interesting: http://www.weforum.org/en/Communities/W ... /index.htm

My country is in the top 10 now but I haven't looked into the details yet. I know there still is a huge gap between the average income of men and women .

groetjes,
Mirella

wutever. try going to a (straight) bar and having someone buy a drink for you if you have a penis.

chics, much like africa, get all the breaks.

Is it wrong for men and women to naturally choose to fill different kinds of jobs that possibly have different levels of pay?

Does every profession in existence need to have a roughly 50/50 distribution of men and women for the world to be fair?

you didn't know that the pro-choice mantra doesn't extend to the labor market (pun intended)?


no. the criteria of fairness is only met when income has roughly been distribued evenly.

personally, i can't believe how unfairly male supermodels are paid.

Disparity within careers...where experience and education is equal...is almost nonexistant. Most of the gap has to do with the types of jobs each sex tend towards, which in many countries is relevant due to social limitations.

No to both, in my opinion. But it is wrong when women get paid less just because they are women, or because they have a job that is typically done by them. Equal work should be paid equally. I'm all for more money for male models (if there market would be as big as the one for the female models) and everybody should be able to do what they like best. Most jobs don't require a penis .
And it's not income alone, it's also education and lots more.

groetjes,
Mirella (still did not have the time to read the report)

I partly disagree here. I know plenty of companies who still pay their male empoyees more because they 'have to support a family', or just because they are better in negotiating. It's easy to hide if you add people in different function groups while they are actually doing the same work.

groetjes,
Mirella

My mother made much more money than my father.

employers also must factor in that women are more likely to take a leave of absence and/or leave the job because of pregnancy and a desire to raise a family. but as you mentioned, self-selection is the largest determinant. women earn 98 percent of what men do when controlled for experience, education, and number of years on the job, or so says this study.

The point is, that it is different in every country (maybe also different per state in the US). There's a lot to be gained, looking at it on a world scale. The Netherlands score only 0.60 on wage equality for similar work, and the USA is better on that point with 0.69. 1 is equal.

groetjes,
Mirella

That "statistic" is pretty much arbitrary.

In what way(s)?

groetjes,
Mirella

Well, it's a conglomerate of various women/men ratios that by themselves don't mean anything. Ratio of women to men in government positions, female life expectancy vs. male life expectancy, female birth rate vs. male birth rate, female educational attainment vs. male educational attainment--things that can be heavily influenced by nature and/or the free will of the female. It just seems like they took every data point they could find, no matter how useless, weighted them in some "index", and passed it off as a useful indicator.

wait...you mean to tell me that that ISN'T the way to conduct a study?

the point is that there is no reason why on average woman shouldn't be earning as much as men (even if counting childbirth years off, it'd would make just a little difference, not the huge one we get).
the fact that there's far less women in top level jobs is what brings the average down.

But there's no good reason for that either, women are as smart and capable of holding good jobs. problem is many professions and particularly management levels are boys club and women find it much harder to get promotions.
It's often, rightly, said a woman has to be twice as good as a man to make it to those top jobs.

Also it's not so much woman lack of ambition as society low expectations that re-enforce the gender bias (the 'it's not a woman's job' factor, that even a lot of woman buy-in)

this is a fruitless arguement with most men. They will forever tell women that we are the ones responsible for not making as much money as them and give you this kind of bullshit in response to what you have to say- regardless of what your, and the majority of women's experience has been in the working world.
They are comfortable with the idea that they make more money than women and have come up with any number of excus... er... I mean reasons why this is the case, most of which fall squarely on women's shoulders about why.
and then when women fail to agree with them, they come back with petty insults and attacks on what you know to be true based on experience.

fuck 'em, that's my opinion. They don't know shit about working in business as women and never will, I'm sure they get all kinds of secret and perverse glee knowing they make more money based on their genitals.

*waits for sun devil and thodoks to tell me how very wrong I am*

Quite wrong, I'd say.

hey, it's video friday. i'll let thomas sowell do the talking.

Is sexism the primary reason for a lack of women in select scientific fields? Is this an issue of preference?

For pure maths and physics, there's arguments that men's brains are more apt at those, but even if true on average, that's still not enough to explain the massive difference in the field.
sexism (boy club, esp as science is peer-review driven), gender stereotype rather than preference (science is not a 'girl' subject apparently..unless it's biology ..yet at school levels, girls outperform boys there too)