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I want to pick up once more the topic about this guy.Is more a question actually.He was fired cause he was happy with his life in the band and with this popularity thing.Right?He used to like this thing of being famous.He was just enjoying life and he had no problems in giving interviews cause he didnt feel he was being attacked.I mean,he was not Britney spears but he was no Ed,i mean he liked being in the band.(the perfect axample is watch how happy was him everytime he was playing.He used to like it soo much)So Ed,that didnt agree with this and he felt attacked and was really wanting to be angry and putting angry faces,he didnt like a guy that is happy.Can it be tell like this?
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there has been some indications of that i guess, but their probably just excuses, he probably just didn't like the guy period. It's tough being in a band with a guy that you don't like. And you couldn't get rid of Ed so........
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I think it was Ed excreting his control over the band. I believe he instituted a media ban and no one was supposed to do interviews and Dave did a drummer magazine thing and Eddie freaked....I would think Ed regrets firing Dave...probably not cause he wishes he could still play with him, but rather because firing Dave was a dick move...
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Found this one wiki:
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Abbruzzese was fired in August 1994 due to personality conflicts with the band members.[5] Ament stated, "Dave was a different egg for sure. There were a lot of things, personality wise, where I didn't see eye to eye with him. He was more comfortable being a rock star than the rest of us. Partying, girls, cars. I don't know if anyone was in the same space."[5] Gossard said, "It was the nature of how the politics worked in our band: It was up to me to say, 'Hey, we tried, it's not working; time to move on.' On a superficial level, it was a political struggle: For whatever reason his ability to communicate with Ed and Jeff was very stifled. I certainly don't think it was all Dave Abrruzzese's fault that it was stifled."[5] Abbruzzese stated, "I didn't really agree with what was going on. I didn't agree with the Ticketmaster stuff at all. But I don't blame anyone or harbor any hard feelings. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't furious and hurt for a long time. But now I just wish there was more music from the band I was a part of."
And that's about all there is, just personal differences.
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joostone wrote:
Found this one wiki:
Quote:
Abbruzzese was fired in August 1994 due to personality conflicts with the band members.[5] Ament stated, "Dave was a different egg for sure. There were a lot of things, personality wise, where I didn't see eye to eye with him. He was more comfortable being a rock star than the rest of us. Partying, girls, cars. I don't know if anyone was in the same space."[5] Gossard said, "It was the nature of how the politics worked in our band: It was up to me to say, 'Hey, we tried, it's not working; time to move on.' On a superficial level, it was a political struggle: For whatever reason his ability to communicate with Ed and Jeff was very stifled. I certainly don't think it was all Dave Abrruzzese's fault that it was stifled."[5] Abbruzzese stated, "I didn't really agree with what was going on. I didn't agree with the Ticketmaster stuff at all. But I don't blame anyone or harbor any hard feelings. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't furious and hurt for a long time. But now I just wish there was more music from the band I was a part of."
And that's about all there is, just personal differences.
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In recent years, I've come to be of the opinion that Dave was a terrific drummer. Firing him seems like one of stupidest decisions made by the band and really makes Ed come off as a gigantic crybaby.
He was truly the backbone of the band during Vs. and Vitalogy. From his work on Vitalogy, there was nothing to suggest he wouldn't have coped admirably with the more experimental work the band wanted to try.
I also love Jack's work in the band, don't get me wrong - I think Jack was brilliant on his stuff with the band but he never played the early material as well as Dave did.
I know it's pretty damn obvious Stone felt very uncomfortable getting rid of Dave, I often wonder how the rest of the band really felt about it.
I don't think there is a lot of mystery to why they cut Dave loose. He really didn't fit in. All of the members agreed that he was a great drummer but there wasn't a personality match. From most accounts, it seems Dave, Stone and Mike got along pretty well but that him and Jeff never really clicked and Eddie just flat out didn't like him very much.
1994 had a lot of internal strife with the band, Eddie not dealing well with the fame, considering breaking up the band etc. But the other members were also becoming estranged from each other. I don't think there was some group meeting where everyone said "Dave is doing too much press, acting like a rock star etc." I think Eddie just wanted to bring his friend Jack Irons on board and wanted to steer the Pearl Jam ship in a different direction.
Also, most of the band has suggested that Jack was somewhat of a mediator and conduit who brought the individual members back together. Its like Eddie said at Jack's first official show in Jan 1995: "Jack Irons saved the life of this band."
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drifting away wrote:
Green Romance is actually is pretty good CD.
I don't think there is a lot of mystery to why they cut Dave loose. He really didn't fit in. All of the members agreed that he was a great drummer but there wasn't a personality match. From most accounts, it seems Dave, Stone and Mike got along pretty well but that him and Jeff never really clicked and Eddie just flat out didn't like him very much.
1994 had a lot of internal strife with the band, Eddie not dealing well with the fame, considering breaking up the band etc. But the other members were also becoming estranged from each other. I don't think there was some group meeting where everyone said "Dave is doing too much press, acting like a rock star etc." I think Eddie just wanted to bring his friend Jack Irons on board and wanted to steer the Pearl Jam ship in a different direction.
Also, most of the band has suggested that Jack was somewhat of a mediator and conduit who brought the individual members back together. Its like Eddie said at Jack's first official show in Jan 1995: "Jack Irons saved the life of this band."
yeah, i don't think the band would have survived without the change. It sucks but i'd rather have Pearl Jam plus drummer, than no Pearl Jam at all.
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spenno wrote:
In recent years, I've come to be of the opinion that Dave was a terrific drummer. Firing him seems like one of stupidest decisions made by the band and really makes Ed come off as a gigantic crybaby.
im kinda dumbfounded by opinions like this when there is a quote from jeff ament saying their personalities didnt mesh.
i never read the quote from dave about the ticketmaster thing. makes me even happier they fired him
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But is really funny that the band is now behaving like dave used too.Ed is now on stage having fun and enjoying.They are now more relax.Dave was naturally like this.Maybe he was already mature at that age.So if he was this mature at 23 or so,and Ed is like him now,with 44,that means that Dave is in his spiritual age,65.How many wisdom he got in that Gas Station he worked in?Maybe he was with Yoda.
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warehouse wrote:
rickson wrote:
But is really funny that the band is now behaving like dave used too.
knocking up models?
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I wonder what No Code would have sounded like with him.
As a Dave A supporter, and a drummer of 25 years, I can easily say that No Code would not have been recorded with Dave, simply for his style. If Dave were not fired, it probably would have sounded like a continuation of Vs and Vitalogy (which would have been fine with me).
I think them hiring a friend as the drummer made for a laid-back writing experience, and may have kept them together too. Plus, while I'm not a particular fan of Jack's abilities on their earlier catalog, or live (probably affected by his carpal tunnel), I think that songs like GTF, IMT and Red M would not have been recorded if Jack were not in the band. Jack had such a "bohemian style" of playing that was a little too "Meg White" to me, but with the song writing of No Code built around that, it makes No Code a stand-out album. This is also why Jack sounds so good playing Jack songs - because they are around his own unique groove.
I think that PJ was looking to scale their popularity back, and their change in musical direction (spawned from their change of drummers) accommodated that - plus I think some members wanted a friend in the band, regardless of how differently the songs were performed.
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