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 Post subject: NY Gov. Proposes "Obesity Tax" on Non-Diet Sodas
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Governor Paterson proposes 'Obesity Tax,' a tax on non-diet sodas

BY GLENN BLAIN and KENNETH LOVETT
DAILY NEWS ALBANY BUREAU

ALBANY - A can of Coke could soon cost New Yorkers more than just calories.

Gov. Paterson, as part of a $121 billion budget to be unveiled Tuesday, will propose an "obesity tax" of about 15% on nondiet drinks.


This means a Diet Coke might sell for a $1 - even as the same size bottle of its calorie-rich alter ego would go for $1.15.

Paterson's budget also calls for a 3% cut in education spending, a $620-a-year tuition hike at SUNY and a $600 increase at CUNY - and about $3.5 billion in health care cuts, a source said.


The Democratic governor will not call for a broad-based income tax boost, but he will push to restore the sales tax on clothing and footwear.

The drastic belt-tightening comes as lawmakers struggle to close a $15 billion deficit this year and next.

"It's painful to make these decisions," Paterson said Sunday.

State employees again will be asked to forgo their 3% raises next year and defer five days' pay until they leave their jobs, the source said. In all, Paterson will propose about $9 billion in cuts, $4 billion in new taxes and fees, and $1.5 billion in nonrecurring revenue, a second source said.

The so-called obesity tax would generate an estimated $404 million a year. Milk, juice, diet soda and bottled water would be exempt from the tax.


"I'll just buy less," said Victor Lopez, 55, of Manhattan, as he drank a Coke at a midtown Subway store.

"I don't like to buy Diet Coke," said Amaury Garcia, 16, who works at a flower shop in Penn Station. "I'll just not buy any sodas if it goes up."

Public health advocates welcomed news of the tax, saying it would help the fight against childhood obesity.

"Raising the price of this liquid candy will put children and teens on a path to a healthier diet," said Elie Ward of the American Academy of Pediatrics of New York State.


The Paterson administration also announced steps yesterday to expand the state's social services net, including a 30% increase in welfare payments over three years starting January 2010, increased money for food banks and expanded access to the state's Family Health Plus program.

Paterson also hopes to make it easier for people to enroll in Medicaid by eliminating face-to-face interviews and fingerprinting requirements.

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2008/12/14/2008-12-14_governor_paterson_proposes_obesity_tax_a-1.html


Good idea or bad idea?

I love the first comment...

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If New York State really wanted to make money, they would put a tax on sex and cocaine, but that'll never happen because our Governor loves sex and cocaine.


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 Post subject: Re: NY Gov. Proposes "Obesity Tax" on Non-Diet Sodas
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what about iced tea?!

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 Post subject: Re: NY Gov. Proposes "Obesity Tax" on Non-Diet Sodas
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corduroy_blazer wrote:
what about iced tea?!


Or beer?

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I'm going to say yes, YES, YES, mainly to piss off the libertarians. Great fucking idea, I hope it passes and upsets a lot of people who will care less in a year. That shit is terrible for you. I had an orange soda today at lunch for the first time in a few weeks and felt like bloated and disgusting for an hour afterwards.

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Even if it's horrible for you that is still ridiculous. And I say this as a former soda addict who hasn't had a sip of soda in 11 weeks.

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Americans drink way too much of this shit, everybody in the world knows this. Tax the motherfuckers.

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What about the people who drink soda in moderation?

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what about them

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flavdave wrote:
What about the people who drink soda in moderation?

what we need is a system that keeps track of individual soda consumption and taxes proportionately.

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i'd rather tax soda than cut whole subway lines, to be honest.

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corduroy_blazer wrote:
flavdave wrote:
What about the people who drink soda in moderation?

what we need is a system that keeps track of individual soda consumption and taxes proportionately.


yes, "its called people who buy this shit get taxed"

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what about them


Why should I be taxed if I can handle my shit?

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They should tax bottled water. Manufacturing bottled water is a complete waste.

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flavdave wrote:
glorified_version wrote:
what about them


Why should I be taxed if I can handle my shit?


Unfortunately, you can't just tax the obese.

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They should tax bottled water. Manufacturing bottled water is a complete waste.


I've agreed with this too.

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glorified_version wrote:
flavdave wrote:
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what about them


Why should I be taxed if I can handle my shit?


Unfortunately, you can't just tax the obese.


what about some sort of weight ID card that one must show when making purchases? or just the eye of the seller judging customers?

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That's fucking bullshit to the highest degree. What next, extra taxes for everyone under 40? Fucking fascists.

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Instead of making bad foods more expensive, make healthy foods easier to afford. So why not offer tax breaks to companies that produce and sell healthy foods?

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corduroy_blazer wrote:
glorified_version wrote:
flavdave wrote:
glorified_version wrote:
what about them


Why should I be taxed if I can handle my shit?


Unfortunately, you can't just tax the obese.


what about some sort of weight ID card that one must show when making purchases? or just the eye of the seller judging customers?


Now you're getting into legal mumbo-jumbo which I'm not as familiar with. Basically what you're proposing is totally discriminatory and illegal.

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flavdave wrote:
Instead of making bad foods more expensive, make healthy foods easier to afford. So why not offer tax breaks to companies that produce and sell healthy foods?


This is actually a great idea but I'm assuming it happens already in some places, to some degree.

Considering most states are bankrupt though, they're going to have to do something about budget shortfalls and cutting certain costs is not likely. Also, let's not forget that a tax like this is a lever that can be pulled in an attempt to reform various social ills. This is so minor, there will simply be no push to stop it. Instead people will bitch at the dinner table which in turn could lead to productive discussions about eating habits, in turn leading people to change those eating habits either given the tax or a new-found awareness about what exactly they're eating. Because ultimately that's partially what it does and we need more things like this when dealing with society's major problems like overeating, over-consumption, and the environment.

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Jammer91 wrote:
That's fucking bullshit to the highest degree. What next, extra taxes for everyone under 40? Fucking fascists.


Congratulations, Jammer, this opinion is such bullshit that it's no wonder things like weed are illegal because you're basically reinforcing a stupid apathetic and reactionary stereotype here. You'll sit on your stoned ass and drink fucking Mountain Dew all day and bitch about having to pay an extra 50 cents at the grocery store to drink carbonated syrup without ever doing a goddamn thing about it. Chances are they'll be spending your taxes on some anti-drug propaganda which they'll use to keep oppressing you with, and it serves you fucking right.

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