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Twins not his, but man must pay child support

A Toronto-area man must continue paying child support to his former wife despite DNA tests proving he is not the biological father of her 16-year-old twins, an Ontario Superior Court judge has ruled.

Pasqualino Cornelio will also not recoup any of the child-support money he paid out since the couple separated a decade ago, Justice Katherine van Rensburg wrote in her decision.

In making her recent ruling, the judge referred to a 1999 Supreme Court of Canada decision that said if someone acts as a parent and provides support for a child during a marriage, they are obliged to continue that financial support after separation or divorce -- even if the child is not biologically theirs.

"While the failure of Ms. Cornelio to disclose to her husband the fact that she had an extramarital affair and that the twins might not be his biological children may well have been a moral wrong against Mr. Cornelio, it is a wrong that does not afford him a legal remedy to recover child support he has already paid, and that does not permit him to stop paying child support," Judge van Rensburg wrote.

Mr. Cornelio had argued his former spouse, Anciolina Cornelio, provided him with "incomplete and misleading information" that led him to believe he was the biological father of the twins.

He told the court his ex-wife failed to disclose an extramarital affair before the twins' birth, concealing the fact that he may not be their father.

Mr. Cornelio was seeking repayment of the child support he paid out since the couple separated in 1998, or at least from May of 2002, when the pair agreed to joint custody and child support.

But the judge pointed out that Mr. Cornelio knew at the time of separation that his wife had an extramarital affair with someone named Tony, who may have fathered the twins -- but he sought joint custody regardless. He only began pursuing the issue after Ms. Cornelio began seeking increased child-support payments, the judge noted.

Ms. Cornelio had told the court that she did not know the identity of the twins' biological father, saying she had no memory of an extramarital affair prior to their birth. She attributed the memory lapse to medication she was taking at the time.

Citing precedent, Judge van Rensburg said her ruling was based on the best interests of the children.

"The right to child support is the right of a child, and is independent of a parent's own conduct," she wrote, noting that Mr. Cornelio was the only father the twins knew during the course of the marriage and that they developed a "natural relationship between a parent and his children."

"The fact of that relationship, which continued for six years before separation and then for 10 years after separation, even if it has now become strained, is sufficient to require Mr. Cornelio to continue to contribute toward the children's material needs," Judge van Rensburg wrote.


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He treated them as his kids, and them as their dad, for all those years.
THAT's what being parent mean, regardless of genetics, and therefore he should continue to act like one and pay for their education.

What next? adopters taht divorce wouldn't have to support the kids either? :shake:

(on the other hand, I don't think that a genetic father that had no decision on the kids being born and never raised them should pay for child support..unless he forced the mother of course.)

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Well, if he wants to keep on support the kids,great. But by no means he should be enforced to.

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Pegasus wrote:
He treated them as his kids, and them as their dad, for all those years.
THAT's what being parent mean, regardless of genetics, and therefore he should continue to act like one and pay for their education.

What next? adopters taht divorce wouldn't have to support the kids either? :shake:

(on the other hand, I don't think that a genetic father that had no decision on the kids being born and never raised them should pay for child support..unless he forced the mother of course.)



The adopters would have had a choice in the decision to become a parent.
To hold a man accountable to pay for children that Are not his is probably one of the absolute greatest injustices in our society.. the general, overall treatment of men when it comes to parental and marital rights.

He took care of the kids because he was taking responsibility for his actions. He did what was right based on the information he had. The fact he took care of those kids for 16 years should not obligate him to do it for longer, in fact, the only role that should play is if he wants to continue visitation and the woman wont let him.

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Pegasus wrote:
He treated them as his kids, and them as their dad, for all those years.
THAT's what being parent mean, regardless of genetics, and therefore he should continue to act like one and pay for their education.

What next? adopters taht divorce wouldn't have to support the kids either? :shake:

(on the other hand, I don't think that a genetic father that had no decision on the kids being born and never raised them should pay for child support..unless he forced the mother of course.)


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I'd like to see this man sue the mother for fraud. Then I'd like to see him sue the bio-father of the kids for 10+ years of child support.

The mother has committed fraud in my eyes. That the court upholds tis fraud in the name of the children is a farce. And people wonder why there's next to no respect for our courts.

I think ideal justice would see the kids sue their mom for fraud as well.

I think a proper justice system would arrest the mother for extortion, fruad or some such thing. If what she did is not illegal it should be made illegal.

Just another instance of the mysandry so deeply entrenched in our courts and justice system.


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So basically, you're saying that the kids he raised and supported and considered his for all those years, and I would presume/hope, loved, now means nothing to him just because he's found out he's not their biological father?
I'm sorry but he's still their Dad! That's what the ruling means.

I'm not defending the mother, she's a cow too lying to him and her kids, but that's not a reason to punish the kids even further.

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With better protection from the law, women should also have increased responsibility. I think there should be some kind of mechanism by which even the biological father does not have to pay child support if they objected to having the baby. In this day and age there are too many ways to not get pregnant, if women have 100% right to choose to have the baby, they should be ready to take 100% responsibility.

There are so many ways men can get screwed by women and there is no protection at all for them. Women can lie about being on birth control. They can lie about being pregnant. They can lie about who the father is. These things can earn women an extra paycheck for the next 18 years, and that isn't right.

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Pegasus wrote:
So basically, you're saying that the kids he raised and supported and considered his for all those years, and I would presume/hope, loved, now means nothing to him just because he's found out he's not their biological father?
I'm sorry but he's still their Dad! That's what the ruling means.

I'm not defending the mother, she's a cow too lying to him and her kids, but that's not a reason to punish the kids even further.

No, he's not their Dad.

And why does everything have to be punishing with you? Anything remotely negative is a "punishment" being "inflicted" by someone.

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Buffalohed wrote:
Pegasus wrote:
So basically, you're saying that the kids he raised and supported and considered his for all those years, and I would presume/hope, loved, now means nothing to him just because he's found out he's not their biological father?
I'm sorry but he's still their Dad! That's what the ruling means.

I'm not defending the mother, she's a cow too lying to him and her kids, but that's not a reason to punish the kids even further.

No, he's not their Dad.

And why does everything have to be punishing with you? Anything remotely negative is a "punishment" being "inflicted" by someone.

yes he IS.
Dad is who raises you. Father is whose semen you come from.
You can very well call Dad someone that's not your father! I did, and Mum too!
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With better protection from the law, women should also have increased responsibility. I think there should be some kind of mechanism by which even the biological father does not have to pay child support if they objected to having the baby. In this day and age there are too many ways to not get pregnant, if women have 100% right to choose to have the baby, they should be ready to take 100% responsibility.

There are so many ways men can get screwed by women and there is no protection at all for them. Women can lie about being on birth control. They can lie about being pregnant. They can lie about who the father is. These things can earn women an extra paycheck for the next 18 years, and that isn't right.

That I already said I agree.
If the woman wants to keep the kid and the guy doesn't, then she should take sole responsibility for it.
(otoh, if the guy agrees, then changes his mind when it's too late, then he has to assume).

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Acting as a parent to a child who you KNOW is not yours is vastly different from supporting a child because someone lied and told you that the child was yours.

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Pegasus wrote:
So basically, you're saying that the kids he raised and supported and considered his for all those years, and I would presume/hope, loved, now means nothing to him just because he's found out he's not their biological father?
I'm sorry but he's still their Dad! That's what the ruling means.

I'm not defending the mother, she's a cow too lying to him and her kids, but that's not a reason to punish the kids even further.


Look, I'm not saying the guy should, or does, all of a sudden hate the kids who he has supported for 16 years. That's unlikely. And if he wants to help support them a bit still because he loves them, that wouldn't be surprising either. (Although I can almost guarantee you that any support he gave them would be directly to the kids, in the form of clothes or or gadgets, etc; IE, thinks for the kids, not money that the mother suddenly obtains for free that she can spend at her discretion.) But for him to be compelled to render full child support payments on kids that are not his, that is just absurd.

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yes he IS.
Dad is who raises you. Father is whose semen you come from.
You can very well call Dad someone that's not your father! I did, and Mum too!

You seem to have some difficulty separating morality from legality. Of course he is morally responsible for the kids, and I would bet he does not want to sever his relationship with them. However, the mother extracted money from him under a pretense. That's fraud, and she should have to pay him back. He shouldn't be forced to support them by the law, but of course he has a moral obligation to the kids and I would hope he would do the right thing by them.

I don't really know what the birth father should have to do in this case. He might not have known the kids were his own, in which case he saved money but was robbed of his children.

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The money is not necessarily going to the kids anyway, it most likely goes through the courts to the mother. So in effect the mother is using his relationship with the children to extort money from him. Sounds incredibly fair to me! Now someone explain again why an increasing number of men don't want to get married?

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Both of them sound like total deadbeats--the father is too much of a dick to care about these kids anymore just because they're not biologically his, and the woman "doesn't remember having an affair" because she was on pills? Give me a break. :shake:

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The money is not necessarily going to the kids anyway, it most likely goes through the courts to the mother. So in effect the mother is using his relationship with the children to extort money from him. Sounds incredibly fair to me! Now someone explain again why an increasing number of men don't want to get married?

well unless you expect kids to pay the mortgage, the bills, do all the shopping and set up a school fund, of course the money goes to the mother!
That's child support we're talking about, not alimony (I'm mostly against alimony, except in very specific, and rather rare, cases).

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You seem to have some difficulty separating morality from legality. Of course he is morally responsible for the kids, and I would bet he does not want to sever his relationship with them. However, the mother extracted money from him under a pretense. That's fraud, and she should have to pay him back. He shouldn't be forced to support them by the law, but of course he has a moral obligation to the kids and I would hope he would do the right thing by them.


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After those kids turn 18, she should have to pay alimony to him until every penny is paid back. She can support him for 18 years.

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Interesting thread. I'm sure the guy doesn't want his money going to his cheating, lying, wife. I doubt he will cut the kids off...unless they are brats.

You could argue that his relationship with his kids is like "palimony" and even if they aren't his, spending so much time with them over the years means he has to support them. I don't agree with that.

In the end, the judge figured the kids will be broke and screwed because their piece of shit mother lied to this man and he probably felt that the kids shouldn't be punished for a piece of shit mother.

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bart d. wrote:
You seem to have some difficulty separating morality from legality.

Well, the judge ruled it was not just moral but legal!

there's lots of times when divorce law is screwed, but this isn't one of them.

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