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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 9:09 pm 
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ABOUT two months ago an American friend listened to a presentation by Republicans on their internal polling. The McCain people accidentally projected a PowerPoint. And very quickly whisked it off.

No wonder. It showed how things would stand if Hillary Clinton had been selected as the Democratic nominee. At a time when Obama and McCain were neck and neck, it had Hillary 10 points ahead, ascending to the White House, this time as boss.

The story confirms the gamble taken by voters in the Democratic primaries when, entranced by Obama, they propelled the junior senator from Illinois ahead of the junior senator from New York as the party's candidate for president. I was at one with Bill Clinton in thinking this gamble would not pay off.

"We don't want a black family in the White House" was one comment from a voter reported to me second-hand. It froze me with horror. In New York a Latin American migrant told me he was a registered Democrat and a Clinton supporter but he'd seen the mess that David Dinkins had made of New York. Dinkins, mayor from 1990 to 1993, was an African-American. Obama, in this Democrat's view, would do the same to the country. He was voting for McCain.

We've all been educated in the Bradley effect - namely, that a percentage of white voters will tell pollsters they intend to vote for a black candidate but in the privacy of the voting booths do the opposite.

It originated in the 1982 defeat of black Tom Bradley for governor of California - 15 points ahead in the LA Times poll three days before the election he was defeated 45 per cent to 55 per cent. Estimated as being capable of slicing off 10 per cent of the vote, the Bradley effect is suggested as the reason for the slim victory margins of Dinkins and the black governor of Virginia, Douglas Wilder, in 1989 - despite their comfortable leads in the polls.

The brutal truth is that Obama's was not the ideal biography for someone seeking to vault over three centuries of race prejudice. There's the Arabic name: Barack Hussein Obama. And the stubborn ignorance that has Americans insisting he is a Muslim. There are the 20 years spent in the congregation of the Reverend Jeremiah Wright. Above all, the absence of executive experience.

None of the above need count. Except that whites in the South stopped voting Democrat in 1968 in protest at Lyndon Johnson giving votes to blacks and the Democratic party desegregating. Race was the magic that turned the South Republican for 40 years. Remember, too, only 18 per cent of the American population have passports (compared with about half Australians) and are fed by a media that reports celebrities above news of the world. Their working class is crushed and demoralised, besotted with gun ownership and ole time religion. Colin Powell, war hero and conservative, would have been a better bet to break the habits of prejudice.

By the middle of the year, polls confirmed the election was becoming a referendum on Obama. Six years into an unpopular war and in the middle of what was then a modest recession, everything suggested the election should be about George Bush, not the Democratic candidate.

A narrow McCain win was - for realists and pessimists - more likely, especially as the incumbent party generally catches up in the last week of a campaign.

Then came September 15. Lehman Brothers filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. At 9am John McCain said in Jacksonville: "The fundamentals of our economy are strong." The ensuing full-blown, epoch-making economic crisis propelled Obama ahead. Economics dominates the election.

To be fair, it was Obama's coolness under fire that seemed to clinch the deal, especially in the three debates in which he held his own and pressed every advantage.

Michael Kelly, an Australian who teaches speech communication, describes the Obama voice as smooth, deep, lyrical, with the use of swinging cadence to "entertain the ear", stringing words and phrases together like a jazz musician.

It was deliberate. Obama knew he had to prove to whites an African-American need not be angry, aggressive, emotional.

The first Africans arrived in America in 1619. This was a full year before the Mayflower. Yet America has been coming to terms with their presence ever since.

Its constitution contradicted the Declaration of Independence to accommodate slavery. The country then fought a civil war to end it. For a century the South fenced in black citizens behind Jim Crow laws that enforced segregation. In the 1950s blacks insisted on due process in the constitutional courts. The nation yielded to black pressure for equality.

In 1968, Martin Luther King jnr was cut down by racists and the "nigger lover" Robert Kennedy followed King to a martyr's grave.

If an African American wins the November 4 election there will be no avoiding the symbolism.

Abraham Lincoln once warned Americans: "We cannot escape history. We of this Congress and this administration will be remembered in spite of ourselves."

Economic suffering may overtake the last redoubts of race prejudice. And some Americans - in spite of themselves - may do something to make their friends cheer.


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I posted the whole article because it is an interesting outsider piece on the US election, but I'm stunned that passport ownership in the US is so low.

I figured it would be slim but woah.


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 Post subject: Re: Is this for real?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 9:23 pm 
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Our country takes up most of a continent.

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And not to sound defensive, but the racism that shocked and appalled the author so much (and which he seems to imply is an American phenomenon) is readily apparent in most every European country, Asia, Australia and pretty much everywhere else.

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i'm sorry, but that's a really horrible article.
it is the perfect example of European elitism(which is not a phrase I like throwing around, but it fits in this case)
"the working class" paragraph is incredibly ignorant; saying that religion or guns are necessarily bad is not going to win over anyone who doesn't already agree with your POV.

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dkfan9 wrote:
i'm sorry, but that's a really horrible article.
it is the perfect example of European elitism(which is not a phrase I like throwing around, but it fits in this case)
"the working class" paragraph is incredibly ignorant; saying that religion or guns are necessarily bad is not going to win over anyone who doesn't already agree with your POV.



European ?
And seriously, "saying that religion or guns are necessarily bad is not going to win over anyone who doesn't already agree with your POV", that might be true, but if that's what he thinks, well i guess he should say it.


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European elitism, I'm a fan.


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 Post subject: Re: Is this for real?
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They only recently made passports a requirement to travel to Canada and Mexico. It is sad that Americans travel abroad less, but we travel around our country a lot.

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Btw, I did not know the McCain campaign had access to a What If machine. You'd think they would have used it before they picked Palin.

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It isn't a great piece of journalism and I don't think zeb posted it for that purpose, but the notion of it being "classic European elitism" is laughable. Not least for the fact that it isn't a great piece of journalism. It clearly wasn't written by Jurgen Habermas.

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Orpheus wrote:
They only recently made passports a requirement to travel to Canada and Mexico. It is sad that Americans travel abroad less, but we travel around our country a lot.


Yeah, it would make sense for Europeans to have more passports, since there are SO many countries within ground-travel distance. Travel out of the US almost always requires an airplane and is WAY more expensive than being able to hop a train or even just in a car.

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NaiveAndTrue wrote:
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They only recently made passports a requirement to travel to Canada and Mexico. It is sad that Americans travel abroad less, but we travel around our country a lot.


Yeah, it would make sense for Europeans to have more passports, since there are SO many countries within ground-travel distance. Travel out of the US almost always requires an airplane and is WAY more expensive than being able to hop a train or even just in a car.


I think it's safe to infer that the piece was written by an Australian and posted on the internet by a Queenslander (which just about qualifies as an Australian).

How did Europe get involved in all of this? Those DAMNED EUROPEANS AND THEIR FROG LEG EATING WAYS!!!

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It's something crazy like 80% of all Americans don't own a passport but my thing is, if you live in America, you don't need a passport..you've got the most beautiful jawdropping country..really..it's got everything! ok i know that's not the reason Americans don't own passports but it really is..it'd be great if everyone over there had a larger broader world view, but in fairness you don't need one..it's all there..

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dimejinky99 wrote:
It's something crazy like 80% of all Americans don't own a passport but my thing is, if you live in America, you don't need a passport..you've got the most beautiful jawdropping country..really..it's got everything! ok i know that's not the reason Americans don't own passports but it really is..it'd be great if everyone over there had a larger broader world view, but in fairness you don't need one..it's all there..


I won't argue with the fact that your country is beautiful and there's a lot to see and experience but there's so much more out there in terms of diversity of culture and food, and landscape and history.

Seriously, there's no real excuse. ;)

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shades-go-down wrote:
I think it's safe to infer that the piece was written by an Australian and posted on the internet by a Queenslander (which just about qualifies as an Australian).


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shades-go-down wrote:
I think it's safe to infer that the piece was written by an Australian and posted on the internet by a Queenslander (which just about qualifies as an Australian).


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California is a stunningly beautiful place. Specially San Diego and San Francisco.

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zeb wrote:
shades-go-down wrote:
I think it's safe to infer that the piece was written by an Australian and posted on the internet by a Queenslander (which just about qualifies as an Australian).


8)


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shades-go-down wrote:
NaiveAndTrue wrote:
Orpheus wrote:
They only recently made passports a requirement to travel to Canada and Mexico. It is sad that Americans travel abroad less, but we travel around our country a lot.


Yeah, it would make sense for Europeans to have more passports, since there are SO many countries within ground-travel distance. Travel out of the US almost always requires an airplane and is WAY more expensive than being able to hop a train or even just in a car.


I think it's safe to infer that the piece was written by an Australian and posted on the internet by a Queenslander (which just about qualifies as an Australian).

How did Europe get involved in all of this? Those DAMNED EUROPEANS AND THEIR FROG LEG EATING WAYS!!!


Hmmmm,
frog legs, in english it sounds so ... I don't know... not as good as they taste. :)


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Seeing other countries is pretty much fantastic. I will say that I was a thousand times more amazed and effected by seeing Russia in '99 than Europe in '94....but I wouldn't trade either experience for anything in the world. Spending weeks in a place where the letters were different, and the culture was coming from such a different place, really made it easy to see my country with fresh eyes. Traveling within America is cool, but doesn't compare by any measure.


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