should he be fired?

what he did, while i can understand the frustration, was inexusabele. if you feel your team is getting beat up like cheney thought his was (i didnt see the game so i cant say one way or the other) sure youre going to be pissed off, and maybe you send in a player to set some hard hard screens. but to put in a player to do what he did is completely a black eye to the game. had this been knight, people would say he should be fired instantly, but it seems everyones giving him (cheney) a free pass cause of his blackness and what he means to the city/program of philly/temple.

and while seeing his bug-eyed self screaming how he was going to kill callipari a decade or so ago was hysterical in and of itself, it just shows this guy is as out there as bob knight ever was

well, 10 years ago he and Bob Knight were going deep in to the tournaments every year. This has nothing to do with racism, rather more to do with senility. Cheney was temporarily insane. Complaining moving screens not being called is similar to getting bent out of shape about holding in football. No reason whatsoever to send the "good squad" out there, and even if you did, why would you tell anyone about it? That "goon" fouled out in 5 minutes and broke a kids arm on Cheney's orders. Sure, he should get canned. Just like Woody Hayes got canned when he ran out on the field and tackled that player from Clemson when they were kicking Ohio States ass.

Temples record is pretty shitty of late, and he pulls this nut job stuff.

Having a shitty record combined with idiot moves like that one don't equal steady employment.

While I don't doubt "the goon squad" has been implemented by countless other coaches at times, no one had the balls to come out and say that's what they were doing.

I would not be suprised to see Cheney get sued royally here.

If that happens I think he'll probably be fired or at least asked to retire at the end of this or next season.

He is a legend, especially in the A 10 but his teams are not what they once were, and that may play a role in his being ushered out early.

Yeah ok, Rush.

I don't want to see Cheney get fired, but with the way Temple and the A-10 have come down hard on him, I think he might at the end of the season.

did woody hayes run out on the field, or was it just something on the sidelines. i think i might be remembering something different here

A clemson player was about to score running up the sideline when woody ran out on to the field and tackled him.

It's one of the funniest things ever if you aren't an ohio state fan I guess.

Hilarious. He just runs out and mugs him.

ahhh just like del harris' screen on micheal adams

Let's be honest -- while Woody Hayes was technically "on the field," he was about one yard on the field next to the sideline.

Nevetheless, I'm surprised it took someone almost 5 days to start this thread.

I was listening to ESPN radio this morning and heard countless basketball heads lauding Cheney for "playing by the rules" and "mentoring kids." Because of this, they were saying he should be cut some slack.

I say that's bullshit. Isn't playing by the rules and mentoring kids part of a coach's job? Isn't that, in addition to winning, what they are hired to do? Why are we commending this? That's like my boss ordering me to punch a judge (well, not quite). I don't think people are going to rush to my defense and say, "well, he was a good employee because he showed up for work on time and didn't miss deadlines." I doubt I would hear that.

My point is, why is Cheney's purported clean record with kids even at play here? What I see in Cheney is an overrated coach that has a history of aggression (John Calapari anyone?).

i was hoping one of the fine philly boys would have put this topic in their, why its great to be a philly fan

if it was coach K that did this, you dont think there would be a shit storm? hed probably be cut some slack since dukes never been found in violation (basketball wise) or even hinted that there have been anything smacking of even a hint of inpropriarity at the school

had it been coack knight, forget about it

First of all, the Clemson player was not about to score when Hayes grabbed(or basically punched him) in the throat. I've seen the clip a hundred times, the guy wasn't about to score. Hayes was one of the most respected coaches in college football history, he probably should have been fired. Same goes for Cheney. The guy has a screw loose. Going after Calipari was one thing but this is a lot more serious. He screwed up another players career by having one of his "goons" fuck him up. He can say sorry all he wants, he can't change the way that kids career ended. It's disgraceful and pretty demented for a college coach to do. And i also believe the race card is being used in reverse here. A lot of the black reporters are defending Cheney enough where the pressure is not gonna be enough to have him fired. I do think that if it was your "average" white coach he would have been fired. The fact that Cheney is a prominent black coach helps his cause tremendously. I think it sucks but sometimes the race card can work both ways. Fine, maybe he shouldn't be fired(although i think he should), but he should be suspended for the rest of this season and some of next season. he should go to anger management classes, he should have a press conference and apologize to everybody. He's a sick fuck basically

I think Cheney should be fired an dbanned from ever coaching again. This guy lost all respect and he's a complete idiot and jerk. He absolutely has NO class.

From ESPN Classic, perhaps a precedent for this story.

{Hayes' temper ultimately got the best of him, and he never had the chance to retire mellow. In the 1978 Gator Bowl, after a late Clemson interception sealed Ohio State's loss, Hayes erupted. He punched the Clemson defender who picked off the pass.

There was a firestorm of criticism across the country, and embarrassed university leaders were forced to take action. Hayes was fired the next day. He never coached another game}

cheney gets slack because he recruits philadelphia kids that most schools do not, and tries to grow them into good men first (what college sports used to be about), and basketball players second. he stopped actively recruiting the kids it takes to win years ago, and continually hopes he'll get a diamond in the rough around the temple area that will reenergize the program, but it hasn't happened yet. he and the kids are black, so the race issue will be intertwined.

should he be fired? i don't think he should. if he is, that's the end of the temple basketball program, and there's multi-millions of scholarship money invested in that (including my own), so that can't happen. him pulling himself out of the A10 tourney was a good move. we all know if he thought a kid's arm would get broken he wouldn't have done what he did. he made a horribly rash decision, but those calling for his head (especially those that don't understand what the temple program is about) are doing the same.

So are you saying that because he recruits inner city Philly kids that aren't necessarily blue-chippers gives him a free pass? What about if what he did was done by Steve Alford or Quin Snyder? Seriously, I'm not understanding what one has to do with the other.

First, the Hayes incident: I believe that the clemson player was forced out of bounds in front of Hayes. The clemson player got up and was (it appears) running his mouth to the Ohio State bench. Hayes lost it and struck him around the throat area.

I have always thought Cheney was odd. I looked at him like Coach Knight. When he went after Calipari in the press conference and said something to the affect that, "I will kill you." You have to be odd. Things like this happen in sports. People lose their cool. What he did is wrong. The same thing happens in hockey. With the "enforcers" the coach will put in. The same thing happens in baseball. When someone goes yard and trotts around the bases showing up the other team, he is going to get hit the next at bat. It happens. That doesn't exscuse him for being a jerk that lost his cool.

At least the clergymen from Philly don't kill their football players.

i'm not saying he gets a free pass, he's been suspended, and his reputation tarnished. read the rest of what you quoted.

First, why does peeps have to twist this incident into the city being classless?

About Temple's record in recent years, Electromatic called it shitty, their record is actually not all that bad over the last 5 years. It hasn't been great but they play arguable the toughest non-conference schedule in the nation every year. Add that to the fact that they don't get any big time recruits anymore and you can understand the average records. This year they are 14-11, in previous years they were 15-14, 18-16, 19-15, 24-13, 27-6. Not dominant by any means but far from shitty.....just wanted to clarify.

There's no excuse for what happened last week but I don't think he should be fired for it. John was wrong for ordering it, the player was wrong for taking it too far, the refs were wrong for not stepping in sooner. Chaney should eb out for the season and probably the some of next season. I'd also like to see him help Bryant out financially (which I expect will happen, unforced, as soon as Bryant is out of the NCAA). A nice gesture would also be for Chaney to make a contribution to St. Joes scholarship funds in Bryant's name.

Over the years I have learned, by being a fan of the program and various stories, that Chaney cares more about teaching the kids that come into the program about life, education and bettering themselves than basketball. He is very involved in the players lives during and after their careers and very involved in community services. He takes in more prop 48 kids than any major program that I know of, he is notorious for making sure that all his players are in class every day. Look at the turnaround on his teams year to year, there are alot of kids that he lets go every year because they aren't cutting it in school. I really respect him for that.

....oh, and I don't think for a second that any major coach would be fired over this incident. If this was a repeat offense I would think differently, this is the first time that anything like this has happened. (aside from the off the court incident with Calapari)

slapping his player in the face doesnt count? didnt coach knight get blasted for kicking his own son?

I'm not getting into a debate about this....I typed, in length, how I feel. Lets leave it at that.