 Spanish Civil War
    1939–1945 World War II
    1939-1940 Winter War
    1941-1944 Continuation War
    1944 Slovak National Uprising
    1946-1949 Greek Civil War
    1956 Uprising in Poznan
    1956 Soviet invasion of Hungary
    1968 Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia
    1969-1998 The Troubles of Northern Ireland
    1988-1994 Nagorno-Karabakh War
    1991-1992 War in South Ossetia
    1991-1995 Croatian War of Independence
    1992 War of Transnistria
    1992-1998 First War in Abkhazia
    1992-1995 Bosnian War
    1994–1996 First Chechen War
    1996-1999 First and Second Kosovo Wars
    1998 Second War of Abkhazia
    1999-Ongoing Second Chechen War
    2001 2001 Macedonia conflict
    2002-2007 Operation Enduring Freedom - Pankisi Gorge
    2004 2004 unrest in Kosovo
    2004 Adjara crisis
    2008 War in South Ossetia

By way of comparison, North America has experienced a quarter of the amount of conflict Europe has, and many of those had direct ties to that continent. When you add to this glowing European reputation the wonderful experience native Africans and Indians had with European colonization, you have a pretty solid example of how not to conduct your affairs.

Well maybe the fact that you're 1 country and we're 1 continent with many different countries has something to do with it.
One thing in our defense is that the war zones are shrinking and are limited to the former communist area, now former Soviet Union. We former Yugoslavian countries are done with it.

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 Post subject: Re: World Peace
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Well maybe the fact that you're 1 country and we're 1 continent with many different countries has something to do with it.


Actually, North America has 23 countries.

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One thing in our defense is that the war zones are shrinking and are limited to the former communist area, now former Soviet Union. We former Yugoslavian countries are done with it.


That is your only defense for fighting over eighty wars? That must be embarrassing.


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